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When It Comes To Michael Schiavo... (Reply to this comment)
by AinsleyJo
...I don't exactly see him as Husband Of The Year (an understatement). I wonder where he is now. Haven't heard too much out of him except that he did bury Terri's ashes in Florida instead of Pennsylvania and announced on her tombstone that he had carried out her wishes. (I'll just bet!)
Anyway, I recently saw a document on the origin of A.I.D.S., and it isn't a gay disease.
It WAS brought about by sin, however--a sin that had nothing whatsoever to do with sex (other than people having it could spread it with sexual contact).
The sin!?!
Some Africans were being used as guina pigs without their knowledge when two different versions of the polio vaccine was being tried out on them.
One of those versions caused A.I.D.S.
A group of helpless, trusting people being LIED to was what first brought about A.I.D.S.
Write On!
AJ :o)
http://www.epinions.com/content_4423786628
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Jul 03 '05
7:20 pm PDT
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TO THE PARTICIPANTS OF THIS WRITEOFF (Reply to this comment)
by xxneoconxx
I have posted a unique perspective on the matter of gay marriage at the following link: http://www.epinions.com/content_4419985540
Those interested in hearing from more than one side on the issue are encouraged to check it out.
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Jul 03 '05
9:38 am PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by jay1051971
Preferably between two people, although I suppose that is not strictly necessary.
Phew! Thank god.... For a minute there, I thought I was in trouble.... ;)
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May 31 '05
12:47 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
in yours and Doc's new government, can I be an intern...Of course-as long as you aren't related to Monica. Err...what do intern's do in a government? ....see how ignorant I am? Not exactly fit for office.
Maybe my next life.
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May 02 '05
10:09 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: My dear Jude... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Is it time for us to make the bid for World Rulers yet?
No. I need a haircut. So if you are president what does that make me? George Bush Sr? I don't want to be Cheney. If it is a matter of timing, we better do it before George takes away the right to vote. Ya think?
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May 02 '05
10:07 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by dizzybint
Urg.. I hate it when Eps does that but I've fixed it now.
By the way... in yours and Doc's new government, can I be an intern? LOL
Caroline
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May 01 '05
8:26 am PDT
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Re: Re: My dear Jude... (Reply to this comment)
by drdevience
I would make a terrible politician.
That you think that is exactly why the opposite would be true. Is it time for us to make the bid for World Rulers yet?
PresidentialDoc
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May 01 '05
8:13 am PDT
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Re: My dear Jude... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Marsha, thanks for the support, and the love. It is much appreciated. However, I have to decline the nomination. I would make a terrible politician.
Mom has a much purer heart than me, but I am flattered that you think I may have some of that. Stay well
Jude
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May 01 '05
12:11 am PDT
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Re: Well Done (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Thanks!
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May 01 '05
12:07 am PDT
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Re: Bravo, bravo... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
No Vincent, I still think theres hope! But then I was out meeting and greeting a few people and I am not in my right mind.
Boy I hate to see you be so glum though. I think people of good cosncience and right hearts can still make a difference. But never without sacrifice, it seems.
Thanks so much for the comment. It made me feel like it was worth publishing this editorial for a change.
You know how I have appreciated your rationality on all things political. I already know if I need to find the facts on an issue you have taken up to discuss, it will be found in your writing.
You really are a hero to me.
Jude
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May 01 '05
12:06 am PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Caroline-thatns for your support, so emphatic you published it three times! I appreciate it-a lot.
Jude
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May 01 '05
12:00 am PDT
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Re: Re: Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
OK. I won't. But I may still regret it.
Jude
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Apr 30 '05
11:59 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Chad-not to worry. I don't think he's coming back. LOL.
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Apr 30 '05
11:58 pm PDT
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My dear Jude... (Reply to this comment)
by katmar
I think you should run for President. I would vote for you in a heartbeat.
And, speaking of hearts, I believe you have more than a little of Virginia's beautiful heart inside of you. As well as many of her other enviable virtues. God bless you.
