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by xxshruthixx
I'm sorry to say that I feel that this article has barely any legitimate points. What were you trying to get across to the reader / viewer by writing this article? That Kanye West completely sucks?
First of all, I agree that Kanye West may have BASED his particular style off someone else's style from before, but that doesn't mean that he is an egotistic jerk, and that he has no originality. West adds his OWN style to what he apparently "took credit for" from RZA in the Wu-Tang Clan.
Second of all, you seem to be portraying a rather strong hatred for Rap. I'll once again, agree that there are many rap artists who write music about cars, wealth, girls, unimportant details. But if you take the time to listen to some of Kanye West's songs, there are quite a few that have beautiful meanings. And honestly, your last line saying " It is lines like this which reinforce the fact that Kanye dropped out of college." is completely and utterly ridiculous. Why would someone want to emphasize a point which he or she may not necessarily be proud of? Most people like to "show of" what they are good at, not what they wish they had done better in.
And his quote “What I’m doing is bigger then rap, it’s bigger then music itself.” may be slightly egotistic, but that doesn't give you the right to make accusatory statements about Kanye West's personality. In fact, you have no right to make assumptions about someone you don't even know personally, let alone even met.
All in all, this article has absolutely no point whatsoever. Your points aren't valid, there are no legitimate statistics, and the only point that I got out of this article is that you hate Kanye West. In other words, your only motive was to write slander and calumny about Kanye West. My suggestions are you revise or completely rewrite this article using more supportive details and statistics to prove your point.
- Shruthi
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Nov 01 '09
8:20 pm PST
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Re: Re: Re: Wow... (Reply to this comment)
by wakeuptimebomb
chill. read the comment before yours, that should clear things up.
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May 24 '07
6:16 pm PDT
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Re: Wow... (Reply to this comment)
by wakeuptimebomb
read up, son. i consider em to be the most talented mc of all time, so hop off.
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May 20 '07
10:14 am PDT
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Re: Nuff' Said (Reply to this comment)
by wakeuptimebomb
for the record, i wrote this mad long ago and no longer agree with basically any of it.
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Apr 01 '07
7:49 pm PDT
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Nuff' Said (Reply to this comment)
by boombangin
I couldn't agree more with the writer of this Kanye critique. West is butt.
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Feb 15 '06
12:39 pm PST
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You're Right (Reply to this comment)
by dantegrim
I've never liked Kanye, bar 2 or 3 songs, and can't see why others praise him. First off, he has no real lyrical skills, except that he appeals to a certain demographic. His punchlines are weak, metaphors almost non-existant, wordplay is garbage, the only thing he can do (and poorly at that) is rap about subjects that get people's interest. It's not hard to appeal to that demographic of listeners because touchy subjects are all around us. Sure, his beats are good, but they're nothing special. I've actually spoken to people who claim that Kanye West is the best rapper ever. That statement, in my eyes, has about as much merit as I could give somebody who said one of their main influences was MC Hammer. Nice Article
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Dec 31 '05
4:48 am PST
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Re: Lies (Reply to this comment)
by wakeuptimebomb
It's obvious your music tastes are limited to mainstream and if you went beyond that you'd know what REAL rap sounds like. Is Kanye as bad as 50? Not necesarrily, but he's pretty damn close and is using the same formula for success that 50 used and is making sh*tty music and making millions off of it.
Dude dosen't have sh*t to say. When your best rhyme is about MAYONAISE, that's when you know you're not a very srerious rapper.
And all your other arguments are addressed in my article. Re-read it if you want. Kanye's best song isn't written by him. Thats the only place he has something to say. He's encouraging dudes to drop out of college so they can walk around wit popped collars and a backpack like Louis Veton whateverthef*ck he calls himself these days.
Peace
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Jul 02 '05
8:16 am PDT
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Lies (Reply to this comment)
by blitz_fusion
Im sorry but i think that is all crap, and you practically say that in ur replies.
The ONLY thing i can agree with you about is that he is arrogant, but he has good reason to, as he states in his song Last Call, on the College Dropout...
