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Granted, one search in and one search out (Reply to this comment)
by sweaver
should be sufficient. But imagine how the soldiers on that base feel. Like they have targets on their chests, maybe? They should. Do they know you? How well do any of us really know anyone? How many times have a murderer's neighbors said, "He seemed nice, kept to himself," or something similar? I think the reaction is to your perceived whining in a time of great crisis.
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Oct 12 '01
10:51 am PDT
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Re: Cry Me A River (Reply to this comment)
by alan523
I think that you were a bit harsh on my mother. She was not crying you a river. She is searched like this on a daily basis and it is not herself that she is worrying about. I have seen her searched and touched in places that I am not even sure that my father would dare go.
My mother worries about how this scares my younger brothers and sisters. They cry when it is time to go to school and have even gotten physically ill.
You try bringing your young children to school and have a gun pointed at you and see if this does not frustrait you some.
My mother lost sleep over these events and by no means takes them lightly. She even stops me from getting so mad when she and I and my younger brothers and sisters are searched. But, come on once in and once out is plenty. The rest is just plain old crazy.
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Sep 30 '01
12:11 pm PDT
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Re: I think (Reply to this comment)
by roxymarie
Ok lets try this a different way. How many civilians bring their kids to school on the base? Lets say 50 for the sake of this exercise. Those 50 people had to show the military authorities the same paperwork you did in order to get clearance to be there in the first place I would assume. Now lets talk about what that paperwork is. Was it an FBI background search? the kind you get when your in the military and attempting to get a sensitive material clearance? Where you fill out a multipage document about your entire life and then agents go and research that information, talk to your parents, friends, hell elementary school classmates. Or was it something superficial, like verifying you live someplace etc?
Do you know every single other parent that drops off their kids? Do you know everything about them, where their sensitivities lie? What they believe in? Who their friends are? Did the paperwork you got clearance from take into account all of that? Your argument or point is that because you have this "clearance" (which btw isnt really a clearance in the strictest sense of the word because its the military and they are not bound by civilian law they are bound by their own laws) and that the MP sees you dropping off your kids everyday for months or years that you shouldnt be susceptible to this degree of searchs. So by the same token neither should the other 50 parents that filled out the same paperwork and have been dropping off their kids for the same amount of time too.
Are you that secure in the knowledge of everyone of those other parents? I mean so secure that your going to risk your childrens life on it, because in essence thats what you want. You want to be able to go through the gate with more ease, well if you can that means someone else can too.
The people that did this horrid thing, some lived in this country for years, blended in became part of their communities, appeared normal everyday want a better life human beings. There are still people living here that helped them. Living what seem like normal lives, and heck that doesn't even take into consideration our own home grown freaks of nature that perhaps want to use this horrid event as a way to further their own dark agenda and blame it on someone else. My god for days after the pentagon crash the capital was over run with bomb threats from crack pots (how sick is that?).
So I guess my point in all this is: Is your knowledge of the people that go in and out of this military base everyday so extensive that your willing to risk your children's life on it? If not, then the next time your "unlucky" and get the full search don't think of it as gosh he sees me everyday why do I have to put up with this think of it as he sees your beautiful kindergarten's innocent joyful eyes and he's desperately trying everything he can to ensure he continues to see them everyday.
Respectfully
Roxanne
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Sep 30 '01
4:55 am PDT
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Re: I think (Reply to this comment)
by melllyn
I believe the reason you are being subjected to such searches, despite "having the proper clearances" and the MP's knowing you, is because the terrorists who did this were living among us...some of them for years...and who knows how many more there are. Oh, and there are as many white skinned people who hate our government as any other color...just ask the people of Oklahoma City. Actually, I was shocked that security was not permanently heightened after the OC bombing.
Personally, being one who teaches at a school that is a mere three minutes from a nuclear plant and lives a short twenty minutes away, I don't think the new security is enough.
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Sep 29 '01
10:46 pm PDT
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I think (Reply to this comment)
by Debbietipton
that I need some help here. I guess that I am not making my point. I am very happy that my children are protected and I believe I commented to such.
The thing that I do not understand is the daily searches and the degree of the searches when you have clearance to be on base.
We had to bring in all of our paper work and be approved to be there in the first place. It is the same MP's checking the same people everyday. They know who we are, what are business is, and
that we have clearence to be there.
