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Licensed to Kill
by McKinley926 | Jul 14 '01
This question has been continually asked since the 1920's... So you don't want your kids to hear offensive music? They're going to hear it somewhere!Return to opinion
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Hey we miss you here! (Reply to this comment)
by dantesguide
I have dropped you from my WoT because it looks like you've quit the site. If you decide to return let me know. I will happily put you back. Take care of yourself, and good luck in your endevours.
dantesguide
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Nov 19 '01
11:49 pm PST
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Thought-Provoking Issue (Reply to this comment)
by DAnneC
. . . and a balanced, thoughtful discussion. The haunting truth is, sometimes there simply are no easy answers. Sometimes all apparent choices are wrong.
Thanks for the inviting others to struggle with this issue.
Regards,
DAnneC
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Aug 05 '01
10:42 am PDT
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Re: Good+Article... (Reply to this comment)
by McKinley926
I feel that SOME of your thoughts are justified but some are out of line.
I think that we both agree in saying that censorship is wrong... Period! However, the video footage is not what started the riots that you refer to. The riots were started from the policemen being released on all charges and returned to active duty. Just because those police men did not "hurt" King, the malicious intent was there and those police men lost their cool. You seem to be hung up on King being "doped" up. Why? My article uses that as an example. My personal opinion on the Rodney King issue was not even pertinent to my article.
However, the point is that censorship is wrong. And that I am always right! J/k :-)
I truly appreciate the comments.
Take care
McKinley
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Jul 25 '01
3:08 pm PDT
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Good Article... (Reply to this comment)
by coldsteel7,  in Music
But I think your jump between Ice-T and the Rodney King beating is ridiculous. In fact, the video footage WAS censored, which is why it appeared that the police senselessly beat this man. In truth, the incident followed a lengthy car chase through neighborhoods at speeds exceeding 100 MPH. Rodney King did not respond to several police commands, and attempted to assault one of the police officers (in the "uncensored" version) After being hit with a tazer, he still attempted to get up. Bottom line...this man was on a complex drug, like PCP or LSD that cannot be detected without expensive testing (or testing that requires a court order, such as a spinal tap). If anyone doubts that King was on PCP, try getting hit with a tazer and see if you can get up.
Also, there were other passengers in King's car that DID NOT get beat. I wonder why? Maybe because they didn't waste their days listening to cop-killer lyrics, thinking they should fight the police. No, instead they complied with Police, and didn't even get a scratch.
Coincidentally, why was Rodney King treated and released if his beating were so severe? From my view of the video, most of the blows were ineffective, because the Police did not properly use their batons.
Censorship is wrong...especially when it is used to incite an entire city to riot. Did they destroy Madonna or Duran Duran's neighborhood? No, they were destroying their own.
Was this a built up outlet, looking for a precipitating event to occur. Probably so. However, the media facilitated it by their lack of responsible reporting and sensationalist journalism.
Peace.
John.
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Jul 25 '01
5:05 am PDT
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Keep speech free (Reply to this comment)
by Peggy038
I read this review a couple of days ago, but my computer decided to take a few days off as I was writing my comment.
So here goes. I think responsible parents can raise responsible kids. I think that in spite of what they hear on the radio, television, etc. If you teach your children right from wrong they will ultimately make the right choices.
Even if all music was banned kids can still get "ideas". Kids will improvise if they can't get input for stupid ideas from music or movies, believe me.
They still might hear something on the news or see a clip of some kid trying to get his stupid stunt on the MTV show, Jackass. (amazing the news shows all replayed that clip over and over again saying how bad it was of MTV to have a show that influenced children to send in a clip to get themselves on TV ..yet MTV is probably one of the few shows that didn't play this clip at all..they refuse unauthorized material)
But bottom line is if you try to ban someones free speech today, it may be your own free speech that is banned tomorrow.
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Jul 17 '01
2:28 pm PDT
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Re: True... (Reply to this comment)
by McKinley926
I agree with you that's why I noted that I was torn on the issue. But as you said, it takes a village to raise a child and one entity (music) should only have a small impact on a child's character. That is, if the rest of the village is contributing properly. If the "village" consists of mostly music and TV and not parents or role models, then of course those negative media are going to have more of an impact.
Thanks for the input and take care
McKinley
P.S. I work for the Boys and Girls Club so I too and trying to be part of the village to raise our youth.
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Jul 15 '01
8:57 am PDT
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re: yes and no (Reply to this comment)
by cntaur5, in Music
First let me say, that you are an excellent writer, your insight is refreshing. I agree in not blaming the artist, however, I'm also for the old proverb, it takes a village to raise a child.
