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Yes, forsooth (Reply to this comment)
by Lobstergirl
A fascinating essay, although I cannot fathom how you overlooked Mrs. Doubtfire, a biopic of that eponymous cross-dresser. Check it out!
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Jul 05 '01
3:14 pm PDT
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Re: We+both+read+Zola's+treatise+and+watched+this+movie.... (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Nick,
Excited though everyone appears to be about the new _MR_, I just can't bring myself to go to the theater for the sake of a musical, so I've already made up my mind to rent it. I'll definitely put the classic on my queue right next to the updated version. Thanks for the read and the comment.
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Jul 03 '01
12:15 pm PDT
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We both read Zola's treatise and watched this movie.... (Reply to this comment)
by NFP
..as part of an ethics class I took a long time ago on a planet far, far away.
I remember noting one more irony at that time -- that within two generations of this scandal, much of occupied France supported Petain's Vichy Government that collaborated with the Germans and gave plausibility and deniability to Nazi anti-semitic actions during WW II. Goes to the point you make about repeating mistakes and forgetting lessons never really learned.
As to your laudable list, I cannot disagree with any of the selections, especially the Ghandi choice. Since you brought up Ferrer, might I suggest one other bio-pic of his worth noting -- the ORIGINAL Moulin Rouge, with Ferrer as the dwarf-sized genius Toulouse Lautrec -- notable for his performance on his knees.
cheers,
nick
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Jul 02 '01
12:29 pm PDT
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Re: Your+review (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Thanks for the story (with which I was unfamiliar). I'm almost more distressed by your inability to get P's name past the filter than I am by the story itself, though. What sort of bizarre world is it when you can't even type an artist's name because it contains a word that one person out of 200 million might conceivably object to?
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Jul 01 '01
7:29 pm PDT
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Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Thanks for appreciating my rage-masked-as-review. Articulating it made me feel better, but sometimes I can't help wondering whether there's something we might actually be able to do to convince humans to pay attention to themselves and their past.
Planet of the Apes, here we ARE.
Thanks for the comment.
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Jul 01 '01
7:27 pm PDT
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Re: you+did+it+again! (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
There's nothing hypocritical about it. Gandhi himself appeared to me in a dream to tell me to flog those who refused to believe that he appeared to me in a dream.
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Jul 01 '01
7:23 pm PDT
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Re: I+am+glad+you+found+a+way+to+work+in+this+review (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Taking the time to write about the film was a pleasure, but adding that tedious top 10 list was a bit a chore. I only hope no one drops by to try to argue with me about the order in which I've rated bios (or one I've left out). Thanks for the comment.
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Jul 01 '01
7:21 pm PDT
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Re: Arg (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Well, I suppose if its our selfishness rather than our laziness, then there's no point in hoping that films like this can actually make a difference. But it was still fun to watch. And since we're all convinced that the best thing we can hope for from a leader is a $300 rebate, then I guess there's reason to suppose that we're too busy wanting to think about ourselves to care what history might have to teach us.
Ar-hic-g!
I have drunken pirate fantasies.
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Jul 01 '01
7:19 pm PDT
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Re: Jeezum, (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Or, considering the haste with which I threw together my top 10 list, perhaps you really got a dose of worthlessness partnered up with a fairly straightforward rant. But somehow, believe you me, this is helping someone to make a purchasing decision.
That much is obvious.
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Jul 01 '01
7:13 pm PDT
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Re: ~~ (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
You're not mocking Gandhi are you? To say something against the movie is to deserve death, but if you're insinuating anything negative about the man himself, you'll have to be tortured and then killed.
I hope we understand one another.
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Jul 01 '01
7:11 pm PDT
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Re: Mike... (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Hey now,
I'm trying to get my positive outlook all put together. Mrs. Sloucho has even commented on the spring in my step. And now you're telling me we're scorpions? I'll have you know I'm a Scorpio. Does that make me better or worse off than the rest of you?
In any case, I'll be over here, sullen.
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Jul 01 '01
7:10 pm PDT
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Re: Beethoven? (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
You must have been too distracted by your surprise to notice that I included Patton. And as prone as I am to emotional ranting, I don't think my fondness for Ludwig V. should come as any surprise. But thanks for the comment.
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Jul 01 '01
7:08 pm PDT
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Re: Damn! (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Peter,
I'm sure that even if you had ended up wagging your finger, I would have had no choice but to VH the comment, as it would doubtless be impeccably reasoned and articulated. Thanks for the comment.
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Jul 01 '01
7:03 pm PDT
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Re: The+Bigger+Picture (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Man, why do you have to get me thinking about dubya? I want to make a point about how we don't pay attention to the period before WWI, and you reply by reminding me of a man who can't the names of the supreme court justices of TODAY.
Oy.
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Jul 01 '01
7:01 pm PDT
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Re: Excellent+review... (Reply to this comment)
by Sloucho
Thanks for noticing. I aim to please the almighty powers that be.
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Jul 01 '01
6:59 pm PDT
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Your review (Reply to this comment)
by ifif1938
is brilliantly written about a difficult subject...
