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Before Reading Anymore Comments Here... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
I really think readers should take a second to visit PingPongPow's own review and then decide for themselves what kind of sick individual this person is. Cut and paste to his/her only review...
http://www.epinions.com/review/Amazing_Spider_Man_Magazines/content_147297177220
Having read it...tell me if this pond scum sucking slug is worthy of a technical debate.
The Gasman
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Jan 02 '12
4:34 pm PST
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The Plagiarism You Used to Debate, Cancels Your Views (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Whenever someone has no knowledge of a subject matter has to use the writer's own words, with twists to appear knowledgable, he proves himself to be a fool.
When that same person is a hate mongering fool, as proved by the only review contributed to this site, he or she is unworthy of a considered response.
Very sincerely,
The Gasman
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Jan 02 '12
4:16 pm PST
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Re: What an even sicker little person you are... (Reply to this comment)
by pingpingpow
The Gasman has finally revealed himself to be a perfect fraud. He's given up trying to defend his stupid and outdated opinions on ventfree gas appliances, and resorts to personal attacks like an angry child. Boohoo Gasman. LOL........that was easier than I thought it would be.
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Jan 01 '12
2:38 pm PST
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What an even sicker little person you are... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
To have copy and pasted sections of my own reviews and altered them to make you sound like you know what you are talking about. You are not only in need of a life, but of a good therapist.
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Dec 31 '11
3:57 pm PST
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This from a person who thinks comic books jargon justify the holocaust. (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear PPjackas...
I meant what I said previously, the post you made several years ago and have sinc deleted over the past two days, clearly exposes you as an anti-semite, with crazy connections between comic books that in some weird way you felt were rationalizing the holocaust. You can delete your hateful review and comments, but you can never erase from my mind what I read.
I still think you are a sick and disgusting individual and beyond that, I couldn't care less what you think about me or about vent-free stoves.
Read what you like into my comments, I never should have replied to your first comment, once I realized how sick you are.
Get help you poor deluded little person.
The Gasman
P.S. Gotham city was Batman not Spiderman and normal people would never have connected Gotham City as a racial slur against gentiles. What a sick stretch of the imagination that was.
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Dec 31 '11
3:53 pm PST
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Re: Re: Your Local Stove Shop HATES Vent Free Stoves.... (Reply to this comment)
by pingpingpow
I knew it, the gasman tips his hand when he says, "...in fact, I had the option of helping to develop ventfree stoves for a number of manufacturers over the past 16 years and I chose not to." This is the story of every disgruntled employee with a vendetta. I lost my job but it wasn't my fault. The industry is evil and I'm a hero. Gasman spends thousands of hours bashing ventfree stoves and he'd like you to believe that he has a clean motive. Sound kinda fishy?
Look at the cold hard facts -
"Among informed sources, the concern for CO poisoning has essentially been “off the table” for many years for vent-free gas products, but even well intentioned critics have legitimately asked whether there are other possible harmful effects associated with use and exposure to emissions from vent-free gas products. To address this question, in 1996 the Vent-Free Gas Products Alliance, members of GAMA, an Association of Appliance and Equipment Manufacturers, commissioned an independent research project to be conducted by the American Gas Association Research Division (AGAR). The objective was to measure the primary by-products of gas combustion from vent-free gas products against the most relevant indoor air quality standards and/or guidelines.
The contributors to indoor air quality that were tested were oxygen, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and water vapor (humidity). The researchers took into consideration the climate in the five Department of Energy heating regions in the U.S., various types of housing construction, and varied volumes of space to be heated. After running hundreds of thousands of computer based scenarios, the results were confirmed by the American Gas Association test house which was modified for all factors.
The researchers concluded that “vent-free gas heating products performed well within nationally recognized guidelines for indoor air quality. This research proves that vent-free gas heating products meet applicable emissions requirements even when used over extended time periods, among sensitive populations, and with units whose maximum heat output exceeds the requirements of the space.” Only in region V, (primarily the northern U.S. tier) if the appliance is used in a confined space (a room not able to communicate air exchange with other parts of the residence) there should be a limitation on the Btu/hr input of the heater. This landmark research has been extensively peer reviewed and has served as the basis for acceptance of vent-free gas products by national code groups and state regulatory agencies."
Gasman need to get a life and join the 21st century!
