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Wow, So indepth and informative. too bad that... (Reply to this comment)
by e_spectre
Your review really gave an incredibly detailed over-view of the history and progression of animation over the two countries. I am impressed in the detail you went back with, all the company rising and fallings @_@...
Although, it's hard to imagine North American comics ever making an intuitive step like Anime has. The style of animation itself is usually pretty goofy and childish at first glance. I can't see it growing out of a kiddy-appeasing/adult comedy/goofy state. Anime on the other hand can produce beautiful character artwork (and goofy stuff at the same time =P)Maybe I've just given up on 'comics' too early, but I just can't imagine it.
Things sound nice in US with Cartoon Network and all, but in Canada... you never see anything that isn't just mass-produced stuff made for kids like Sailormoon, Pokemon, and yes, Dragonball Z (It's got a nice idea and story, but it's dragged on FAR too long.. hundreds and hundreds of episodes? Ouch.) You don't see any thought-provoking hidden-philosophy anime aside from the stuff with the corny moral-of-the-day stuff seen in Pokemon now and then.
You can't catch Bebop, Trigun, or any of those other anime... and it's been tossed into a group with cartoons. Another toy for kids. It's not respected at all....
I hope we grow here soon too @_@..
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Feb 27 '03
1:44 pm PST
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Re: I+was+wondering (Refute to Article) (Reply to this comment)
by neilworms
I think I must be one of the few people in Epinions that reads their comments long after they have written their article. I hope this isn't too long.
This article is very interesting, it presents almost an opposite view to what I think. He is well researched on many subpoints but is lacking on his thesis. He researched details such as the origin of anime, but he hasn't seen enough of it to really know how diverse the medium is.
It seems as though that he was comparing a couple of episodes of Drag-on Ball Z (soon to be reviewed by me, rating: 1 star) which features very angular designs and atrocious animation and characterizations. This guy obviously hasn't seen Ghibli or Otomo. It is also apparent that he might have seen Ghost in the Shell, or another Oshii film, because he mentions how good the lighting in anime is. (This is strength of Oshii in my opinion). Oshii's films are hard to like for many people; my friend Patach hates every one I've shown him.
With regards to some of his comments about organic movement, it is obvious that he hasn't seen any work by Hayao Miyazaki, who presents organic, yet sometimes jerky movement (due to budget constraints). He likes to keep things moving in the background (small animals mostly insects) but doesn't make his characters move too much (more on that next paragraph).
This guy stated what he liked about the style of American animation to be exactly what I hate about it (particularly with more recent Disney features) where characters can't stop moving for more than 2 or 3 seconds and often look ridiculous. Emotions while wide, are over done often idiotically. With horrible character designs (I am talking about Disney and clones not classic MGM/WB/Fletcher shorts, and a possible exception with the designs in Atlantis) and too much full animation, Disney does not cut it. Akira is a good example of full animation used correctly, not overdone.
I like some classic American animation, particularly Tex Avery and Chuck Jones. (Definitely not Bob Clampett or Harman-Ising; too Disney) Those guys were brilliant and I wish it was more them, (particularly Avery) that set the future tone for American animation, than Disney. Another odd point is that Chuck Jones's designs were often angular and very "liney" yet were still able to convey emotions very well.
Thanks for the article, I might post a comment on that one linking it to this one.
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Jul 28 '01
11:26 pm PDT
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I was wondering (Reply to this comment)
by Kandih
Loved your articles. As I was trying to find out what "full animation" is, I found this:
http://digitalessays.com/essays/misc/misc_0001.shtml
I wondered if you had seen it, and if your own research backs up the stuff he has to say. (I don't agree with him at all.)
Kandi
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Jul 20 '01
9:36 am PDT
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As with your first installment... (Reply to this comment)
by sleestakk
...I enjoyed this one very much, particularly the insight on Disney's pathetic (non)promotion of Studio Ghibli films. I like that fact that you are also very opinionated here besides just laying on loads of details. I appreciate that.
Great work here!
-stk-
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Jun 16 '01
9:19 pm PDT
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Wow! (Reply to this comment)
by Patach
Wow! Thanks for the pimpage, neil ;)
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Jun 15 '01
9:57 pm PDT
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