Another instance about Dreyfus affair. I recently saw on a special A&E presentation about The Impressionists,is that Edgar Degas became so anti-semitic during that period, he stopped talking to one of his best friends ,Pis*arro because he was Jewish.And Pis*arro stayed indoors since he didn't want to be ridiculed on the streets. His paintings during that time are all painted from the vantage point of looking down and out onto the Parisian streets from his windows.
Thanks for this great review
:)
Barbara
would you believe, the name Pi*sarro was not allowed to be written by epinion censors??
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Jul 01 '01
5:01 pm PDT
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by mangiotto
So of course I have to reference, like some bloated self-important jackhole (hey, I resemble that!), Yeats's "Second Coming" with blah blah, best being passive, blah blah, worst full of passionate intensity and, here's the clincher - some rough beast SLOUCHO-ING towards Bethlemen! Accident? I think now.
I, too, was reminded of a quote by Edward Johnston:
If you don't know history, you don't know anything.
Cheers for a heartbreaking treatise on frustration and carefully articulated rage masquerading as a brilliant film review (an extension of your Paths to Glory review?) - and thanks, too, for giving props to Johnny Depp, Tim Burton, and Ed Wood.
Planet of the Apes, here we come.
Walter
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Jul 01 '01
4:40 pm PDT
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you did it again! (Reply to this comment)
by jankp
You put me through the gamut of emotions. Comments were also entertaining, especially, I think, Peter's who pointed out your hypocritical comment about people who don't like Gandhi!
Jan
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Jul 01 '01
11:29 am PDT
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I am glad you found a way to work in this review (Reply to this comment)
by crankybeer
It sounds like a movie I would benefit from seeing ("Like" may be a little to upbeat a word). The topic of holocaust related issues in ever-present in our household, as my husband is a child of survivors. I don't know if he's seen this, but I imagine it would interest him greatly.
Thanks for taking the time to review the movie.
-Debby (crankybeer)
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Jul 01 '01
6:58 am PDT
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Arg (Reply to this comment)
by Vormancian
Pay no attention to the title, I just like to say Arg. I have pirate fantasies. Did I mention it's late?
But, I digress. Well, I suppose that's not true as I haven't actually gressed yet, but......
Liked your review, and your thoughts on the world. I don't really get the impression that history is destined to repeat itself because people do not 'learn history's lessons', but because people couldn't care less.
Now, it's late and my brain is sort of running in standby mode, so I can't remember the exact quote or even who said it (I will be embarrased in the morning), but there is that famous quote which many people will make fun of me for not remembering that goes something like:
When the Nazis came for the Jews I did not stand up for them because I was not a Jew. When the Nazis came for (ummm some other group the Nazis came for) I did not stand up for them because I was not a errr whoozits. And ummm on and on, and then finally; and when the Nazis came for me there was no one left to stand up for me.
I think that pretty much sums up how history repeats itself in this way. It isn't that people don't know the lessons, they just don't care unless it has some direct 'tag' on them. That guy knew he was supposed to stand up for the Jews and the Whoozits, he just didn't.
Welcome to the cobwebs of my mind.
Cheers!
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Jul 01 '01
2:07 am PDT
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Jeezum, (Reply to this comment)
by repulsemonkey
I feel like I just got a double-shot of Slouchy wisdom, all for one low low price.
monkey
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Jun 30 '01
9:05 pm PDT
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~~ (Reply to this comment)
by Sordid-1
I see that the film adaptation of Gandhi's life has touched you in a profound way, as you have clearly grasped his philosophy of passive resistance and pacifism in general, except for the part where you state anyone who doesn't agree should be shot, but you're on the right track, Mike!
That cracked me up,
Xtra Sordid-1
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Jun 30 '01
8:15 pm PDT
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Mike... (Reply to this comment)
by MrsNormanMaine
Have you read Gore Vidal's 'Julian'? I just love it when he takes on the moralists of history...
There will always be genocide and other atrocities because, like the scorpion, it's in our nature. They usually come about because good people don't act letting bad people fill the vacuum.
MNM
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Jun 30 '01
6:34 pm PDT
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Beethoven? (Reply to this comment)
by Jiahong
I thought with your touch was lighter, more Mozartian than the thundering of lovely, lovely Ludwig. And as entertaining as "Amadeus" is, as biography it is nonsense.
I think that if you really preferred Beethoven to Mozart, you'd have included "Patton" on your list!
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Jun 30 '01
4:32 pm PDT
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The Bigger Picture (Reply to this comment)
by Fez_Monkey
Bravo.
The manner in which you framed I Accuse in the larger picture of history and inhuman crimes was spectacular. And it resonates so well with the (finally) picture of some of our own heinous individuals, such as the bloodstained Kissinger and Mc Namara.
Sadly, although there is ample ability to study the crimes of the past, there are far too few serious students (i.e. Gee-Dub).
Ah well ... I think I will go play with my dogs now, to make myself feel a bit better.
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Jun 30 '01
11:45 am PDT
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Excellent review... (Reply to this comment)
by diverpam
and a very creative way to play by the rules.
Pam
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Jun 30 '01
10:05 am PDT
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