this cd-r right here is an ok one for its brand but the rocket se cd-r is alot betterwith 8x read and 8x record it is an awesome one e-mail me at JeefSM@hotmail.com for more informantion on it but this one here is a little bit lower than it im sure its a pretty nice one and can do some nice stuff and works nicely but the rocket special edition is an awesome one if you ever get a cd-r buy the rocket SE! i mean this one heres 8x by 20x but i bet you 20x aint much different from 12x



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