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Very well said! (Reply to this comment)
by miselainis
You're welcome to come visit anytime you get near Texas! We can use some more cool heads in this insane place. I'm afraid to put an anti-war/anti-Bush sticker on my car for fear that it will be vandalized (and I'm not talking keyed, I'm talking crowbar violently hitting the hood.)
Excellently written. I can only hope that now the Iraquis are free they will demand their own say-so in what happens to their country. Iraq should not become a puppet US regime.
m.
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Apr 15 '03
6:10 am PDT
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Comment. (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Dear beckish: It will be interesting to see how the American Public reacts when the Bush Administration comes up with its reasons for attacking Syria, then Iran, etc. Will the Americans and the World not begin to see uncomfortable parallels between Bush and his Advisors with other leaders who felt they were surrounded by enemies?
If not, we shall have signed on for the full cycle (which, of course, must include all of us in a most sanguinary way, giving and receiving).
Excellently expressed.
Regards to one of my most faithful readers.
[Macresarf1]
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Apr 12 '03
12:46 pm PDT
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Sorry to disagree Becky.... (Reply to this comment)
by watchdr_2000
"First and foremost, because I do not see violence as a solution to a problem. Never. If we as the human race condone violence in one form, we are tacitly condoning it in other forms."
Neville Chamberlain and most of Europe expressed the same sentiments above.
I don't think anybody in their right mind would agree that Mr. Chamberlain's actions (or inactions, more accurately) was the right thing to do. In fact just the opposite. It just encouraged Hitler to continue gobbling up one country after another, with all the others saying 'well I'm okay Jack, Hitler isn't attacking my country so it ain't my problem, so why should we worry about it!!'
And so it is with madmen like Saddam Insane. Nobody ever votes them out of office.
Nobody likes or wants war, but sometimes there is no other solution.
You go and tell those people in Iraq who are celebrating their new found freedom and who are kissing US marines that GWB was wrong to attack Iraq.
You go and tell those Iraqis whose wives and daughters were raped to death in front of their eyes that GWB was wrong.
You go and tell those Iraqis who were forced watch family members being ground up alive, feet first, and forced to hear their screams of pain and terror that GWB was wrong.
As for me, I fully support my President and our troops, but am very unhappy with the high number of 'friendly fire' incidents, which should all be thoroughly investigated by an independent body. Gary
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Apr 11 '03
6:31 pm PDT
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While (Reply to this comment)
by Suzer
I don't agree with you Becky, you expressed your thoughts very well, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I do hope it is over soon.
Suz
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Apr 08 '03
7:59 pm PDT
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Re: Re: You GO, Girls! (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
Freedom of speech includes objecting about how protestors infringe upon your rights. It just doesn't include slamming someone else because of his or her feelings. What I am objecting to in a large part is the calling people "unAmerican" because they object to the war. I support the right of people to protest, and I support the right of people to object if their driveway is blocked by protestors. Thanks for the comment!
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:54 pm PDT
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Re: About your analogy (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
Thanks for the comment. I guess my analogy was such that it is not right to attack/assault/kill others because we don't agree with them. There are other ways to handle such issues; and in my opinion the best way to handle Saddam Hussein is to stop giving him money. Without us supporting his bad behavior by buying his oil, he would not have the money or the incentive to act the way he does. Hope that makes sense; I am still down with influenza and not sure my brain is totally functioning.
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:49 pm PDT
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Re: Re: You GO, Girls! (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
Good points!
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:43 pm PDT
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Re: Interesting but........... (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
I can actually see what you are describing happening, and frankly it terrifies me. Why? Because I don't want my children to grow up in a revolution. I see the almost daily degradation of the constitution and it frightens me. I see the way individual rights are trampled on and it causes me extreme concern. I can see at some point where people will be tired of being repressed by the government and revolt. I can only hope that before that happens we will gain a government that will follow the constitution and get things back on an even keel.