Can someone help me figure out how to put that in better words.
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Sep 29 '01
8:08 pm PDT
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Mixed emotions (Reply to this comment)
by ggrimes1221
Debbie I gave this review a VH because I feel it was well written. I don't rate reviews based on personal feeling whether I agree or disagree with what you write. I think you stated your points well. I will say I can't agree with everything you wrote, but that should not effect my ratings. My son goes to public school and there have not been any safety precautions installed since the Sept. 11th tragedy. I wouldn't mind a few at all. I'm not familiar with the "open base" of military bases so I can't comment on that. I can see your frustrations as being searched every morning that too would frustrate me, but I feel if you are leaving your children there for the day, you would feel more comfortable knowing they were safe. I don't have that assurance every morning when I leave my son at school.
GG
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Sep 29 '01
7:28 pm PDT
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Question (Reply to this comment)
by jozaff
Aren't you happy that your children will be safer?
I mean, there is no real reason to protect our troops and equipment if it will cause you any kind of delay; but your own kids...?
Joe
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Sep 29 '01
5:09 pm PDT
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Cry Me A River (Reply to this comment)
by PhoenixFlight
Madam, you did not give away your rights as the title of your opinion implies, they were taken from you after you were fortunate enough to have them in the first place. America is the only country I know of that has what you term ‘Open Bases’ that are or were a common occurrence before the events of September 11, 2001.
This common practice has jeopardized the lives of America’s soldiers for years in my opinion and it has taken the tragedy of the WTC attack for the government to see this. I too have had access to military bases with a simple sticker in the window of my car only instead of feeling “better knowing that the base was a little more secure--yet some of our freedoms were taken away,” I always felt as if the base was vulnerable to any type of attack.
Rest assured that one day in the future you will once again be able to drive onto the base with a short glance, friendly smile and a wave through the gate from the guard. Driving past Camp Pendleton in southern California daily I see your dilemma as well as see security already returning to pre-WTC levels in some areas. Policies will return to normal until the next catastrophe.
Sorry if I seem a little harsh but reading your opinion did little more than irritate me. Mostly it was this line: “Everyone was unlucky today.”
Madam, you are lucky not to have worked in the WTC and perish that day.
You are lucky to be alive
You are lucky to be able to have seven children.
You are lucky to live in a country that allows the children of civilian employees the opportunity for education.
You are lucky to be an American.
I read this sniveling drivel and rated it NOT HELPFUL due to subject material verses subject matter.
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Sep 29 '01
3:05 pm PDT
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Better be safe than SORRY! (Reply to this comment)
by viper1963
I am a frequent business traveller and I welcome the tight security at the airport. Yes, it is a major hassle to get to the airport 3 hours before your flight BUT I much rather have each and every passenger searched and re-searched to make sure NO terrorists are on baord the plane.
Military bases (I was formerly a military brat) must be even more stringent on security. I always complained when I go onto various bases of the ease of entry.
It is the sign of the times and we must take action now or more lives will be lost. We lost 6,000 innocent lives at the World Trade Center, Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. I do not want to see another innocent life destroyed because our security wasn't up to par.
Steve
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Sep 29 '01
10:02 am PDT
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I will have to give you (Reply to this comment)
by roxymarie
a VH on this because its written well, but this piece disturbs me. I've tired to look at it several ways. First that you were just whining because of your inconvenience, but that didnt feel quite right. Then I tryed to look at it as if you were attempting to make a point about how your life has changed because of the horrible events of a few weeks ago and wondering if these changes are permanent.
In both instances I still came up with finding myself disturbed at your piece.
"Today, we left to bring my daughter to kindergarten--not knowing if we were going to be lucky, unlucky, or really unlucky--we left at 10:45 for classes that would not start until 12:00. Finally we arrived at school at 1:00. Everyone was unlucky today"
I think its that paragraph that really set my spine straight. My god almost 7,000 people died, thousands of children have to go through life without a parent or in some cases two, and your Unlucky because your car got searched? I'm almost positive any one of the families that have lost someone would give their eyeteeth to be as unlucky as you, merely inconvenienced by people attempting to keep your children safe.
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh I really don't mean it to, but I lost friends in the pentagon crash and well its still to fresh for me to be able to antiseptically look at people's freedom concerns.
Respectfully
Roxanne
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Sep 29 '01
8:46 am PDT
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