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violence in irish music (Reply to this comment)
by schmidtter
hi everyone...i have this euro conflicts class and i have to report somethin about violence in european music..i was supposed to do reggae since it does have significant effects on british society but since it originated from jamaica im not quite sure if i can use that..can anyone help me to find something on the violence in irish music specifically in folk songs?i think it'd be very interesting since not a lot of people know it exists in folk unlike genres more associated with violence like rap/rock.id really appreciate your help..thanks!:)
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Jul 24 '03
1:48 am PDT
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Re: Ireland.... where all the wars are merry and the songs are sad... (Reply to this comment)
by dahzliing
sorry the last bit there. its far from over the songs are still hugely popular especially with young boys and i remember i had a music class we were singin the fields of athenry and the teacher nearly flipped cos we were singin the IRA one so its mostly older people that frown on it but i know from where i live there is still a lot of hate towards british and still things in the north. im not saying it shouldn't be over just pointing out something.
i loved that discussion i dunno how i found it but i love hip hop & i had compared the two but ya confirmed it.
oh and whats with this title "Ireland...where the wars are merry and the songs are sad..."
sorry?
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Aug 16 '02
1:39 pm PDT
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What an interesting discussion... (Reply to this comment)
by phoenixx
It put my outlook on things in an entirely new light. Being 1/4 Irish, I adore Irish music and heritage, and had never thought to reach out and compare cross cultural music as you both did. Thanks for the intriguing thoughts....
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Aug 12 '01
7:01 am PDT
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wow (Reply to this comment)
by Daniel_Rf
All I can really say is...wow.
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Aug 09 '01
4:50 pm PDT
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Really wonderful! (Reply to this comment)
by prettyinpink
What a great, provocative dialogue! Thanks much to both of you for sharing these ideas.
HUGE KUDOS also to both of you for collaborating and doing so quite well. Obviously we have a culture and website that honors the independent contributor. I admire your willingness to break out of that form and offer a different format here.
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Jul 11 '01
10:12 am PDT
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you guys are my heroes (Reply to this comment)
by sumo_rhino
Take no prisoners!
- sumo_rhino
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Jun 08 '01
12:30 pm PDT
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Another similarity between Hip Hop and Irish Music ... (Reply to this comment)
by Nathanael73
... is that both are borne out of cultures that have suffered a great deal of repression and attempts to silence their voices. The Irish sufferred at English hands for over 700 years and the African-Americans have suffered in many ways that we are all well-aware of. For the Irish, music has traditionally been a means for preserving and passing on culture, even if that culture includes violence.
Great review guys.
Cheers,
Nat O'Reilly
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Jun 06 '01
7:32 pm PDT
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:) (Reply to this comment)
by disartain
A lot of food for thought on this page. Great job.
Diane
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Jun 03 '01
6:14 pm PDT
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Damn Straight (Reply to this comment)
by repulsemonkey
This is an incredible, thought-provoking piece of work. I wish I could include all my reactions in a single comment, but you'd be here for days--so I'll just leave you with a huge thumbs up.
monkey
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Jun 02 '01
2:43 pm PDT
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A Fantastic Combination of ... (Reply to this comment)
by nylawgirl
an unusual format and an intriguing discussion of violence in music.
A great essay!
-- Cate
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May 31 '01
9:14 pm PDT
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:-) (Reply to this comment)
by deannajjones
This made me listen to "Whiskey in the Jar" in an entirely new frame of mind. Guy's out robbing people, his woman does him wrong, he kills someone, and sings the rest of the song from death row. Now that's what I call having the blues...lol. That said, good music is good music, and all of the swear words, vulgarity, and violence in the world won't turn crap into good music (and I'm not simply referring to hip hop, but all genres); and you can take a good song, make it bloody, offensive, or disgusting, and it will still be a good song. People simply need to teach their kids to think for themselves and not do everything that they hear in music. Good grief, do you think there was a rush of men wedding bow-wows when "Get an Ugly Woman to Marry You" was released? Besides, I have heard many positive, or just plain fun, messages in hip-hop as well, and certainly no more negative messages than you can find in your local country jukebox.
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May 31 '01
12:21 pm PDT
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by teddiec
Love the unique way you presented this-I agree with Kelly-required reading!
Ellen
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May 31 '01
10:16 am PDT
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Re: excellent+summary... (Reply to this comment)
by madtheory
Thanks for the idea and the assistance. I'm glad it worked out well. -mad
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May 31 '01
8:17 am PDT
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Ireland.... where all the wars are merry and the songs are sad... (Reply to this comment)
by platypus55
As an American weaned on big-band and West coast jazz, I got acquainted with Irish music while living in Ireland twenty years ago. As a musician, ANYthing was preferable to the awful top-40 of the early eighties, plus it was novel to me. WRT to song lyrics,
I don't want to hear over and over how life sucks and people are being evil to eachother, because I already know that. I prefer lyrics that put some unique artistic perspective on themes of drugs (booze) discrimination, hopelessness and murder, such as the poetry of Patrick Kavanagh.
In other words, in whatever musical genre, paint me a word picture that shows me a NEW way that life sucks.
And BTW some of those Irish songs did not get a "pass" back when they were hot and political. Singing the wearin o' the green or Kevin Barry in front of the wrong person could get you a ticket to the gallows. They're just considered quaint and harmless now because it's all over and done with.
Anyway, your review draws some very interesting and stimulating parallels and I really like the format.
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May 31 '01
6:44 am PDT
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Smeggin review, maddy :) (Reply to this comment)
by kris-kochanski
That was great! So flattered to see my name in there! I like your casual chat approach. Awesome review.
Risa
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May 30 '01
7:35 pm PDT
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AWESOME! (Reply to this comment)
by Freak369
Great way to tackle this subject - loved the 'conversation' approach. I have already forwarded the URL to several other people who will love this review.
Take a bow... ^V^ Freak ^V^
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May 30 '01
6:27 pm PDT
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This is outstanding ... (Reply to this comment)
by kellydeal
What a great look at two sides ... this should be required reading at this site...
kelly
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May 30 '01
6:23 pm PDT
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This was cool. (Reply to this comment)
by AngelaBar
A meeting of the musical minds of two great Epinionators-well done!
Too bad Epinions doesn't have a spot created just for this-where two or three people can get together and share an Epinion. I think it would be great fun.
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May 30 '01
2:21 pm PDT
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excellent summary... (Reply to this comment)
by jkkelley
...and framing of our discussion, mad. This was a discussion sufficiently eye-opening that it opened my mind not just to some new types of music, but to a new way of looking at a culture.
Also very much appreciate the plugs. I'll watch this comment section with strong interest.
jk
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May 30 '01
1:26 pm PDT
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good food for thought (Reply to this comment)
by nwinston
I'll have to look for parellels in "wee sing"
music to see if children are prepped to buy
music with these themes :-)
Nancy
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May 30 '01
12:39 pm PDT
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by JennJoy
Now if only we could all have a similar conversation...Excellent review mad!
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May 30 '01
12:31 pm PDT
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