But hey, I'm just a bleeding heart social worker trying to save the whole world.
cntaur5
Keep writing well!
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Jul 15 '01
8:46 am PDT
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Indeed, let's talk Cop Killer (Reply to this comment)
by CPXB
What strikes me as more interesting than Ice-T putting out Copkiller, or the furor about it, is that after the allegations made by T, and other LA area rappers, saying that the cops in LA were brutal, murderous thugs deserving of revolutionary action (including death) is . . . well, it's justified. And it has also been ignored in the context of particularly LA rap.
The Rampart Division anti-gang unit has admitted to doing everything from fixing hundreds of cases to literally murder -- all of this directed at, primarily, inner city black and Latino young men living in LA. The Rampart Division -- not to mention other folks, like the literally neo-Nazi elements (like Rampart, but less well known, this is not controversial; it is a matter of court record and numerous admissions) of the Long Beach sheriff's department, is the environment that the LA rappers grew up in. It is a matter of record that young men of color in Los Angeles were harrassed, beaten, illegally imprisoned and murdered by intensely corrupt police departments. For decades, this corruption was ignored by the city of Los Angeles, not to mention the government of California and the United States. Mind you, it was an open secret. In the last eighties, Sean Penn and Robert Duvall made a movie, Colors, about this very issue, not to mention the Watts Riots, Rodney King riots and other upswellings of anger against the treatment of black Los Angelenos by, primarily, the city government.
At least as disgusting is the fact that these Rampart Division criminals are getting slaps on the wrist for their years of criminal activity. They're not going to see but a fraction of the time that their lies put over a thousand other people in prison for.
Ice-T was right about Copkiller. The cops that he was familiar with were deserving of an uprising far moreso than the British the Anglo Americans overthrew in 1776 to 1780.
I think that's relevant to the discussion.
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Jul 15 '01
6:54 am PDT
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I stand firmly behind the First Amendment ... (Reply to this comment)
by AdaDavis
and against censorship. That being said ... with freedom comes responsibility. If artists, musicians, filmmakers, etc. have complete freedom to make what they want, then they have some responsibility for the result. It really burns me up when the makers of slasher movies and cop-killer songs shrug off any moral responsibility for the kids who follow their lead. They want it both ways - complete freedom; no responsibility.
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Jul 14 '01
2:22 pm PDT
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Exactly... (Reply to this comment)
by Singforeva
Wow I agree with you. I think often in society the reason music is the way it is, is to share the struggles of growing up. I always felt the news was one of the most vulgar of all TV-with the negative image they portray of people-by showing the murders and things more often the good samaritans. I feel music is only self-expression of one's own life and that around them, and some may not understand and take it offensively. Many parents buy these albums for their children without taking the time to describe the actual issues. This is more of the problem. I watched something on TV about Eminem and the organization GLADD...but I think he comes out in the world without a care of his image and doesn't sugarcoat his songs. I think people can respect his bravery to talk about real life issues, even though maybe offensive, out in the open. Instead of the sweet-as-candy girls and boy bands (which I love as well), talking about love and things like that-Rappers and others talk about important issues. I know of many who also do this without aggression, but sometimes that harsh language helps get the word across. Songs like "Free Your Mind" by En Vogue and "Rhythm Nation" by Miss Janet-say this without being parentally advised. I think the issue is how we bring up our children and how to deal with the world with or without music like this, because it's not like the problems they discuss will completely disappear. They can only be prevented and lowered. Thank you and great job! :-) Connie
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Jul 14 '01
1:10 pm PDT
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Great review! (Reply to this comment)
by momsworkinlate
This is one of the best (if not best) review I have read on Epinions regarding this topic. You did a very find job with this article and I agree totally with what you have said.
Keep up the great work!
Laurie
Momsworkinlate
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Jul 14 '01
12:59 pm PDT
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Well said... (Reply to this comment)
by roynyr
censorship = trouble, it's amazing how PC our society has become.
roynyr
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Jul 14 '01
12:43 pm PDT
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An artist may not have these responsabilities... (Reply to this comment)
by dequebec
...but it is really unfortunate that they don't see the value in positivity as opposed to destruction. It is not a new or creative idea to preach intolerance. How innovative it would be for an artist to think of a way to contribute to peace.
Jennifer
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Jul 14 '01
11:49 am PDT
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Well Said! (Reply to this comment)
by Bryan_Carey
Responsibility belongs on the individual, not the artist! We can't go around blaming someone else whenever something goes wrong. An artist can, and should, be able to express himself in any manner he/she chooses, without worrying that somebody might slap him/her with a lawsuit.
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Jul 14 '01
11:35 am PDT
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