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Recommendation - Save yourself $350 - Worst Ever (Reply to this comment)
by jjjisme333
I was frustrated as most folks must be with the planned obsolesence of new coil mattresses. 7 years is supposedly an honest assessment but my experience in the last 6 years is 4 years is the real expiration. I weight 140 lbs and my husband 200. We aren't extra heavy people. Frustrated with 4 year life cycles and a very bad back, I made the leap to a sleep number. Read the reviews, vasilated over whether to risk the money, (sleep number was extremely clear and fair for that matter in telling me the overall cost to try and return). If you have a bad back you know that $300 is a gamble worth taking in the hopes of mitigating the daily pain. Not to get off topic but the profit margin on these beds must be astronomical. It is as cheaply made as other say. I didn't have a leak, I didn't experience the "hole" in the middle, didn't have a problem with installation crew, etc. etc. All good. I'm one week in. I've tried settings from 10 to 100. I AM IN PAIN. I find 100 is the least pain and how anyone uses anything less confuses me but to each his own. It is important to note that this is the very first review I have ever written. Signed up specifically to warn people as I was warned in other reviews. It appears to work for some based on the reviews but I am truly puzzled as it is by far the worst sleep experience I have ever had. I dread going to bed. My modeli8 King with base at a cost of $3449.98 before tax and $169.99 for delivery and setup. So I am about to call to have it picked up after 7 days and pay the $200 for pickup and be GLAD to be rid of it. I intend to buy a new coil mattress with the understanding that it will expire and sag at the 4 year mark. I will no longer waste money on a new box spring so the fabric nobody sees matches. In addition, since I have taken the time to post this, I will also leverage it to write my personal experience on Temperpedic in the appropriate forum. To each his own but this experience was so significant, I was moved to action to help others decide. Good luck fellow bad back friends!!!
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Jan 26 '12
6:59 am PST
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Tossing/Turning New Mattress (Reply to this comment)
by jlb276
I just recently purchased a queen size bed with 416 coils, with a size 13 coil gauge, 10"border height. This does not meet with your standards. I've had it for less than a week and I've been tossing & turning a bit with some continued back pain. I didn't know all of this information on coils - unfortunately. My previous bed was about 15 years old & started to give me back pain. Is this a transition period?
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Apr 13 '11
3:22 pm PDT
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This was EXTREMELY helpful. (Reply to this comment)
by nanasharon55
This was the most concise, illuminating article I've read on what to consider when buying a mattress. Would like your input as I'm preparing to buy yet another new mattress. First was pillowtop that caved in, second was a tempupedic thats uncomfortable. Hope this next once lasts til I'm buried! Thanks for any assistance. My email is: magic@southwind.net
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Dec 09 '10
9:43 am PST
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Just Say NO to Stearns and Foster (Reply to this comment)
by kmaverikaz
I work at a major hospital in the Surgical Department with a RN in the PACU and she purchased a S&F mattress less than six months ago and it is already sagging due to LOW COIL COUNT. A customer service rep inspected the mattress; confirmed it was sagging, however, not severe enough to meet the criteria necessary to warranty the mattress and replace it. Note: she is 5'4" and weighs 115lbs and sleeps alone. Great $3000 investment. I am getting ready to replace a 17 year old Spring Air mattress that has been an outstanding product and will only consider a Serta!
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Oct 17 '10
9:14 pm PDT
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Foam (Reply to this comment)
by sethr
To be 100% clear to buy a coil bed is a thing of the past. The wave of the future is foam. Not going to say a name but many good brands in the 5 "S's" have great foam. They will last longer and you will like them over a period of time. 20 year warranty over 10. Please Find my soon to be posted What should you buy 101 By Sethr
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Mar 29 '10
1:40 pm PDT
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Re: Balony!!! (Reply to this comment)
by twickle_purple
Ah yes, Stearns & Foster. I am on one right now and looking forward to its replacement more and more everyday. It cost me well over $6000 and began to sag within 12 months, not enough to be recognized in their eyes but to human eyes and our sore bodies there it was the beginning of the end. Now my little dogs roll into me if I move because the thing is so steeply sloped. My husband and I sleep on the out edges so avoid the slant. The most expensive mass market? Regrettably, yes. Best in the business? Certainly not, not by a any stretch of the imagination. I am buying an organic latex on an adjustable frame -- now that is gong to be awesome!
