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You are Ignorant (Reply to this comment)
by rick_k
I think you better get your facts straight. I stated that "with OS X you can run Linux/ Unix titles too, and even windows it the mood strikes you (again pc's can't beat that". Which is a factual statement, indicating that the Mac will allow you to run more operating systems than a pc will. So you lose on that one.
And yes the features show up in the Mac version first, This was quoted from one of the guys at the Mac Apps division of Microsoft, in an interview in Macworld. So you can dispute that with Microsoft, and again you'll lose. While the code may be different, the newest features still show up on Mac first. You might want to check what you're smoking. So you lose on that one.
You claim that pc's have a faster system bus and RDRAM, yet with all this, Macs are only marginally faster using a slower system bus and slower memory. Guess that says a lot doesn't it? So you lose on that one.
I feel so disappointed that I have to be stuck with a Mac motherboard. I cant go buy one from a fly by night company that has questionable quality. While there are some good ones out there there are more than are bad than good, otherwise the Intel inside logo wouldn't be a major selling point with pc builders (Gateway, Dell, etc.). You also claim that "I can have 4 hard drives, 4 optical drives, 4 chips, 4 gigs of ram, dual video cards, gig Ethernet, 4 USB's and have plenty more space, not to mention that I can actually configure the important systems. You know what? I went to apple.com and configured a system like mine. You know what I had to pay? $5,500. Insane huh? My trick PC cost me $1,400. I've also build my own before for way cheaper. You ever done that with a Mac? Didn't think so... you CANT." This is a total fallacy, trust me I looked it up and the same configuration you state using components of comparable quality will cost you over $6,000. Sure you can put cheap parts in a computer and get more but to put components of the same level of quality that Apple uses, it will cost more. Just as a joke I got parts and built a G3, I did it on a bet, Now if you'd like to pony up the cash I'm willing to bet I can build a G4 also. So that shoots your "You can't build a Mac" theory down. and just for the record 90% of the people using pc's don't build them, so the statement I made is actually true (and since I have an Apple monitor I have 5 counts the 5 free USB ports, one more than you claim). And you can have up to 5 video cards in the new Mac (why anyone would I don't know, who need 10 monitors?) So you lose on that one.
Why has Apple's tech support been rated higher than most of the "pc vendors" for the last few years. Could it be that it is better? It sure is easier to call just one number, than wasting half a day calling one number only to learn you have to call a different number, then learning you have to call yet a different number. While Microsoft does have "toll free" tech support you may have to wait a few hours to get thru, so they offer a "$50 per call" option that gets you the answer quicker. Here's an interesting Fact, Microsoft made more money on the 900 number and pay per call tech support on windows 95 than the made on the sales of windows 95. So you lose on that one.
Next I would like to illustrate your total ignorance. The ADC (Apple Display Connector) is 100% digital from the graphics card (mine is a GeForce 2) to the display. You now have a choice of 3 cards, the Radeon 7500, the NVIDIA GeForce4 MX and the NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium (all of them can support dual displays), guess the last one shoots your pc have better video hardware down. Pc's mostly use VGA (Video Graphics Array) which is analog, so the signal has to be converted from digital to analog then back to digital (the difference is similar to the difference between HDTV and regular TV, which is analog). The reason for this is you lose signal when you convert. Apple knows this and opted for a straight digital connection. I suggest you go look at one of the 22" cinema displays and see for yourself, they are eye catching. Another of your misinformed statements "also a shame Mac doesn't plan on supporting DDR until G5, so your 64 Megs of DDR might as well be 32 of SD." that is really a stretch. While the main memory is SDRAM the video memory is a different thing. The ATI cards and the upper level nVidia cards have used DDRAM for some years. Looks like its you that needs to do more research. So you lose on that one.