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Dec 30 '11
8:35 pm PST
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Re: Re: Re: everything is dangerous (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Mavernon,
Once again, I apolgize for not having seen your comment sooner. It was not sent to me by the Epinions site and I only saw it today.
The builders only glum onto the vent-free fireplaces to save a few dollars on the installation of venting. Builders will do anything to save a few bucks per house and then they will promise the world until the warranty runs out. I know alot about home builders.
The weird thing about your comment is that Napoleon only make vent-free products for export to the USA as they are a Canadian based manufacturer where such products are still illegal.
What confounds me about your comment is that, if a product was set-up for natural gas and you were operating on propane, the flames would be ridiculously high and the unit would likely shut down or soot up almost instantly. You see, the gas orifices for natural gas are much larger than those for propane, so I can't understand why you were "unable" to acheive a large flame. If you operate a natural gas unit on propane the effects would be to have an almost out of control yellow flame, licking the roof of the firebox. Likewise, if you try to operate a fireplace equipped with tiny propane orifices, on natural gas you will get a tiny blue flame and the pilot will usually shut down on safety.
Most vent-free fireplaces are not convertible to propane and vice versa.
You were wise to shut down the fireplaces if they were giving you headaches. I can't believe you don't have a good heating and air conditioning company in the area that does not have technicians on staff equipped with a good combustion analyzer and can't fire them up and run a few tests to confirm what I am thinking is the problem there. They are likely not set up properly, possibly, the person hooking them up manually turned down the manifold gas pressure to try to simulate a propane unit. I would feel sick to my stomache to think a licensed gasfitter would do that, but it is possible.
In fact, if it is true that you have a natural gas unit and the flame is short, on propane, it is the only explanation I can think of. It would also explain why the burner had insufficient air in the primary air shutter to burn cleanly and it would almost certainly cause carbon monoxide, an odourless, colorless, and most deadly off-gas of a vent-free fireplace.
If you can prove that the fireplaces your builder installed were set-up for natural gas, while knowing your home runs on propane, I think there is a great case for a lawsuit here, against both the builder and the contractor he employed, if not the gas inspector who should have checked the rating plate before approving the installation.
I hope you can work it out, but I think your builder and the installers have something to answer to.
Regards,
The Gasman Dec 28 '11
7:54 pm PST
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Dec 28 '11
8:01 pm PST
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Re:HATE IS SOMETHING YOU SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT... (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
To PingPingPow or whomever you are,
After reading the only submission you have made to this site, which incidentally, will never be seen in the light of day, by any non-members. I hope you go out today and buy yourself a couple of dozen vent-free stoves and hook them up yourself, all over your house, then fire them up and enjoy the resulting ambiance.
You are a disgusting individual, in my opinion.
Sincerely,
The Gasman
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Dec 28 '11
7:09 pm PST
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Re: Huh? (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Inkydinkydoo
Sorry for the delayed reply, I just now saw your comment. Thanks for making it...in the off chance that you see this reply. I appreciate your insightful response and hope you and your husband have since found something that suits your home. If not, send me an email at the_gas_man@hotmail.com and I'll try to help you find something that suits your size and budget. Please note, I do not sell products.
I am often scratching my own head about the same things you commented on, but have long since given up on trying to understand motives on these sites. They could be truly misled consumers or agents of vent-free manufacturers. It wouldn't be the first time one of them pretends to be a consumer and trys to confront me with gibberish.
Many, like the last one I responded to are worthy of the Darwin Award.
Thanks again for taking time to comment.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Dec 28 '11
6:58 pm PST
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Your Local Stove Shop HATES Vent Free Stoves.... (Reply to this comment)
by pingpingpow
and the Gasman is a representative of that group of disgruntled businessman. Stoves are HEAVY making them difficult to stock, store, display, move, and install, giving rise to the thousands of mom and pop stove shops across the US. Many of these businesses have made a living selling stoves to people who relied on them for everything from stove selection to delivery and install. It was/is a huge moneymaker.
Welcome to 2012. The party is over. Now a family in Boston or Seattle can buy a Vent Free NG or LP stove from a distributor anywhere in the world and have it delivered to their driveway on a pallet, eliminating most of the mark-up $$. They can then remove the top, and sides to lighten it up and two average size women can easily lift/move it into the living room. Set up is a breeze. No venting saves them an additional $1000-$1500.
