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Hunting IS Kosher! (Reply to this comment)
by guardian40
Hunting for meat or fur, even non-kosher animal, is NOT against the Torah!
How ridiculous to say that a man cannot hunt to feed his family because G-d prohibits it. The prohibition is in handling the corpses of non-kosher animals. And yeah, there still are REAL JEWISH MEN not emasculated by your hippie agenda who hunt for meat. You’re a vegetarian and therefore you make this extremist, secular issue into a religious one by claiming it is commanded by the Torah. Deceiver! Animals were slaughtered for many reasons in the Torah. Being an “environmentalist” (read: willfully ignorant extremist trying to promote a personal political agenda) you actually HARM the environment by preventing many young men from learning this ancient tradition. Your shame and deceit tactics are NOT from the Torah. They are from the very source of manipulation and deception completely counter to serving G-d.
As a result of these lies, many prey populations such as deer and wild boar cause thousands of human deaths a year on the roads. In the case of the invasive species of wild boar, utterly destroy thousands of hectares of native forest lands and natural habitats for native species. Then they subsequently over-breed and suffer and starve to death over the winter. Killing a bear or lynx that is threatening livestock is a valid and authorized reason to kill a non-kosher animal as well and PERFECTLY admissable.
In many cases in the Torah, animals were killed at the command of G-d for many non-kosher reasons… (e.g. the horses of Egypt drowned as part of the plagues to free the Jew – HELLO!).
Musket shot caused suffering. It did not instantly kill the animal. Today’s rifles do NOT cause suffering in the hands of a trained and skilled hunter. The prohibition is CAUSING SUFFERING to the animal. Also, the killing of animal must be for a purpose that benefits human beings. Thinning herds even of non-kosher animals DOES 100% obey this law. To allow the animals to die the horrific death of slow starvation because there are no predators to kill them IS to cause suffering.
Unlike the typical vegetarian BS propaganda, hunting is not just for some sick pleasure or “desire to kill.” It is a rare hunter who does not donate the meat and pelts he kills to the needy when he cannot use them himself. So the claims that “most hunters kill for sport” that most extremist nuts like you make, is also a lie. According to the law, the animal meat must be used for meat or skins (non kosher) or donated to feed others (yes, even your pets). It CAN be done for environmental reasons to thin prey like overpopulated deer and one CAN hunt and kill non-kosher meat so long as it is then given or resold to gentiles or the meat and fur put to some use that benefits human beings. Wild hogs are severely destructive and damage the environment. Again, the meat CAN be killed and donated to gentiles.
You have no idea what you are talking about. So please stop spreading misinformation. Why am I certain that you are one of those secular Jews who freaked out at the video of cows being slaughtered IN A KOSHER Butcher and subsequently forced it to be shut down so that there is even fewer sources of clean humanely killed meat for the decent Jews of the world! Guess what, your vegetarian no-kill ways cause a great deal more suffering to wildlife and the environment than any hunter can. It is also the hunter fees that paid for much of the maintenance in many of the free range lands. You and your vegetarian buddies going to fork over the billions the hunters previously supplied those real environmentally sane practices before being treated like pariahs? Nope, you’re just going to spread more BS.
Being a kosher hunter means you need to use the correct weapon and not hunt for “sport” or fun. That is NOT allowed. But to say that hunting is “not kosher” in and of itself is an outright LIE. Stop feminizing men. Given it is nearly impossible to get enough B12 without meat such that many vegetarians and ALL vegans must get INJECTIONS is pathetic. G-d commanded that the animals are for our USE. Your sad politics does not override that for me or other sane Jews. Boys need to learn to provide for their families and to have confidence and the self respect associated with learning this skill so that they can grow up to be confident men of G-d, not sickly vegetarian extremist who deceive others into believing that G-d says stuff he never said.
You’re probably one of those deceived people who willfully mistranslate the commandments as: “Thou shall not kill.” When in fact it says, “Thou shall not MURDER.” Which is a premeditated act of revenge or exploitation of the vulnerability of another to cause them suffering and take the gift of life from them without due cause or right. NOT the same thing as killing meat for food. Stop deceiving people in the name of Judaism. Stop adding to the law because it suits your misguided political agenda.
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Dec 25 '09
3:39 pm PST
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Re: 2 corrections and other observations (Reply to this comment)
by naphtalia
Great comments. Thanks for the details and corrections. I, too, come from an Ashkenazik tradition that avoids legumes during Passover. I find this too restrictive and utterly non-sensical. As a vegetarian, I find it easier to follow a Sephardic tradition which allows rice and beans. My general rule is that out of the house, I'm Sephardic. In the house with other family members, I am Ashkenazi.
Hag Sameach.
Talia
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Apr 13 '03
10:58 am PDT
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2 corrections and other observations (Reply to this comment)
by zvize
As a Jew who has a command of Hebrew, I'm submitting corrections as well as other remarks:
A> It's the Hebrew letter Kaf (which looks in Hebrew like a backwards C) that indicates "kosher". (The letter Coof sounds virtually the same but looks different.) Also, the author meant to say "hekhsher" or "hechsher", not "heksher".
B> Yemeni Jews in Israel - primarily of the old generation - are known for their fondness to catch, cook and eat certain kinds of locusts. A humble beginning of such locus eating by other Jews in Israel may be taking roots thanks to the these Jews' effort to preserve and pass down their culinary heritage to the next generations.
C> For the benefit of those interested in Hebrew definitions of Kosher, Fleishig and Milchig are called in Hebrew Besaree and Halavee respectively.
D> Whomever is interested in the historic background of the Torah's directive "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk" should know that the residents in the land of Israel prior to and during the Israelite settlement and conquest - who were collectively known as Cana'anites and spoke the same ancient Hebrew dialects as the Israelites - had a ritual practice of cooking kids in their mothers' milk and eating this dish; the directive to avoid this was one of the Torah's ways of distinguishing the Israelites from Cana'anites. These facts and reasoning had been forgotten in the course of the 2nd Temple's period (516 B.C.E. - 70 A.D.) or deliberately pressed out of memory by rabbis in the 1st century A.D. at the earliest. At that time the rabbis also took upon themselves to further differentiate between Jews and non-Jews, developing at least some of the Kosher laws with that purpose in mind. Rabbis of that and subsequent periods had formed all the rules of Kosher we know of.
E> As the author explained, Jews have also developed certain traditions, some of which even seem to fly in the face of Kosher rules. For instance, legumes are forbidden during Passover in the Ashkenazi tradition, even though this avoidance isn't even implicitly directed in any of the Jewish holy scriptures (from the Bible up to the Talmud), let alone explicitly. I'm an Ashkenazi and I simply ignore this tradition, though my grandma (to name one example) had never ignored it, even after I proved her why it doesn't make sense.
Zvi
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Apr 13 '03
2:24 am PDT
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Thanks for such a fact-filled piece... (Reply to this comment)
by amysmum
...you did a great job of explaining things.
Catriona
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Dec 17 '02
10:58 am PST
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Extensively Researched (Reply to this comment)
by Bruguru,  in Restaurants & Gourmet
And very interesting too. Thanks for the informative and interesting read.
Cheers!
John
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Dec 17 '02
6:39 am PST
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Most Interesting.... (Reply to this comment)
by tombarnes
A very thoughtful and informative piece. Well done. Tom Barnes
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Dec 16 '02
11:31 pm PST
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very informative (Reply to this comment)
by fuche_bu
This is invaluable information for Jewish persons who wish to come closer to the faith and for non Jewish persons who are merely curious or interested about kosher cuisine.
well written,
george
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Dec 16 '02
11:39 am PST
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