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My analogy (Reply to this comment)
by johnnnyz
Having the primary safety on the trigger is like having a dead bolt directly controlled by the door handle.
There is no safety on a Glock.
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Nov 12 '09
4:50 pm PST
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Partially disappointed in glock (Reply to this comment)
by ynot16602
I agree, I'm somewhat disappointed in my Glock 19 and think I would have done better with an XD. To it's credit;I think it's an excellant carry gun. I'm not concerned about the lack of a saftey so long as the guns in a holster and the key is practicing a safe draw. Always index you finger along side the gun, never in the trigger guard. To me concealabilty with a paddle holster is not an issue, I use a Fobus and it hides nicly under a shirt, perhaps it's my build.
What I don't like; It's so-so accurate. I'm used to a single action trigger like my Kimber & Tangfoglio, those are target accurate! The Glock I'd call "combat accurate". I can put all shots in center mass from 25yds no problem. But there not the nice clover pattern I get from the other guns. It's light and comfortable to carry. It's indestructable, I've dropped it, shot it dirty, it just always works. Did I mention it's light! Most importantly it always goes bang, no matter what ammo I use, Wal-mart stuff, reloads, Hydra-shock.. it just shoots it all. Oh did I mention... it's light! Mine has the Glock Tritium sight and I love them, worth the extra money. And the thing I like the most... it's light!
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Aug 27 '08
5:55 pm PDT
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Re: Really safe (Reply to this comment)
by geosighter
zymac has it exactly right. The Glock 19 is the only gun I carry, and I carry it with the chamber empty. I believe there is no safer way to carry a loaded gun. I can rack the slide faster than I can draw.
Here are the other reasons I love the G19:
o It's easy to point and shoot multiple rounds quickly and accurately.
o It's extremely reliable.
o I clean mine after every use. It's quick and easy to disassemble for cleaning. I also own a Kahr PM-9, which is much harder to disassemble, and much harder to shoot.
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Apr 30 '08
6:51 am PDT
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Glock 19 (Reply to this comment)
by phillyglocker
I disagree totally with the writer of this review. The Glock 19, IMO, is the best 9mm on the market. If you practicing drawing, as I do, your finger accidentally activating the trigger safety is a non-issue. I've drawn my pistol thousands of times and have never had an accidental discharge as have millions of other Glock owners. I value the writer's opinion, but disagree with him advising others to stay away from Glocks. Glocks are one of the most reliable pistols ever. Let others judge for themselves. You'll find that the writer's opinion is very much in the minority.
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Dec 24 '07
4:58 pm PST
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Re: Unsafe safety (Reply to this comment)
by deputydad
Sounds to me like Nebraska is not exactly hiring the professionals that California does. I understand how an inbred hillbilly could have an A-D and shoot themselves, but a real cop? Not a chance. Suicide blamed on the Glock? They have NEVER lost a civil suit because they are the best in the business. I have been in two shootings and my Glock performed beautifully at 11 feet and 43 feet. Both losers are now pushing up weeds somewhere that maggots reside. No nightmares here. Glock is the soother!!!
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Dec 19 '07
3:18 pm PST
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Really safe (Reply to this comment)
by zymac
The way to be totally safe with a pistol is to only load it when you're ready to shoot.
The second safest way is to not have a round in the chamber until you're ready to shoot.
I can rack a round into my Glock 19 quickly and in total darkness and and have no worry about where the safety is or which way to move it because it doesn't have one.
I seldom have to participate in quick draw contests where the second or two it takes to rack the slide would make any difference. I make it a point to stay away from places where someone might jump at me out of the dark. If I were in such a place, I'd have a round in the chamber and the Glock in my hand.
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Dec 05 '07
5:11 pm PST
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Uh, do you push the safety down.....or up? (Reply to this comment)
by donvabeach
I don't own the 19.....I own the "baby Glock", the model 26. I also have a HiPower, a PPK, a S&W36 snubbie and a few other guns. I also have a CCW permit, and am very comfortable with handguns. Having said all that, my favorite pistol is the Glock 26. You pull the trigger, it goes BANG! Never fails to fire; never bites my hand. It's a shooter's gun....I'd bet my life on it. The only external safety the pistol needs is me.....or, more to the point, my index finger. I have learned over the years to draw, leaving my trigger finger along the side of the frame. When I'm ready to fire, I engage the trigger. I have many holsters, but my favorite is an simple pocket holster. Just practise drawing without using the index finger. It's that simple. I hate external safeties. Who's to say, in a dark parking lot at midnight, or even in my home at three in the morning, given a threat....even with my training, would I remember which safety is pushed down (Browning), or up (PPK) to fire.