Marsha
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Apr 30 '05
7:48 pm PDT
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Well Done (Reply to this comment)
by SurgRN911
Nuff said!
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Apr 29 '05
6:48 pm PDT
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Bravo, bravo... (Reply to this comment)
by vemartin
Jude, your thoughts are always enlightening and dare I say, visionary! I love this country, but I fear that its people will fail her, and we as a society will never live up to the principles that founded a nation that is supposed to uphold the freedom and equality of all.
Vincent
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Apr 29 '05
10:25 am PDT
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Re: Re: Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by dizzybint
maybe the last paragraph should have been all I wrote
No way. You're an intelligent, caring person and are just as entitled to present your feelings and views as anyone else is. For what it's worth, you have my vote of confidence.
Caroline
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Apr 29 '05
8:39 am PDT
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Re: Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by drdevience
If you want me to delete my response, I would even consider it .
Don't you dare.
Doc
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Apr 29 '05
8:30 am PDT
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Re: Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by lemon_lime
Jude,
No, no, please don't delete your comment - I didn't think it was out of line or anything, I just saw the possibility of things escalating, and I wanted to say something before they did, just in case...
Talking is good, dialogue is healthy!
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Apr 28 '05
10:40 pm PDT
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Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
but I do hope you guys can play nice and not get too nasty about it (which you haven't, thus far)...otherwise it would go against the spirit of the write off itself. :) ....I was just feeling defensive, and I was pointedly not attacking anyone else's views. So I am a little hurt by the sarcasm remark, which to me is more my style than a deliberate slam to anyone BUT the ignorant, or the implication that I was telling lies-, but as far as I am concerned, it has all been handled in a very civil manner. Psassionate discussion should not be construed as playing nasty. Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything. I think we are still just talking here. Not to worry Chad. I'll play nice. Really. If you want me to delete my response, I would even consider it .
Jude
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Apr 28 '05
5:35 pm PDT
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... (Reply to this comment)
by lemon_lime
Jude,
A thousand thanks for taking part in this write-off...I appreciated your entry and the time you put into it.
I also know that Gavia seemed to attack you in public through his comments, and you felt the need to respond in kind. I understand the need for you to do this, but I do hope you guys can play nice and not get too nasty about it (which you haven't, thus far)...otherwise it would go against the spirit of the write off itself. :)
Cheers,
Chad.
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Apr 28 '05
4:25 pm PDT
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Re: Yeah (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
the fruit never rolls far from the tree. But maybe in my case it is a little overripe. Love ya Mom.
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Apr 28 '05
2:46 pm PDT
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Re: Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Caroline-maybe the last paragraph should have been all I wrote. LOL. Thanks!
Jude
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Apr 28 '05
2:45 pm PDT
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Re: Lots of words resonate... (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Chris, thanks so much. I needed that.
Jude
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Apr 28 '05
2:44 pm PDT
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Re: Interesting (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
My understanding of laws about marriage and divorce were thjat they were STATE not federal laws, and at very least should be kept that way. I don't think it should be written into the constitution. Thatis just absurd. Yes indeed Let's talk about this, if you are sill so inclined come Saturday! Thanks for the comment Bryan.
Jude
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Apr 28 '05
2:43 pm PDT
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Re: Hey, Jude---- (Reply to this comment)
by artbyjude
Gavia-Thanks for your comment. I debated not responding, since I suspect what you really wanted was to chastise me in public- something I pointedly did NOT do to you or anyone else with whom I may have disagreements in this write-off. But I have never responded well to this sort of thing, so I find I can’t just turn the other cheek. Not very Christian of me, is it?
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You said: I know, let us just all be ignorant! That should save the world.
I think it's a REALLY bad habit to characterize people who see the world differently than we do as "ignorant." Sarcasm isn't much help, either.
First of all if you knew me you would not need to make that remark , because sarcasm for all its ugliness is part of who I am.. I make no apologies.