Vent Free stoves are absolutely outstanding appliances. You breathe more harmful gases on an average trip to the store in your car, than you would in a month of constant stove use. Stoves are 99.9 efficient. If you believe the Gasman's hype, you should stop driving your car immediately - your very life depends on it.
I realize the Gasman won't agree. He hates Vent Free stoves. They killed his livelihood - I don't blame him
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Dec 23 '11
11:11 am PST
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Re: Re: everything is dangerous (Reply to this comment)
by mavernon
Dear Gasman,
Our builder installed a 2 vent free gas fireplaces in our home 4 years ago. we were upset when we found out about it but the installation company assured us that they were safe. We noticed a strong smell when we moved in. We have had 3 separate contractors come to our home to see if it can be fixed to remove the smell. No on e has been able to stop the strong smell. We just had the 4th fireplace contractor come to our home to inspect. He found that the Napoleon unit that was installed was a Natural Gas unit and we are fueled by LP gas. This was stamped on the serialnumber/ model number plate. We have never been able to have a large flame in the fireplace. I called the Napoleon factory in Canada and they confirmed that the serial number for one of our units was in fact a Natural Gas unit. Can the NG unit be converted to LP? We stopped using the fireplaces because we could not stand the smell and it gave us headaches.
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Mar 28 '11
5:14 pm PDT
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Huh? (Reply to this comment)
by inkydinkydoo
Dear Gasman,
I am scratching my head right now, wondering why the skeptics would choose to be skeptical about warnings of danger to themselves, yet believe in their own safety as if it were a pious duty. What could you, as an anonymous gas man, possibly gain from discouraging folks from using these appliances? You have pointed everyone in the right direction so that they can verify facts for themselves if they don't want to take your word for it - what more can you say? Maybe the skeptics are going for the Darwin Award.
I also thank you - I just saw one of these gas stoves at Menard's this evening, and the first thing my husband and I said was, "We'd better check this out on the internet - how can it be safe?" We're far from experts, so we defer to you and your well documented resources. We'll just have to find another method of heating our planned room addition without adding a second furnace. Running ductwork to the new space from the existing furnace would be so complicated that it is probably not worth considering. From what I am reading, the only safe unvented heating is an electric unit of some sort, but I have more research to do. I knew that cute little vent-free gas stove was too good to be true. Thanks again!
inkydinkydoo
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Mar 06 '11
12:31 am PST
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Re: everything is dangerous (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
I love it when another uninformed consumer tries illogical arguments to defend the dangerous practice of not venting gas fireplaces.
Your argument begins with the assumption that all of the things you mention are and have been unknown dangers to the health and safety of consumers, which is a totally false and foolish premise to start with.
My review, attempts to warn people of the dangers of an avoidable lifestyle choice and to persuade them to choose the much safer vented options. Do you pretend to suppose that there have been no warnings from the governments of the world with regards to those issues you have used as examples? There are warnings on cigarette packages, there has been warnings against choosing to smoke for decades and in many cases people choose to ignore those warnings and take an educated risk with their health. Driving without wearing your seatbelt is taking an unnecessary risk with your health and many governments warn against doing it, but many people still choose to take a known risk.
Where else on the internet do you see warnings about the use of vent-free gas appliances?
Similarly, your example of using your gas stove and not ventilating the kitchen simply shows your ignorance on this issue. I have stated many times that a stove top hob burner, operating at 5,000 to 8,000 Btu's per hour and set up to produce a clean blue jet-like flame, is nothing like a vent-free fireplace, which can be up to 40,000 Btu's per hour and is set up to simulate a wood burning fireplace with minimum primary and secondary air to generate a long, lazy looking yellow flame.
You can not twist the warnings I present in this review or any of the many others to suggest that this type of product is in any way similar to those types of known risks that consumers choose to do every day, like smoking, drinking, driving in excess of the speed limit, not wearing a seat belt and eating fast food. The effects from which the facts are readily available from government agencies as to what can happen and laws to set out in some of these problems to protect people from themselves.
As for the rest of your ridiculous arguments I shouldn't even comment, but really...to suggest that people are not aware of the dangers of guns and knives is so silly it's a child-like argument. If you really search the internet your will not find too many truthful statements from the manufacturers and distributors of vent-free fireplaces. That,... my silly friend, is what this review was intended to do, bring a little bit of balance back into perspective and offer people the other side of the facts, so that they can make informed choices.