You strike me as someone that hates Macs, well there's one more thing you should know. Fact Macs are the leading edge of technology, what you see on a Mac will usually take 6 months to 2 years to show up on a pc. Case in point The DVD-R (Apple calls it the Superdrive) has been available for a year on Macs, and is just now catching on in the pc world. Without Apple and the Mac you'd still be looking at a monochrome screen and using DOS prompts. I don't think Microsoft, would have spent the time trying to rip off Mac OS and the GUI if it was not a better idea. The mouse well while it's not an Apple innovation (Xerox actually made it, Apple just made it commercially viable). Yet you seem to forget these things. While you and your buddies sit there and bash something you have little or no knowledge about, which is just fine. Don't condemn someone that knows more about something than you do. And if the major thing in your life is playing games on a computer then you seriously need to get a life. While you're at it I drive an Acura. You most likely will say that a Hyundai is better, simply because it cost less. Ignoring the obvious quality differences. But just like cars, clothes, appliances, home entertainment equipment, computer are the same way. You get what you pay for, you want to buy cheap you get cheap. It's lame to compare a home built computer to one that is pre built, if you're going to compare try using the pc assembler's (Gateway, Dell, Alienware) website, and compare that to Apple's build to order.
In short I think you're way off the mark and are further proving that ignorance is a dangerous thing.
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Feb 08 '02 9:51 am PST
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by Maarek
Just thought I’d pick you apart a little...
"I for one bought AppleCare, if it does break they (Apple) will send someone right to my house to fix it, and it won't cost me a penny (pc's can't beat that). And tech support, well there again Macs rule Microsoft charges for tech support (even on new products) and with AppleCare, you get 3 years of toll free no charge tech support (up from the 90 tech support)"
Interesting... It's called "In home service" it's free for at LEAST a year from all major PC vendors. Microsoft DOES offer free support for all their products; it's called a warranty... It's a 1-800 number... it's free... You need to do a little more research.
"Software, I haven't had any problem finding anything I want, and with OS X you can run Linux/Unix titles too, and even windows it the mood strikes you (again pc's can't beat that)."
Since when cant PC's run Unix/Linux? They were designed on them. The only reason PC's don’t run Mac OS is that APPLE owns it, and will not let any other companies install it on systems. They want the whole 10% Mac share for themselves. No loss though, no pc user wants MAC OS.
"Interesting note here, Microsoft writes versions for the Mac first (Explorer, Office) then ads the features to the Windows version later (Don't ask me why they just do, and that's from someone in the Mac apps division at Microsoft) "
You need to do some research pal. Microsoft writes SEPERATE code for the Mac. It's an entirely different machine language. They have an entirely different section for the Mac because most Mac users WANT MS office. The PC version is made to be directly integrated into windows systems. You need to ask you friend how drunk he was when he told you this. Last time I checked there were no Microsoft 'Mac' labs in Alaska. Please don’t make up fictitious information to back your opinion.
I’m tired of cutting and pasting. I'll sum it up here. I don’t care how many floating point calculations the G4 can do, when you cut it down to user speed, it's marginal. Look at the system buss?? No DDR, No PC 2100. They still use SD ram for crying out loud, and you pay twice as much for it. Geforce4 TI? You'll have to wait a few months. So you got your 64mb ddr Gforce 3? Too bad you paid nearly $500 bucks for it when I can get it for under $300. Also a shame Mac doesn’t plan on supporting DDR until G5, so your 64 Megs of DDR might as well be 32 of SD. Oh, and ADC connectors? Don’t make me laugh; PC graphics cards are capable of the exact same resolutions. Do you even know the difference between digital and analog? Do you know that it’s a way of conveying information and not just a catch fraze? How about AGP 4x? How long did it take Mac to get that?
You also claim that you have not seen a PC that has the same upgradability as Macs... you need to do some motherboard research and ATX case research. Too bad that if you buy a Mac your limited to a single type of Mac motherboard. I can have 4 hard drives, 4 optical drives, 4 chips, 4 gigs of ram, dual video cards, gig Ethernet, 4 USB's and have plenty more space, not to mention that I can actually configure the important systems. You know what? I went to apple.com and configured a system like mine. You know what I had to pay? $5,500. Insane huh? My trick PC cost me $1,400. I've also build my own before for way cheaper. You ever done that with a Mac? Didn’t think so... you CANT.
Well, have a good one. Didn’t really care to spend the time to spell check and all that. I’m in a hurry, got a counterstrike game coming up. Too bad you wont be joining me.
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Feb 07 '02 11:06 pm PST
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