However, my reference to “Let’s all be ignorant” is to those people who see AIDS as solely the problem of the gay community, and not as the world epidemic that it truly is. And it really has nothing to do with your VIEWS on the issue, it has to do with facts–people are dying of AIDS, women children, whole communities. This is yet another issue that the majority of Americans seem to know nothing about.
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““What you do to the least of my brothers you do to ME”” is the way I believe God is looking on our continued persecution of minorities in this country.
"---continued persecution of minorities in this country"? Sorry--I think you are seeing the wrong side of that particular coin!
What am I missing then? Just because I looked at the picture and interpreted it differently than you (and probably everyone else) does it mean that I am wrong? I wasn’t aware that there was an answer to the picture questions. I thought that was supposed to be our emotional response.
Do you mean you think that gay people are NOT being victimized? Are we living on the same planet? I see gays victimized, blacks victimized, and those people out of a job being victimized every single day.
3. It is polarizing because Christians (myself included) have an unfortunate tendency to judge others.
A tendency common to nearly all human beings, CERTAINLY not unique to Christians!
OK I will concede that point. However Christians do seem to pick their sins based on consensus, which in no way relates to the ten commandments. One sin is OK when another is not? It is OK to gossip about and berate your neighbors, but it is not OK to be gay. It is OK to be an adulterer, but not gay. It is OK to lie, cheat on your income taxes, and ignore someone who needs your help, but being Gay? That’s a sin. It goes on and on my friend. I can only speak of Christians because I thought I was one...
4. Some even try to convince you by saying that God is talking to them.
I have a LOT of fear and distrust of people that think they KNOW the final and absolute truth about things---whether the source is God's voice, science, or any other "source."
I’m glad you feel that way. Too bad it did not keep George Bush from being elected again.
5. I believe people in religious communities would not be incensed to this issue if religious leaders were not taking them that direction.
That may be true of a few well-known fundamentalist evangelical preachers, but certainly not Christian leaders generally.
We probably have experienced this differently. I was in Church when the preacher announced Bush’s war on Iraq.
---if he (or she) really preached tolerance, love and understanding, the flock would either come around to their beliefs or go find another church more suited to what they believe.
Most really DO preach tolerance, love and understanding. I've never come across one who didn't in the Lutheran churches we sometimes attend. Many Liberals tend to paint Christians and churches with far too broad a brush---based on their reactions to people like Falwell---who is by NO means a typical Christian---or a spokesman for Christianity! Most Christians do not identify with the fundamentalist Christian right that Falwell represents. Or with the Pope, either!
I hope you are right. However, my lasting impression from the Lutheran Church I attended for 4 years is this: Our preacher drove a Mercedes and lived in an expensive home far from his parishioners. I had noted this and it did not bother me:-until one day I saw him taking a woman l apart as he stood at the door of the church after services, for not giving enough to the weekly collection-when she was holding down two jobs with 4 kids to provide for, with a husband out of work. He never once asked her how she was, but continued to humiliate her in front of all the other parishioners, so that she was too embarrassed to return to that church. That woman, by the way, was my mother.
So you can defend the religious right as it is your privilege to do so, but you cannot convince me that organized religion does not exist mostly for its own sake.
6. ---the Chiaivo death watch---a family member---told me that her minister said that the husband
““---was evil. He had a life insurance policy on Terri and wanted her to die. He had abused her””.
Preposterous, and incredibly inappropriate! Hard for me to imagine such allegations from a Christian pulpit!
I agree that it was uncalled for, but not so preposterous, as they were trying to rally political support to affect the process. And since you don’t know me I will forgive you the implication. I am not a liar. I lack the ability, or the tact.
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I heard similar church based sentiments on the war in Iraq.. None of this had any basis in fact.
I would double-check sources on that. Sounds unlikely to me---but there are all kinds out there---even in the pulpit. But such sentiments would be WAY out of character in any church I've ever attended! Maybe I misunderstand what you mean by "church-based sentiments."