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Nov 28 '07
3:33 pm PST
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i guess dumb attracts dumber (Reply to this comment)
by bigtoe4u
if you accidentally shoot yourself with a glock, you don't need to carry a gun. i've carried one for 10 years and drawn it 2 times in self defense, neither times having to fire it. i carry a glock 23 40 cal, i recently bought a glock model 17 9mm and am very happy with it. safety is the owners responsibilty, both times i drew my weapon my finger never touched the trigger but i knew if i did it would have fired. if you don't feel comfortable carrying a glock you can always go to an s&w and deal with a ridiculous trigger travel. glocks where made to shoot bad guys at the drop of a dime. i'm not a glock nut as i own other hand guns in same calibers, but my glock does go where i do
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Nov 19 '07
8:27 pm PST
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Re: Unsafe safety (Reply to this comment)
by king1134
Too Many people get killed with a gun that "un-loaded" or with one that has the "safety on." Safety or not, gun's are tools of destruction and even the best safety won't prevent human error. Owning a glock and other types of handguns, they are comparatively speaking just as safe as any of the others. Get one that suits your needs and you feel comfortable you can use safely.
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Apr 09 '07
3:25 pm PDT
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Unsafe safety (Reply to this comment)
by captainamerika
Two Nebr State Patrolmen have been accidentally shot and killed by Glocks. If you have the safety on the trigger then it's essentially not a safety at all, no matter how good your training might be. If you want a safety that really works, even if the gun is dropped, get a Walthers PPK or PPK/S.
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Mar 11 '07
8:35 am PDT
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glock are great (Reply to this comment)
by latin4war
Glocks are great guns. With every Glock you get three safeties; the fourth you have to provide on your own. It's neither SAO or true DAO (but closer to DAO)as it's in a "partially-cocked" state when the slide is cycled. An XD would be a SAO gun. I would suggest a Glock 19 to anyone willing to put the time and effort into learning proper gun safety, but that goes with any firearm, not just Glock. I've had numerous Glocks and many other brands of pistols and, I don't have a problem carrying anyone of them chambered. The other option could get you killed just as quick. While they may not be for everyone, they are indeed great guns!
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Apr 28 '06
11:22 am PDT
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Re: Thanks... very helpful HOLD ON A SEC... (Reply to this comment)
by robandran123
OK, stop the presses...I have reversed course since I wrote my earlier opinion a few months ago. Since that time I've purchased a S&W Sigma 40P, which is near identical to the Glock. There are several factors for this turn about, and all are personal choices that go against my earlier comments. I still feel the same about lack of external safety's, and now I'll have to be even more conscious and careful (if that's possible)when handling the weapon. So while we share the inherent concern for every safety feature possible, reality is that the ultimate safety device is between one's ears.
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Apr 09 '06
8:23 am PDT
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Thanks... very helpful (Reply to this comment)
by somechick1980
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I am researching 9mm at the moment, trying to find the right one for self defense and safety. I ran across the Glock & when I saw their "safety" measures, I was a bit hesitant. The guy who was showing me the gun tried to down play it like "oh it's no big deal." Their idea of safety is way different than my own. Thanks again for reassuring me.
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Apr 08 '06
8:36 pm PDT
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Re: Re: glock safety is really gun safety 101 (Reply to this comment)
by ron556
robandran123,
thanks... definitely a major point in my comments- safety should always be the primary responsibility of one who carries a firearm for self-defense and/or duty. using a firearm is indeed a martial art; like all martial arts, it requires discipline, training and a lot of respect.
i also agree with your point of the glock [or any firearm, for that matter] being a poor weapon of choice for the once- or twice-a-year gun range guy. firearms are not "talismans of safety" that will magically protect you from harm; they require proper training [and mindset] in order to be utilized properly and safely.
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Jan 24 '06
6:26 pm PST
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Re: glock safety is really gun safety 101 (Reply to this comment)
by robandran123
Ron556, you certainly raise some good points, especially your comment "the best safety is between your ears", and "and it is the operator's duty to have proper training before assuming the responsibility of {open or concealed carry}doing so. Since the majority of military use the Beretta and have adequate training (initial and requals) the rate of accidental discharge is comparatively low compared to L/E members who receive similar training and are issued Glocks. Having said this, it seems that the key is (like you mentioned earlier) good, repetitive training. Unfortunately it is the person who does not carry as part of their duties, or who visits the range twice a year that is MOST LIKELY to have an accidental discharge. Therefore, it seems the Glock is great for the trained professional vice the person who visits the range a few times a year, and wants to have an offensive weapon at their call.