Your suggestion seems to be that I shouldn't say anything if I see some newish technology that is dangerous, because there are so many dangerous things out there, one more is not relevent. I heartily disagree with your entire premise. I respect the consumer's right to choose to use candles, knowing very well they can cause a fire and taking precautions to prevent a fire. If they are going to "choose" to use a vent-free gas fireplace, they should also know the downside of their decision, in order to make their informed choice.
The Gasman
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Feb 14 '11
7:06 am PST
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everything is dangerous (Reply to this comment)
by arrow2fast
following your logic, Gasman, since we can trust the government with our safety, we should all smoke - after all I cannot think of one government which declared tobacco illegal - hence it follows it must be safer than ventfree fireplaces which are illegal.
While we at it, the government should not only ban gas cooktops (I forget to turn on my exhaust unless I fry things) but it also should stop all the suicidal candle-burning maniacs.
Candles not only produce bad gases and soot, but they are inherently more dangerous than ANY fireplace - they can tip over and burn your house!
Ban the candles!
and to think of dangers, all motorized vehicles should be declared illegal as there are so many more people killed by them every year than by ventfree fireplaces...
I won't even go into guns and knives, bungee jumps, using ANY electric devices, crossing the street and the inherent danger of choking while eating.
I hope you see my point - that if you don't use your common sense, or use ANYTHING not in the manner intended it can become dangerous to your health, safety and life.
Banning all things dangerous is stupid, not the ventfree fireplace!
BTW, I think they should also ban McDonald because junk food is dangerous to your health and some people burned themselves with hot coffee..
all hot coffee should be declared illegal.
this time I really mean it - I hate junk food...
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Feb 13 '11
9:51 am PST
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Re: Thank you, Gasman (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Rschse,
Thanks very much for your comments. I am always glad to hear someone turned away from something that has the potential to harm them in favor of a common sense approach.
You might want to consider a vented insert in your wood burning fireplace if you want heat without the fumes.
All the best for you and your family and thanks again for taking the time to leave your kind comments.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Nov 18 '10
10:30 am PST
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Re: Re: Re: Do your Research (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Schlaumeier,
I have been responding to skeptics for over 15 years now and your comments are highly typical of a person who is trying to justify something that makes no sense either just to be contrary or because you made the mistake before reading my article and now you need to prove you were right.
To begin with, I am not the only one who has taken an anti-vent-free approach. You will find warnings about their use on the American Lung Association website, the Mayo Clinic, the Center for disease control, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, and many members of the heating and air conditioning industry.
- Actually vent free gas logs are not fully approved in 48 states as my more recent article points out. 27 States either have outright bans or allow them with limitations and exceptions. Canada bans them completely and will continue to do so.
- Most people attempt to argue that a gas range is the same as a vent-free gas log. However a gas range is usually under a range hood which provides some ventilation. A gas range does not operate at 40,000 Btu's per hour, coninuously for several hours. Most importantly, a gas range is designed to burn gas properly with short blue flames and a proper air mixture for clean combustion. Gas vent-free logs on the other hand are designed to burn as yellow as possible to represent a wood fire, by depriving the burner of as much primary and secondary air as possible.
- Having never seen an approved vent free wood burning fireplace, I would suggest there is no such product to compare a vent-free gas log set with. All wood burning fireplaces and stoves are mandated to be connected to a chimney. What kind of fool would burn wood in their home without the benefit of a chimney taking away smoke?
- On your last point I congratulate you, I heartily agree that you could in fact make your vent-free gas log safer by opening up the damper on your chimney. Of course, it is now, no longer a vent-free gas log set and I very much endorse vented gas log sets.
- Please forward the source of your information regarding vent free inserts burning cleaner than vented units to meet indoor air quality requirements. I have no doubt it was published by either the Vent-Free Gas Products Alliance or one of their fine upstanding members.