I was there for that. It was the last time I went to church, and I get along fine with God without exposing myself to mass hysteria and hypocrisy. So since the source is me, I have no need to check it.
I noticed that you did not refute my statement about the piped in message to church services about filibustering. That is of course a matter of public record.
My purpose was not to offend in any way, and if I have, I apologize. I do believe that well meaning people are being misled, and that their faith is being used to control them for political, not spiritual reasons. I don’t expect you to agree. I also don’t believe allowing gay marriage will cause a revolution in this country. (They said that about women attaining the right to vote too, by the way) I believe that is much more likely to come from the rapid ascent of the wealthy,. the elimination of the middle class, and the growing number of unemployed.
But I do appreciate your comments, because it led to my thinking some more about the issue. And I do admire your passion in your beliefs, and respectfully reserve the right to disagree.
Jude
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Apr 28 '05
2:31 pm PDT
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Re: Interesting (Reply to this comment)
by gaviidae
Hi Bryan--
You said:
I never understood why government is in the business of approving and licensing marriages in the first place.
Much of the law has to do with enforcing contracts and resolving contract disputes, and enforcing such laws is a primary function of government. I can see NO reason why the marriage contract would be excluded. It IS a contract---and one of the most important in our civilization, isn't it?
Although it's contract between two individuals, there is a larger social and community interest in such contracts---especially when they fail or are broken!
Gavia
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Apr 28 '05
9:53 am PDT
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Hey, Jude---- (Reply to this comment)
by gaviidae
---interesting responses to these questions, and many I would agree with. But not all---
Brief comments:
You said: I know, let us just all be ignorant! That should save the world.
I think it's a REALLY bad habit to characterize people who see the world differently than we do as "ignorant." Sarcasm isn't much help, either.
“What you do to the least of my brothers you do to ME” is the way I believe God is looking on our continued persecution of minorities in this country.
"---continued persecution of minorities in this country"? Sorry--I think you are seeing the wrong side of that particular coin!
It is polarizing because Christians (myself included) have an unfortunate tendency to judge others.
A tendency common to nearly all human beings, CERTAINLY not unique to Christians!
Some even try to convince you be saying that God is talking to them.
I have a LOT of fear and distrust of people that think they KNOW the final and absolute truth about things---whether the source is God's voice, science, or any other "source."
I believe people in religious communities would not be incensed to this issue if religious leaders were not taking them that direction.
That may be true of a few well-known fundamentalist evangelical preachers, but certainly not Christian leaders generally.
---if he (or she) really preached tolerance, love and understanding, the flock would either come around to their beliefs or go find another church more suited to what they believe.
Most really DO preach tolerance, love and understanding. I've never come across one who didn't in the Lutheran churchs we sometimes attend. Many Liberals tend to paint Christians and churches with far too broad a brush---based on their reactions to people like Falwell---who is by NO means a typical Christian---or a spokesman for Christianity! Most Christians do not identify with the fundamentalist Christian right that Falwell represents. Or with the Pope, either!
---the Chiaivo death watch---a family member---told me that her minister said that the husband
“---was evil. He had a life insurance policy on Terri and wanted her to die. He had abused her”.
Preposterous, and incredibly inappropriate! Hard for me to imagine such allegations from a Christian pulpit!
I heard similar church based sentiments on the war in Iraq.. None of this had any basis in fact.
I would double-check sources on that. Sounds unlikely to me---but there are all kinds out there---even in the pulpit. But such sentiments would be WAY out of character in any church I've ever attended! Maybe I misunderstand what you mean by "church-based sentiments."
Thanks for sharing! Not surprising that ideas and experiences vary a LOT on these subjects!
Gavia
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Apr 28 '05
9:43 am PDT
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Yeah (Reply to this comment)
by Granniemose
You make me proud.
Mom
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Apr 27 '05
8:56 pm PDT
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Absolutely right (Reply to this comment)
by dizzybint
Brilliant; your last paragraph says it all.
Caroline
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Apr 27 '05
5:43 pm PDT
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