I am not anti-gun. I strongly defend the rights of Americans to keep and bear arms. I do not respect their right to indiscriminately hurt each other with those guns, however, if a person is bent on harming another they will find a way to do it, even if they don't have a gun in their possession. Baseball bats can be just as dangerous; should we ban them? A gun is merely an inanimate object; without the person behind it a gun in and of itself can do no harm.
I do not see a correlation between my being against this war - which should never have been started by the United States government - and gun control. All gun control will do is take weapons out of the hands of responsible citizens; the criminals will still have them. The war is a completely different issue in my opinion.
Thanks for the comment. Did I miss your point?
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:41 pm PDT
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Re: The tragic thing about this (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
This foolish war has caused so many casualities. It is just sad.
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:33 pm PDT
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Re: Oil. (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
That's what makes it so frustrating. Can't people see the big picture? There are other ways to do all that without using oil. Sigh. Thanks for the comment!
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:22 pm PDT
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Re: You GO, Girls! (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
Isn't it frustrating how some people react with negativity because others have different opinions? You make very good points. And I agree that this war needs to be over very, very soon. I find it appalling that so many of the US/British deaths have been caused by "accident or friendly fire". Please! Thanks for the comment.
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:19 pm PDT
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Re: Hi (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
Don't be sorry; you make a lot of sense. Thanks for the comment.
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:14 pm PDT
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Re: .. (Reply to this comment)
by beckish
Thanks for the comment; much appreciated.
Take care and happy writing,
Becky
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Apr 07 '03
2:08 pm PDT
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What can I say, (Reply to this comment)
by ifif1938
I am in agreement with you about many of your points and feel the most important thing we can do now is stand by our troops...I do not trust George Bush in any way or means and am frightened by what more might be on his agenda..
Today the devasting news that NBC reporter David Bloom has died has completed thrown me for a loop..I cannot get over this sadness I feel..Not only for his family but for all who knew him as did my daughter when they worked together at our local NBC studios a few years ago...Even though he was not killed in action I can't help but feel it wouldn't have happened had he been here, at home, instead of over there "imbedded" with the soldiers as they made their way into Baghdad...To me he is a casualty of war as are all who die over there needlessly
Barbara
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Apr 06 '03
11:35 am PDT
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Re: General Agreement (Reply to this comment)
by Susie-34668
I feel really bad for our English lads too. Most people there were against the war.
Susie, who speaks to family in the U.K. all the time.
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Apr 05 '03
7:19 pm PST
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General Agreement (Reply to this comment)
by DAnneC
In general, I believe that war is man's most poignant expression of political failure. This war disturbs me too. It seems to me that when a nation goes to war too eagerly with an "enemy" that has not attacked, there is usually more that is being hidden than is being revealed. Just a thought. . . .
DAnneC
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Apr 05 '03
11:37 am PST
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About your analogy (Reply to this comment)
by lorendiac
I think you need to extend your analogy a bit; the one about the neighbor who handles his family life in a way that upsets our sensibilities. Your analogy seems to assume that if all the rest of the community will just mind their own business and leave him and his family alone, then no one (outside OR inside this weird neighbor's family) is going to die an undeserved and violent death. That's not quite the way Saddam Hussein maintains control of Iraq. So what if the neighbor has a very large family and murders members of it at regular intervals if they seem to doubt his qualifications to be a perfect leader? Does everyone else in the larger community, knowing this is occurring, have the right to just say, "Gosh, it's terrible that he's doing that, but as long as he restricts his violent impulses to troublesome members of his own household within the boundaries of his own property, it's really none of our business? Although we may stop buying things from him! That'll put him in his place and teach him to shape up his act!"
(This does not mean that I am a diehard supporter of this war. It just means that I see this as a possible weak spot in your own argument. My own opinions are firmly, boldly, unquestionably undecided. I read a lot of commentary by people on both sides but haven't made up my mind 100% one way or the other.)
