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Re: Re: You're right, I hate that job! (Reply to this comment)
by tuneland
I have been buying Grillpro replacement burners for my BBQ. They have a 5 year guarantee. Yeah right! They burn out in two seasons. Never had one last longer. I can't find another brand where I live. We have two hardware stores.
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Feb 19 '07
11:40 am PST
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waited to long (Reply to this comment)
by pedsld
I just kept putting it off ,and now I have to find out where I can get some parts to get it going right again. I notice that I only had flames coming out the ends and not the middle also. When I tore it apart I notice the end of the pan were rusted out.
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Feb 02 '03
7:06 pm PST
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Crimeny! (Reply to this comment)
by KatM
I am ASHAMED to admit that I have NEVER cleaned my gas grill. I don't even want to tell you how old the thing is. It still works, but ... ugh. I'm now dreading the years (many) of muck that I will discover when I get ambitious enough to follow your excellent instructions.
Thanks for the review! Cheers!
KatM
(who always waves to badkitty as her mind drifts past in the gutter)
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Jun 03 '02
5:46 am PDT
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sigh! (Reply to this comment)
by Lark729_89
lotta work but to save money, I think it's worth the time invested.
Thanks for the very helpful advice here.
Carol
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Jun 02 '02
12:59 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Cleaning "The Great Outdoors" 6000 (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi Larry,
Well I finally got around to checking out that website you posted below. I have to tell you, I'm impressed. Not so much by the 75 year warranty against burn-out. Why not go 100 years or a thousand? The product description does sound pretty rugged though. Cast brass "H" style burners! That would be expensive, but certainly capable of living for more than 25 years. Unlike the paper thin, stainless steel burner they plunked into mine, that only lasted 18 months.
My time at their website wasn't a waste of time either, because I got a great sounding recipe for barbecue ribs. Guess what we are having for dinner tomorrow night?
Well, you may be right about the world not being around in 75 years, but, at least your barbecue with be. It'll be standing tall in what is left of your backyard, a monument to the ingenuity of mankind. (And still under warranty!:-)
I've never seen this product in the "boonies" of Canada, but, I may have just missed it, there are so many makes on the market now, it's hard to keep track.
Give me the specs on your workshop and I'll try to give you some suggestions. I just need to know overall size of the area to be heated, general construction of it (insulated/uninsulated, wood frame, concrete, etc.) and design temperature (region of the country you're in, average outdoor air temperature in the winter) Also, if you want a propane, wood, # 2 fuel oil or (ugghh) electric, heating system.
As you may have guessed, the options are endless, but there are some pretty cost effective and safe heating systems for workshops. Depending upon what kind of work you do in the workshop, you may want to consider a sealed combustion system, one that keeps any fumes or sawdust out of the combustion process, and draws in air for combustion from outside.
Thanks again for your comments and the link to The Great Outdoors barbecue line.
Take care,
Regards,
Gasman
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May 24 '02
6:34 am PDT
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Re: Re: Cleaning? Yukkkkk! (Reply to this comment)
by gamblin_man,  in Home and Garden
Live 75 years? I'm not sure the world will still be around that long. It is a better than average grill, though. Even heat and temps up to 800F to sear a steak (we buy ours by the half cow). Price wasn't too bad. We got it at Wal-Mart. Do they have those in the boonies of Canada? *G*
I really do enjoy your epinions. I/m trying to put together a workshop heat system and I've read everything you wrote about space heaters. At least I know what NOT to get now. *G*
Keep writing.
Larry
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May 23 '02
7:19 pm PDT
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Re: Cleaning? Yukkkkk! (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hey Gamblin Man,
75 Year Warranty??? You planning to be around to take advantage of it? I can just see you now assuming you're 25 years old, wheeling your old barbecue down to the retail store in the year 2077
and demanding a warranty replacement.
Unfortunately, the store's gone, everything is being sold via the internet and the company that made your barbecue went out of business in 2050.
I once asked a manufacturer I knew, "What does a lifetime warranty really mean?" He replied, "It's warranted for the life of the person who owns it, or the life of my company, whichever dies first".
Sorry, I always have a hoot when I read those outrageous warranty promises. 99.9% of the people who have lifetime warranties on appliances either lose them, forget to register them, or plain forget they had them. The manufacturer's I know, bank on it. It sounds good though and it helps to sell the product, no question about that.
Anyway, at least you know you have some protection for the short term.
Thanks for your comments, I'll have to check that website out. Hoping you outlive your 75 year warranty, that'll teach the bastards.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 23 '02
1:13 pm PDT
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Re: Hey, wow! (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Although I'm not sure how great of a teacher I am, I do appreciate your comments.