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Mar 21 '10
11:34 pm PDT
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OK, now what? (Reply to this comment)
by viperdriver
Seems like good info; but how do you get the specs? I have yet to find a brick and mortar store where the salesmen provide this information; maybe number of coils, but never the gauge or temper or turns. WHAT MATTRESSES, THE BRAND AND THE MODEL, HAVE WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR? WHY CAN'T SOMEONE JUST NAME THEM?
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Mar 13 '10
6:04 pm PST
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How do I email you> (Reply to this comment)
by elephant3823
How do I email you? Also can you recommend any particular brand of mattress. Need full size since small apartment.
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Dec 13 '09
7:37 am PST
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Balony!!! (Reply to this comment)
by gauravnayyar
Obviously, the man does not have a clue about coils and their count works. The most prestigious name brand in the mattress industry is Sterns and Foster and have only 504 double offset coils in Queen size. However, they are 12.75 gauge wire which is the heaviest in the industry as off this point. 2 years of selling mattresses and he thinks he knows it all. Reminds me of a guy who thinks eopinions is the bathroom wall and he can pick up the marker and write any nasty comment about any product. No credibility to whatever he says. Go to your local The Brick and talk to someone who does this for a living.
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Feb 01 '09
9:38 pm PST
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which mattress should I get for An Adjustable Base (Reply to this comment)
by sleepnessnny
Hi -u REALLy sound like you know mattresses, and I just purchased two twin XL L&P adjustable bases becuase i've had stomach surgery do to cancer and i really have a rough time laying flat, i have pressure point, u name it. I used to love being a side sleeper and thats kinda tough due to a hernia now, anyway i HATE memory or visco, (hot Flashes,lol) so my question is- Which kind of coil mattress can i get that will work well with these bases -i dont care if it doesnt last 20 year, for God's sake- what does? I just want comfort NOW, and i need support in the lumbar region, but no hardness in my neck and upper back, maybe a zoned synthetic latex, (no smell) I would realllllly appreciate a reply, thanks soo much, SleeplessNnY
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Apr 03 '08
7:22 am PDT
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Re: "Check the out via my profile." I did. Can't find link. (Reply to this comment)
by eh2zed
I apologize Marcy. When I wrote the article I had linked to usmattress.com. I no longer wish to affiliate myself with them so I changed my favourite site link to my own site. Sorry about that.
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Feb 19 '08
2:35 am PST
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"Check the out via my profile." I did. Can't find link. (Reply to this comment)
by maryc64
You have a link to your favorite site.
This is what is posted,
http://www.inkelowna.com/
Where in your profile is the link to such mattresses listed?
Thanks,
Mary
Hey! Look at your stats:
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Feb 18 '08
3:16 pm PST
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Help on the Serta (Reply to this comment)
by normadora
I have had both the memory and latex foam matresses. After about three years they get very uncomfortable. I just happend to be by a Big Lots and they have the Serta Perfect Sleeper Danford Eurotop and the Courtlant Eurotop Plush. I tried them out and they felt very good. Actually, I really liked the Courtland Plush. I believe that it is a brand that only Big Lots sell. The cost for the mattress and box spring comes to $800.00. I was not able to find out the number of coils but they do have the continuous turns. Would you be able to tell me anything about these mattresses.
Thanks.
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Jun 15 '07
12:11 pm PDT
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Helpful Review, still need some additional answers (Reply to this comment)
by jac399
The information on the mattresses was very helpful however, I still have some unanswered questions that I can't seem to find the answer to. What is a good coil count for a king size bed? On consumersearch.com they said for a good king the coil count should have a min of 450, but compared to your queen 600-800 range, the king seems low. Also I have been testing out some of the beds on the market and out of the ones so far the visco memory foam feels the best. However I do have low back problems and am currently pregnant. I don't won't to buy a mattress that in a few years after spending a fortune on has gone down hill. I want a good quality comfortable mattress. I have also compared visco and latex foam. Everything I have read, the latex(natural rubber) foam out runs the visco foam by a mile. Also manufacturers are also putting a lot of foam in the mattresses is that a good thing as long as it has the correct coils?
Please help!!!
Sincerely, Angela
North Carolina, United States
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May 15 '07
1:25 pm PDT
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how to compare mattresses (Reply to this comment)
by rickair
I've just started shopping for a mattress and was shown this very comfortable Serta Perfect Day "Renewal" from a store called Dormez-Vous. Unfortunately, I can't really compare it to anything, because every store has its own Serta Perfect Days version bearing different names. How do I know if I'm getting a good mattress at a good price ? Thanks, from Montreal.