"Some say he arrogant. Can y'all blame him?
It was straight embarrassing how y'all played him
Last year shoppin my demo, I was tryin' to shine
Every mother****** told me that I couldn't rhyme
Now I could let these dream killers kill my self-esteem
Or use my arrogance as the steam to power my dreams
I use it as my gas, so they say that I'm gassed
But without it I'd be last, so I ought to laugh"
Basically, hes angry that no1 said he could get anywhere, and now he has, hes laughin at them and enjoying it.
And also everyone is arrogant when there at the top of there game. A perfect example of this is basketball players. There encouraged to think there the best ever as it increases there confidence so they preform better. This is the same with KanYe
Nas etc have all fallen off and i think KanYe is better then he is atm. Fine he cant touch Illmatic (which isnt a 5 mic IMO, (4.5)) and hes wrong 2 say he is but thats Kanye.
Hes the most talented rapper or producer around atm (Dre isnt doin shat all but bumming 50 cent and eminem wheras he has detox to make).
I have so much resentment for 50 cent etc. If i had a loaded gun and no consequences i would head strait towards 50. It would either kill him or let him have another album about how hard he is surviving hits in his arms and legs and other non critial places. 2Pac got shot ok. He got shot in the F*uckin head, nuts and chest. Hes a Gangsta. Same with Big. 50 and bumboys arent. I hope they all die. There the biggest waste of time out at the moment.
KanYe is NOTHING like them.
That is one thing definate about KanYe. He is no 50 cent and he doesnt rap about stupid things. He has rascism etc and real things to rap about.
50 cent makes beef for no reason simply because hes got nothin else 2 talk about and people are sick and tired of the i got shot shlt,
He doesnt rap about eminem chingy and 50 stuff. He raps about rascism, love and how he got to where he is now.
IMO he is the future of hip hop and rap, and i welcome and respect him.
Name me some people you think arent jokes (in the mainstream of rap and hip hop) and ill argue my point even further.
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Jun 30 '05
9:23 am PDT
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Re: hey (Reply to this comment)
by kyklops
I completely agree that NaS is a hypocrite. And he is arrogant, but he has more reason to be than Kanye does.
Not really. As far as I'm concerned, Nas is a lazy bastard and an underachiever who is content to endlessly remind us that he made "Illmatic" and then use that as an excuse to slip into commercialism and thug cliches. The fact that he joined the Tupac-d*ckriding bandwagon only cemented my contempt for him because it proved to me his willingness to cash in on popular trends (the irony being, of course, that Pac had beef with Nas when he was alive).
I agree that Kanye DOES have more talent than the rappers I listed, but my point is that he is no exception to the cliches of mainstream rap. He's more talented than them, but he's rhyming about the same things, and his music is really no different from theirs. I got sick of Kanye's "charm" pretty quick, but I kind of know what you're talking about.
There are a lot of rappers who conform to cliches. While I don't necesarily approve of this, I still give them credit where credit is due for doing it their way. The difference between Kanye and those artists I mentioned is that Kanye sells pretty good (though not spectacular) and fairly intelligent (though not overly clever) lyrics paired with some excellent production. 50, Lil Jon, and Chingy sell obnoxiously loud bass bottoms and catchy hooks, with the lyrics being a complete afterthought (plus, all of them rely on gimmicks - 50's being his criminal background, Jon's being his inane chanting, and Chingy's being his use of "urrr" words).
His rhymes are just honestly too simple for my taste, and his beats are getting really annoying. Like on Common's new album, which he produced something like 9 out of 11 tracks on, he uses the sped up sample style and it almost ruins the song.
True, but when I first heard "College Dropout", his production sounded fresh because there weren't Kanye-produced sons on the radio every ten seconds. I'm a huge fan of G-Funk, but I'm pretty sure I would have been tired of the mid-90s' when G-Funk songs were the ONLY thing being played on hip-hop stations.