It's always nice to hear that someone finds something of interest in there somewhere. Much better than being told how boring my reviews are. *L*
Thanks again,
Regards,
Gasman
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May 23 '02
12:59 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: I know a better way... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
I've only just realized that there's a very good reason why you're known as Bad Kitty.
Waving from the gutter as your mind drifts by,
Regards,
Gasman
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May 23 '02
12:56 pm PDT
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Cleaning? Yukkkkk! (Reply to this comment)
by gamblin_man, in Home and Garden
Hi Gasman,
I try to clean my grill every few years, usually when I can't see the ceramic stones any more for the gunk buildup. I don't think it's a safety issue for me. The cast aluminum parts have a 75 year replacement warranty for burn through, the ROC parts are warranted for 50 years, the cast brass burner is warranted for 25 years (prorated) and even the knobs (glass impregnated plastic) are warranted for 5 years. I have to run it on Propane, though, since us country folks don't have gas lines (or cable either).
Weber is okay I guess but I'll put my Great Outdoors 6000, http://www.gogrills.com, up against anything out there.
Keep writing the great epinions. I'll keep reading them and learning.
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May 23 '02
12:05 pm PDT
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Hey, wow! (Reply to this comment)
by 4rhodes
Thank you for all of your reviews. You are a great teacher.
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May 22 '02
6:51 pm PDT
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Re: ! Weedwhacking yer cats? (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi Dee,
I suppose, for your benefit, I should have qualified that warning:
DO NOT USE ANY OUTDOOR GAS APPLIANCES INDOORS,
(Unless you live in or come from Pine Knot, Kentucky.)
As for weedwhacking your cats, you're going to have every cat lover from Pine Knot breathing down your neck with comments like those. Yer sapposed ta chase em down with a tiller gurl. Any dang fool nose dat!
sigh- is right, why do I even bother...
Take care Dee, and thanks for the comments.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 22 '02
10:32 am PDT
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Re: I know a better way... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hey Kitty, I mean Agent O, or is it "M" today?
You sound just like my brother. Charcoal grills are better than gas grills. Well, I'll bet, if you were blindfolded, you couldn't taste the difference between an Italian sausage cooked on a charcoal grill and one cooked on a gas grill.
I'll blindfold you for this taste test and I'll provide the sausage. Sound like fun? *L*
Take care, you krazy kitten.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 22 '02
10:22 am PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Cracks, eh? (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi Carol,
If you could only manage to keep it running, in safe condition, for another 13 years I think it would qualify as an antique. Did your service person say why it was ready to be changed out?
If they've found a crack or signs of serious corrosion in the heat exchanger, I would readily agree with them. If it's just the circulation fan, fan motor, gas valve or some other replaceable part, I would probably opt to keep it and have it repaired. If they haven't given you a specific reason for changing it, other than it's age, I wouldn't. Not to say you should wait until a furnace fails outright before replacing it, I simply don't believe in tossing out a perfectly good furnace, "just because"... It may have another 10 to 15 years of service left in it.
As for recommendations, IF you do decide you have to change it, why don't you tell me which brands they've recommended and I'll tell you what I know about them and which ones have the best records. Some of the furnace brands I'm familiar with may or may not be available in your region.
Volkswagon doesn't make a furnace line, unfortunately. What you don't want, is a furnace with all of the latest, greatest, state of the art electronic everything types. I still believe in keeping it as conventional as possible, especially, until the furnace industry gets the bugs and the weak links out of the electronics side of things.
Unfortunately, your experience with the service technician is just a little too common these days. It's either due to a lack of training or out of pure greed, to seize an opportunity to sell a new system. Heck, that's a lot more profitable to the dealer than fixing the old unit.
I always tell people to get a second opinion when it comes to high end repair and replacement costs like that. Glad to hear your second opinion saved you a lot of money.
Thanks again for your comments, good luck.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 22 '02
10:14 am PDT
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by dedemw
DO NOT USE ANY OUTDOOR GAS APPLIANCES INDOORS???
No more weedwhacking my cats or grilling inside..
sigh-
: )
Great read mr gasman
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May 21 '02
4:43 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Cracks, eh? (Reply to this comment)
by remnjava
Yep! I double checked and it IS a Chrysler Air Temp. Both the furnace and the air conditioner. "Someone I know" was born in 1975 so it is an easy year to remember. That is the year the house was built, unless they bought the furnace used... :)
The new ones aren't built well, eh? Any good brands to recommend? Volkswagon types that are covered with cubic zirconia instead of diamonds? Do a good job and built to last?