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Apr 05 '03
9:04 am PST
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Re: Interesting but........... (Reply to this comment)
by aashok
Dear Mr Flores,
You say, armed Americans gather, organize and finally say "no more" Yeah I know you're thinking "whatever" but when that day comes, and it will come, you won't have anything to say 'cause you'll be standing on the sideline, or getting caught in the cross-fire
I'm afraid to bring this to your attention but, most other Americans who think like you, belong to the KKK, Aryan brotherhood, skinheads or are just some fun loving southerners, that wouldn't mind stringing you up right next to James Byrd Jr, faster than you can say 'frijoles'.
The second amendment. I have mixed feelings about the second amendment. “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” In this day and age, we don’t need the public to be armed to preserve the security of a free state. We have dedicated services such as the military, reserves and police departments to do that. I will however agree that I would not be able to enjoy the shooting sports in the absence of the second amendment. That said, if repealing the second amendment would prevent one more drive by shooting or the death of an innocent child, I'll personally throw my firearms collection in to the incinerator.
Someday you will learn that VOTES are far more potent than any firearm, in preserving a free state.
Ashok
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Apr 05 '03
7:02 am PST
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Re: You GO, Girls! (Reply to this comment)
by theresaro
-That right its free country if I get going on this I will never stop 65 billion dollars after they go and wipe out Iraq and want to rebuild it. What's up with that? What about the people in this country who can't even afford to live and have no health insurance? Is anything being done about that? of course not! This whole thing makes me mad! Yes, the guy should be killed but not affecting the life's of so many soldiers who haven't had the chance to even see what life is. I think Bush should stop this He couldn't get Bid laden and now we're being threatened by terrorists attacks this is bull in my opinion and it needs to stop and bring our troops home safe
Teri
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Apr 05 '03
3:32 am PST
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Re: Hi (Reply to this comment)
by theresaro
My words exactly
Teri
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Apr 05 '03
3:14 am PST
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Interesting but........... (Reply to this comment)
by sslabs
Unlike you, I'm not totally against this war. BUT, I'm not a pro-war kill 'em all type of guy either. I've seen all the MASSIVE protests, and the smaller pro war gatherings. You'd think that I was on one side or another, but I'm not.
I'm on a "third side" if you will. There are others like me. We are those paranoid, anti-government, gun show attending Timothy McVie types. I usually get lumped into some militia stereotype when I tell people that I own many firearms, vote pro gun, and protect that right with vigor.
You see, you say this war is illegal, but is it really? Isn't the USA we the people? I imagine that you have handed over your rights, and power to someone else time after time in search of some false sense of security. But when all of you gathered to protest the war, sometimes it seemed like 100,000 of you in one place, what happened?
The President barely even mentioned it, and blew all of you off. You let cops in riot gear spray you with pepper spray, and beat you with clubs, and arrest you for some petty crime.
Day after day of protest and what did it get the American people? A whole lotta nothing. When you hand all of your power over to a corrupt government, they will eventually betray you.
Examples: the government loves to pass laws in the midst of fear. Right after 9/11 was perfect. Pass some anti-terrorism bill and everybody was on the train. Then, people started to realize that it gave the powers that be, more freedom to tap phones and search you and your property.
Now, they were already doing it, now it's just legal.
Another example: you took the time to write this opinion to express the fact that you are against this war. But why didn't you (and every other American) protest the day pilots could no longer carry guns in the cockpit?
I'll tell you why most people did nothing. It's this poison that is fed to everyone, that if everyone is disarmed, if all the big bad guns are gone, we will all be safe. Pilots didn't have to pass through metal detectors like passengers. But because a gun toting pilot killed his co pilot and crashed a cargo plane and changed all of that.
When a little girl is killed in a drive-by, people want to pass a law. When this happened, someone said "disarm the pilots!" and it was so.
Was it worth it? Instead of accepting the fact that every 15 years, a pilot might do this, and accept the smaller risk, look what happened. A few men with about 9 dollars worth of box cutters made every American look like an a-s-s. Two towers fell, the Pentagon was hit, and a fourth plane crashed in a field. About 3000 people died. The entire economy took a dump, and a few hundred thousand people lost their jobs. And that is just the tip of a massive disaster.