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Sep 12 '06
5:41 pm PDT
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wow (Reply to this comment)
by themattressman
selling mattresses for 2 years does not make you an expert. gaining as much product knowledge does not either, until you understand what is really important to a quality mattress. have you heard of latex? do you know that 1 kind of pocketed coil is not heat tempered? do you understand that the heat tempered innerspring will outlast the upholstery layers, so the strength on it is highly overrated? foam makes or brakes a bed, and the quality used determines the lifespan and comfort for the customer. i love the fact that you are trying to help people with buying and knowledge, but you need to give better advise if you want to help.
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Aug 08 '05
11:01 am PDT
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Coil count is not where it's at (Reply to this comment)
by wowman
Wow! I just read your review. There is so much to say, but I'll keep it short.
First... when shopping for a mattress, and you are looking at two or more different brands of mattresses, coil count is irrelevant. C'mon folks, it means nothing. The FOUR coil types, bonnel, offset, marshall, and continuous wire are all different sizes, shapes, and heights. You CAN NOT compare one to the other.
Second... counting turns is fine, but once again how relevant can that be when companies use not only different construction techniques, and some use different metals.
Third... foam is great... especially since no foam bed on the market rely's on the visco-foam itself to support your body.
Finally (for now)... TRY the beds. A coil of solid gold is worthless if it hurts to sleep on it. START with comfort. Narrow it down. Then make a decision based on care for your body, motion separation, warranty... price. Today's mattress companies have done an excellent job focusing on quality of sleep... not coil count. They all offer a pretty amazing nights sleep. Just be sure you're comfortable.
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Jul 07 '03
3:36 pm PDT
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Re: Most Helpful (Reply to this comment)
by jaschmoo
I've seen a lot of advice about what to look for and how to find a mattress but haven't seen any brand or type recommendations. I don't have time to shop all over town so it would be nice to have a few in mind before I get there so I don't have to wast time with low budget ones that aren't gonna hold up over time.
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Dec 30 '02
8:20 am PST
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Clarification? (Reply to this comment)
by NewsView
I understand what you mean when you say "individually-pocketed coil,” i.e. Simmons Beautyrest. I understand what you refer to when you say Bonnell (round-top spiral, self-tied). I also understand continuous coils (double ringlets that run the entire length of the mattress). I’m not sure what you mean by “independent coil,” however.
My guess is that you’re referring to an Offset coil, as in Leggitt & Platt’s Lura-flex? Assuming this is so, how many types (trade names) are you aware of?
In my own attempt to become educated I've compared offset (straight-topped) coil to Bonnell (round-topped) type. So far, I can only identify one problem: round coils may not be spaced as evenly as the offset type. In fact, I’ve seen vertically running gaps as much as 3.5 inches on a full-size innerspring with 312 coils. Offset coils, by contrast, appear more consistent. This benefit may simply be a byproduct of a greater number of coils in the frame and not necessarily the offset design itself. (I am not an engineer, just an educated guess.)
Bonnell coils may be okay *if* they are spaced evenly or if they are densely packed (high count). Other than this, I'm not sure why one would say a Bonnell would spin out faster than an independent coil. If anything, it may begin to feel lumpy. That could be true of any low-count mattress though.
BTW, are you aware of a site that offers up-close pictures of each coil type for illustrative purposes? This is especially important because if you ask a salesperson if the coils in a given mattress are offset—because you heard that was a good type—they can tell you it is in order to make the sell. Without being able to visually identify it, a customer wouldn’t be the wiser. In any case, if you know of such a site, please post the link.
Last but not least, I appreciate the part in your review about coil turns (the math). Very informative! One question about that too: some mattresses boast a “high-profile coil”—is that the same thing as a six-turn coil?
Thanks.
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Jun 06 '02
10:13 pm PDT
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Re: Most Helpful (Reply to this comment)
by eh2zed
You're welcome, I'm glad I can help.
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Jun 03 '02
8:55 am PDT
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Thank you for all the e-mails (Reply to this comment)
by eh2zed
I have received many e-mails thanking me for the article. Nothing makes me feel better than hearing I have helped people. For those of you who have written me to say thank you, you're welcome and thank you right back. If you like my article (or if you don't like it) please leave me a rating so I know how I'm doing. Thanks again. :)
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10:53 pm PST
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