It's all too easy to argue that you read something, somewhere, but before quoting them to support your beliefs, you should be prepared to supply the source of the information.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Nov 18 '10
10:23 am PST
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Thank you, Gasman (Reply to this comment)
by rschse
I have been wanting gas logs for several years. Every November for the past 3 years, we have looked at gas logs, but we are a very busy family with 4 kids, 2 with disabilities and I homeschool. I get very confused, then stop the effort. This year, we are set to go. Once again, I have been struggling with whether to get vent-free for more heat or vented which are safer and prettier. I am so thankful for your article Stupid is, As Stupid Does, which is one of our family's favorite quotes from Forrest Gump. I have vascillated betweeen vented and vent-free about 6 times over the last 2 weeks. Every time, I decide to go with vent-free, I feel very uncomfortable. Yesterday, we had a very bad experience at the store where we were going to buy the logs. It is like God is telling me NOT TO GO THERE. I talked to my father-in-law last night. He has not used his vent-free logs for about 13 years (I thought he had vented) due to immediate problems with them. Long story. Truly, gasman, your article is right on and you are heroic to continue for so long to inform a disbelieving and skeptic public. It is common sense that vent-free gas would be dangerous, something my body was telling me every time I decided to go with them. At this point, I think we are going to use our masonry fireplace for wood fires only,with damper wide open, and forget about the gas logs altogether. Thanks again for your courageous stand to inform the public of the truth. You have saved this family from trauma!
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Nov 18 '10
6:42 am PST
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Re: Re: Do your Research (Reply to this comment)
by schlaumeier
I am a litte sceptic about the negative presentation of vent free inserts by gasman. I read many good things about it and don't quite understand the logic
- How come vent free inserts are approved in 48 states if they are really so dangerous?
- How are they different from let's say a natural gas stove in your kitchen? Both burn fuel inside your home and are not vented
- Are they really worse than a wood burning fire?I hightly doubt that. Firewood produces a lot more dangerous pollution inside your home, but I have not heard many complaints about it.
- What prevents you from operating the insert with the vent slightly open to allow for exhaust while still producting heat?
- I read that a vent free insert burns a lot cleaner than a vented one, because it has to in order to fulfill indoor air quality requirements. That sounds like a good thing.
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Nov 11 '10
9:40 pm PST
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Re: Do your Research (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Ventlessgas,
If you've read any of my reviews on this subject you would know that I don't really care where you do your research, they are all dangerous to the health and welfare of people who choose to use them. I am not impressed by sites like "EBAY", where even worse products than I have described often appear without any approvals in the USA.
The only probable reason for someone to sell a newish vent-free heater on EBAY would likely be because they have had a bad experience with it and want to be rid of it cheaply, while recapturing some of their initial costs.
Thanks for signing up to Epinions to promote a site that sells other peoples garbage, in this case, more often than not.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Mar 01 '10
4:57 pm PST
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Do your Research (Reply to this comment)
by ventlessgas
You should always do your research when looking at vent-free fireplaces. Some of them are complete rip offs. You can find good deals on sites like EBay if you are looking to buy.
http://www.ventless-gas-heaters.com
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Feb 27 '10
10:51 am PST
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Re: I had no idea! (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Dear Chaddican,
I am very glad that you took something away from my review that pointed you in a safe direction and that you took the time to make your feelings known. It's been a long uphill battle to convince many consumers of the obvious dangers these products represent. Sometimes I feel as though I am losing the fight, but if I get one or two or even a hundred people who agree with me and see the danger, I feel my mission has not been in vain.
I know that you will choose something that is safe for both you and your family and that you will not experience the very devastating experience of coming home to loved ones who are either comatose or worse. You will also be spared the eventual pain of seeing the inside of your home coated in soot, even if no one inside was injured in the event, there is pain and anguish in seeing your belongings damaged beyond repair and hearing the insurance agent possibly telling you they don't cover the loss. (As State Farm told one client I was asked to consult with involving tens of thousands of damages to the home and their belongings.)
As I often say, "when", not if your gas appliance fails, your home is infinitely more safe from damages with a vented and sealed combustion fireplace (direct vent) than with a vent-free.
Thanks again for making your thoughts known.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Feb 12 '10
5:46 pm PST
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I had no idea! (Reply to this comment)
by chaddican
I've been told by friends who had vent free fireplaces how great they were and how much better they were at heating their homes. I had no idea about the other side of the story; the dangers. That's it, my plans just changed when it comes to my renovations; ventless out of the plans.