I haven't even mentioned every major city in the US going broke because they are spending insane amounts of cash on post 9/11 security.
I understand you are against this war, and I think it's great that you are against violence, and for peace among all people. But if you want to make a difference, you should be ready for the day that Americans revolt and confront the people that got us into all these messes over the past 20 years. We gave money to Osama, we gave money and support to Saddam, but they turned on us. If someone had asked me, I would never have let that happen, but of course, nobody asks us, the tax payer for permission.
Years ago, I said it would get worse before it got better. Even now, it's not over, things are still going to get worse.
I'll tell you this much, the day that me and my friends take to the streets, nobody will be hitting us over the head with anything. That is the attitude you should have, look at how we got here in the first place.
I know that like most people, you're thinking "this guy is a weirdo" and that's okay I guess. But everything is coming true, the attack from the outside that was all paranoia, the retaliation, and now the war against a country that is on the fringe of this at best. Soon Americans stood up, only to get slapped down.
Now the final chapter, armed Americans gather, organize and finally say "no more" Yeah I know you're thinking "whatever" but when that day comes, and it will come, you won't have anything to say 'cause you'll be standing on the sideline, or getting caught in the cross-fire.
I know that people love to say, weapons and violence never solved anything. Well, I like to say, nobody ever holds up a gun store. The government ignored all of you peace lovers because they don't fear you, why should they? The day they do, is the day you can say "no war" and they'll actually listen.
Anyone have the balls to agree with anything I've said here?
- Tony
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Apr 04 '03
5:11 pm PST
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Re: Hi (Reply to this comment)
by Moppysl
You're so right.
But it gets me too upset to talk about it. My blood pressure soars.
Moppy
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Apr 04 '03
4:30 pm PST
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The tragic thing about this (Reply to this comment)
by Moppysl
is we've killed our own and our allies, "friendly fire" I think they call it.
My co-worker just returned from London, she said the British are very, very upset and they are talking of throwing Blair out and even his own party has turned against him.
Being George's friend has cost Tony dearly.
Where are the people? Do we want this "Cowboy"
to be our leader. I think he saw too many John Wayne movies as a kid.
Moppy
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Apr 04 '03
4:28 pm PST
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Oil. (Reply to this comment)
by aashok
Is the life blood of any expanding economy. It is essential to get our food to the supermarket, our clothes into the stores, to generate electricity, to run our trains, trucks and SUVs, etc. Add the fact that this very finite resource is fast depleting.
That is why a majority of Americans support Bush in this war, they want to ensure their way of life for their children.
Doesn't make it right. But that's the low-down.
Ashok
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Apr 04 '03
3:09 pm PST
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You GO, Girls! (Reply to this comment)
by MsHooterville
I also have been called "traitor, rag head Saddam lover" for being against this war, even though I also agree that Saddam needs to be removed from power. But the United States doesn't START wars, we FINISH wars that other countries start.
And if we don't find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- Bush's primary rationale for waging this possibly illegal war -- then Bush's next foreign trip (and Dick Cheney's and Rummy's) might be to The Hague.
Keep speaking up! No matter how much the chickenhawks hate it, this is STILL a free country, despite John Ashcroft's best efforts.
Now that we are in the war, I hope we win, and win FAST so our kids can all come back home again and be safe.
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Apr 04 '03
3:03 pm PST
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Hi (Reply to this comment)
by jo.com
I have vented and given my sermon on so many reviews now I won't again. Bush is making a fool of himself and the U.S. If Hussein comes out with his sons from his underground bunker with his hands up we'll take over the country. We are anyway. Who made us THE world as something I got said. It's one thing if the UN were with us. Bush is a little boy who didn't get a chance to play with his guns and he's killing us kids for it. Sorry, didn't want to do this again! jo
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Apr 04 '03
2:37 pm PST
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by theresaro
I agree with your 2 cents I'm adding my 2 cents with yours I feel the same way.
Teri :)
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Apr 04 '03
2:28 pm PST
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