Yes, Kanye's rhymes are a bit simple, but then again, so are many famous rappers' rhymes (including Tupac's, frankly). I never said he's a particularly talented lyricist, though - just a clever one at times.
On the other hand, when he branches out and uses different styles not involving an old jazz/soul sampled voice, it results in an amazing beat.
Indeed. I really liked "Throw Your Hands (In The Air)" by Mobb Deep (which he produced). I believe that song uses a Cold Crush sample.
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Jun 09 '05
3:45 pm PDT
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by wakeuptimebomb
For whoever is interested, here's a song from his new album. It pretty much shows everything I'm talking about in the review.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/audio/hottraxx/kanye_west_f_rhymefest-brand_new.ram
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May 18 '05
3:32 pm PDT
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by wakeuptimebomb
"Kanye is extremely overrated as a producer and rapper. I'll give you that. And he is an arrogant bastard at times (alas, so is Nas, more often than not, as well as a hypocrite)."
I completely agree that NaS is a hypocrite. And he is arrogant, but he has more reason to be than Kanye does.
"On the other hand, comparing him to 50 Cent, Lil Jon, or Chingy is still inappropriate, IMO. Yes, you could argue that he tends to slip into commercialism more than his fans are willing to admit, but at the very least, he's not nearly as cliched, unoriginal, or just plain untalented as those other artists. I think there's a sophistication and charm behind his raps that really makes them interesting, even when he does talk about cars and sh*t like that. And I don't think he really milks his car accident as a gimmick the way 50 Cent milks his 9-time shooting. As far as his beats go, his style is far less sparse than the RZA, but I think he really does have a knack for choosing great samples. He just shouldn't rely on them so much as a crutch the way he does at times."
I agree that Kanye DOES have more talent than the rappers I listed, but my point is that he is no exception to the cliches of mainstream rap. He's more talented than them, but he's rhyming about the same things, and his music is really no different from theirs. I got sick of Kanye's "charm" pretty quick, but I kind of know what you're talking about. His rhymes are just honestly too simple for my taste, and his beats are getting really annoying. Like on Common's new album, which he produced something like 9 out of 11 tracks on, he uses the sped up sample style and it almost ruins the song. On the other hand, when he branches out and uses different styles not involving an old jazz/soul sampled voice, it results in an amazing beat.
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May 18 '05
9:49 am PDT
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Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by kyklops
Kanye is extremely overrated as a producer and rapper. I'll give you that. And he is an arrogant bastard at times (alas, so is Nas, more often than not, as well as a hypocrite).
On the other hand, comparing him to 50 Cent, Lil Jon, or Chingy is still inappropriate, IMO. Yes, you could argue that he tends to slip into commercialism more than his fans are willing to admit, but at the very least, he's not nearly as cliched, unoriginal, or just plain untalented as those other artists. I think there's a sophistication and charm behind his raps that really makes them interesting, even when he does talk about cars and sh*t like that. And I don't think he really milks his car accident as a gimmick the way 50 Cent milks his 9-time shooting. As far as his beats go, his style is far less sparse than the RZA, but I think he really does have a knack for choosing great samples. He just shouldn't rely on them so much as a crutch the way he does at times.
I really enjoyed "College Dropout" a lot, but it was definitely NOT 2004's best album, and Kanye is an ignorant a**hole if he thinks he even begins to approach Nasir Jones' or Ras Kass' talent as an MC.
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May 16 '05
5:06 pm PDT
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by madtheory
In total agreement. I'm anxiously waiting Com's next album, but I already know I'm in for some disappointment since Kanye touches the mic on it. Great piece.
-mad
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May 12 '05
9:34 am PDT
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Re: Damn (Reply to this comment)
by shiffy
I agree, excellent work. I dont even think i could get through writing something like this, cause Ive grown to hate almost everything about the man.
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May 11 '05
6:53 pm PDT
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Damn (Reply to this comment)
by vadimio
This is the best diss article I've ever read. Better than anything in Vibe or Source... definitely one of the best critique pieces on Epinions. You should write more.
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May 11 '05
5:32 pm PDT
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