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Jan 27 '10
1:31 pm PST
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Re: Re: Thank You (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Thanks Ginzo,
Support is always appreciated.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Dec 06 '09
2:20 pm PST
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Re: Thank You (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
Pomfrit,
Thanks for going with the best choice for the health of your family. If I helped you to make that choice, I feel good about what I write here.
Regards,
The Gasman
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Dec 06 '09
2:19 pm PST
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Re: Thank You (Reply to this comment)
by ginzo
Smart
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Dec 05 '09
9:54 am PST
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Thank You (Reply to this comment)
by pomfrit
I read your very informative review on the dangers of ventless fireplaces when googling "ventless fireplace reviews" and I am so glad I came across your reviews on how unsafe they really are. We were thinking of installing one in our new home but I am telling my husband to forgo the asthetics. We also have an infant and the thought of something going wrong with one of these things for any reason is just not worth the risk to our family.
Thank you.
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Dec 04 '09
7:26 pm PST
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Re: Soot Damage From Ventless Gas Logs (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
The best advice for your situation is to accept your losses, write off the gas log set and invest in a vented insert. You may want to look for a reputable hearth company that stands behind their products and work better than the last one did.
Your's is the very kind of case I write to warn people about. Sure there are people who buy these and love them, but then there's the one that is installed wrong, or comes defective from the factory and who pays the price? You know...
Sorry about your troubles but, you can't say I didn't warn you.
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Apr 28 '09
1:56 pm PDT
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Soot Damage From Ventless Gas Logs (Reply to this comment)
by joyceky
I purchased my first set of logs in 2007 they never operated as they were suppose too.
They were finally replaced with the 2nd set in Oct
2008. This set was suppose to be better than the first ones that were varable setting (Never worked
as varable)I had noticed soot streaks and had my furnace checked to see if that was the problem. But it was ok, called Eastwood Stove to come out and check the logs and they only determined that the variable setting was a problem.
They replaced these logs with a new set months later.
New ones were higher BTU so they said. The smell from the logs continued to cause headaches and I could only use them for short periods and turn off and wait and turn back on.
Then I noticed that the soot problem had increased damaged every room in my house. The ceilings were streaked the carpets had soot along the baseboards, and the white carpet in my bedroom was now gray.
I actually have one wall in a hall upstairs that has BLACK streaks around pictures. A wall that I had painted at the same time as the logs were installed has a layer of soot.
When I finally convinced the dealer to come back out he took pictures of the logs,fireplace,walls,etc. and his reply was I don't know what in the "H" we are going to do.
He left saying he would contact me in 3 days.
I have yet to receive that call. They refuse to return calls after leaving a multitude of messages.
They only acted after I contacted the BBB and they sent a letter. That forced them to take one step, send an adjusted out. Nothng else has been done. I am angry, my house is a mess and I want the logs removed and my money refunded.
I have friends that have the ventless logs and love them they have not had any of the problems that I have incountered.
I would like to know if anyone else has experience
a soot problem to the extreme that I have. And any suggestions as to what I should do next.
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Mar 31 '09
9:09 pm PDT
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Re: I am glad I didn`t purchase VENT-FREE! (Reply to this comment)
by the_gas_man
When it gets cold outside as it is today, you will enjoy the healthy freshness of the air in your home, so much more.
Thank you Mirella, for taking time to read about vent-free products and choosing something that may cost you a little more, but will never impair your health over time or even kill you in your sleep.
Thank you for taking time to leave me a comment. It's just as good as a breath of fresh air whenever I read comments like yours. Downright invigorating!
It makes one feel as though there may still be hope for those on the side of good old fashioned common sense to win this battle.
Keep warm and healthy Mirella.
Kind regards,
The Gasman
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Jan 16 '09
6:09 am PST
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I am glad I didn`t purchase VENT-FREE! (Reply to this comment)
by mirella
I read a lot of negative reviews on the vent free stove fireplaces. I returned the unit immediately and bought a vented one. The gas man make perfect sense. I certainly wouldn`t want to inhale all that crap into my lungs from a vent-less stove.
Thank you so much gas man!!! I couldn`t have made a better choice. Yes it is more expensive,but worth every penny of it.Health is more important than money!!!!
I cannot believe anyone would still purchase a vent-free product after reading these horrible, truthful and no -brainer reviews!They should be outlawed every where!
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Jan 15 '09
2:29 pm PST
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