I had one yahoo out here a few years back. Our a/c was putting out 80F/23C air. It just needed a little wash down. The guy who came out said we needed a new unit. I told my husband to call the guy who came out the previous year, before he decided to switch servicemen. Yup, just a simple cleanout.
Thanks again,
Carol
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May 21 '02
7:13 am PDT
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Re: You're right, I hate that job! (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi Mark,
Have you checked out the GrillPro universal replacement burners? They look pretty good. Easy to install and reasonably priced. There's another review, in just a few sentences.
My burner, as described in this review, was on the verge of total collapse. I'm pretty surprised that it would fail so soon, as I'm sure these things are required to go through a lifecycle test before certification. Could be a bad batch of stainless steel from China I suppose.
You don't have to worry about jinxing the Leafs, they'll be there, they've worked too hard for this chance and we've waited too long. A Toronto/Detroit Cup Final would be pretty exciting. Closer to home as well. You had it right the first time, it would be Leafs-Wings:-)
I'll look forward to razzing you when the Leafs are trucking the Cup back to Toronto. *L*
Thanks for the comments.
Take care.
All the best,
Gasman
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May 21 '02
6:33 am PDT
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Re: Thanks for the good advice..... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi Glenn,
Do I get the beers before or after I've serviced your barbecue? Better make it after, I'd hate to think what I'm capable of when I'm under the influence. Let that be a lesson to all you kids out there, the Gasman doesn't attempt to drink and tink with a gas appliance.
Only one or two? Sheesh, I would have thought it would be worth a six pack, at least. Let's see, that works out to about $4.00 an hour for my time, excluding travel costs....
Okay, I'll do it.
Thanks for your comments,
Regards,
Gasman
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May 21 '02
6:27 am PDT
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Re: Always a good review. (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi Carol,
Kids...what do they know? They all think they're invincible until one of the many warnings we've given them comes true. It's one of those few things, about which, you never want to be able to say, "I told you so."
Thanks for passing it on to them. A little knowledge and a little caution can go a long way towards protecting those we care about.
I appreciate your comments, take care.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 21 '02
6:07 am PDT
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Re: I could have used this yesterday... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Hi John,
Well at least you've got a good brand name. I like most Weber products.
Trying to visualize how a squirrel could move into one, unless you left the lid open. Although I found one (fried) inside of my electrical box at the cottage once and I still can't figure out how he managed to get in there.
My barbecue is, more or less, in service all year round. Never heard of storing it for the winter. Haven't you ever stood outside at minus 20 degrees, cooking up a storm? You're missing something there.
Thanks for taking time to read this and for the comments.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 21 '02
6:00 am PDT
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Re: Cracks, eh? (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Carol,
Are you sure it's only 27 years old? That furnace has been in the gas service business as long as I have. However, I'm pretty sure the Chrysler Air Temp furnaces went out of production before 1975. Maybe you got the last one? That is a pretty good life for a furnace, however, I have seen them go on safely for much longer. I'd get a second opinion that it's at the end before trading it in for one of the new paper machete style furnaces currently available.
Anyway, that's my epinion and that's all I've got to say about that.
Thanks for your comments, good luck.
Regards,
Gasman
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May 21 '02
5:50 am PDT
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Thanks for the good advice..... (Reply to this comment)
by gfg12
but since I'm kinda busy right now, would you mind stopping over after work and doing this for me? I'll buy you one or two of those Canadian beers you like so much. Glenn
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May 21 '02
3:24 am PDT
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You're right, I hate that job! (Reply to this comment)
by michiman1,  in Home and Garden
Took mine apart last summer, I KNEW IT WAS TIME. When I went to remove the old burner it disintegrated in my hand. I'll try not to wait over three years next time especially since I use mine regularly, even if I have to clear away 4 feet of snow.
Hate to jinx either team but I'm really hoping that Leafs-Wings... no wait... Wings-Leafs series happens this year.
Mark
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May 20 '02
7:45 pm PDT
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I could have used this yesterday... (Reply to this comment)
by jag2112
...which is when I was knee-deep into taking apart my Weber for its annual clean-up maintenance.
Turns out it was being used as a nest to a squirrel or two over the winter.
Talk about chestnuts roasting on an open fire :)
Great review!
-John
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May 20 '02
1:25 pm PDT
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Cracks, eh? (Reply to this comment)
by remnjava
Great review, as always. Unfortunately, you remind me that my furnace is starting to deteriorate. Got the heads up from the furnace guy last year. Hopefully we can get another year out of it before we need to replace it with a high efficiency unit. 27 years is a good service life on this Chrysler Air Temp. Hey, can I write a review on it? :)
Take care and keep up the GREAT work!
Carol
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May 20 '02
1:18 pm PDT
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