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Jan 24 '06
5:22 pm PST
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glock safety is really gun safety 101 (Reply to this comment)
by ron556
i think your review [while in the minority] definitely raises some worthwhile issues, but i'd still have to disagree with your statements re: glock safety [or lack thereof].
when you stated that "...In other words if the trigger gets snagged or your finger grabs it as you’re drawing the pistol you could discharge it unintentionally..." this is true of glocks. and SA/DA revolvers. and DAO revolvers. and DAO semi-auto pistols with no external safety [such as the kahr PM series]. true, the trigger pull on a glock is relatively low, but i cannot emphasize enough the importance of solid training. whether you have a 1911, beretta, sig, or whatever, the finger should NEVER be on the trigger while drawing and presenting a firearm, period. if it is, it is the operator that is inherently unsafe, not the weapon.
and i don't think it's just the use of hard plastic holsters that keeps the LEOs from worrying about a ND, because if anyone should worry about NDs, it's a cop. LEOs are expected to have training above the average citizen and rightly so. the glock is issued by something like 40% of all law enforcement agencies in the US; that should be somewhat of a benchmark on their safety [of course, the main reason many agencies chose the glock is the ease of transition from revolvers to semi-autos: no external safety. but that is for another time :-)]. while there are undoubtedly NDs that occur with civilians and LEOs alike, i think it really comes down to operator error, not weapon error. after all, your best safety is between your ears.
this also raises the issue of proper concealed carry holsters. there is a plethora of outstanding holster manufacturers out there; one just has to look. if a quality holster has a covered trigger guard and is used for its intended purpose, it should function as designed: keeping the weapon retained safely + keeping things clear of the trigger. all of my IWB rigs are proper holsters that conceal the gun well and provide relatively "fast" access to the weapon. personally, i like my holsters made of hide, so i have sought solutions that fit my needs... the first of them being safety. i've carried a G30 in my IWB rigs for years in many different situations and i've never had an ND in hundreds of presentations and thousands of rounds.
besides, carrying a firearm [concealed or open] should be recognized as an inherent risk [like riding a motorcycle] and it is the operator's duty to have proper training before assuming the responsibility of doing so, civilian or otherwise.
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Jan 23 '06
6:19 pm PST
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Re: Incorrect statement (Reply to this comment)
by carnut2k4
The Glock is technically neither SAO or DAO but it's a helluva lot closer to SAO. That and the fact that the trigger pull is 5 pounds, as opposed to a ten or more pound pull on a traditional DAO, is what keeps me from carrying this gun. As you pointed out, in the proper holster it is safe but those holsters don't work for concealed carry which is what I'm discussing here. As I conceded in the essay, I know my POV puts me in the minority when it comes to the Glock.
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Dec 04 '05
4:35 pm PST
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Incorrect statement (Reply to this comment)
by chopperguy2
carnut2k4,
The statement that Glocks are Single Action Only is incorrect. The Glock fools a lot of people who first look at it into believing it's Single Action Only. Believe it or not, when you pull the slide and chamber a round, the gun is NOT cocked. Rather, every time you squeeze the trigger, it pulls the firing pin back and lets it go - that's more or less Double Action Only. DAO means the trigger has 2 functions, cocking and releasing the firing pin. Your Glock armorer can demonstrate this to you with the action apart.
Since the firing pin isn't "cocked" and ready to be let go, I don't have a problem carrying it chambered. If it WERE cocked, I would REFUSE to carry chambered. In my opionion, I don't want to fumble with a traditional safety when I'm being attacked on the street. With a PROPER holster with trigger gaurd (i.e. Fobus), this gun is perfectly safe. I would not carry it chambered without a proper holsteter.
All said, the Glock 19 is an excellent, reliable, and safe concealed carry weapon and just feels good in your hand.
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Nov 07 '05
8:34 pm PST
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Great review of the Glock (Reply to this comment)
by robandran123
I have always admired the engineering of the Glock pistols. Almost bought one but it was that "Safe" action mechanism that carnut2k4 describes in his aticle that prevented me from doing so. I've owned handguns since 1978 and enjoy target and plinking, also it is comforting to know I have a weapon for my home defense. After owning a Colt LW Commander for many years I wanted a ligher weight higher capacity. Glock seemed like the logical choice so I went to the range and used the rental Glock 17. Nice and light easy to get back on target. But that darn safety feature...ended up trading for a S&W 4006. Great pistol, smooth, but a little heavy. Nice features (grips, double decockers, sights).
Unless you use and carry a pistol regularly, I would not recommend a Glock. There are lots of other good pistols out there that are inherently safer!
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Oct 11 '05
4:59 pm PDT
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Re: I've (Reply to this comment)
by carnut2k4
Thanks for the comment! I look forward to reading those reviews of yours.
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Jul 21 '05
3:52 pm PDT
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I've (Reply to this comment)
by George_Chabot
got a Glock 23 - 40 S&W cal but otherwise the same as the Model 19. People either love or hate Glocks. It's good to see someone else writing about guns on the site. I did 4 or 5 reviews several years ago in the outdoor/other category. Colt 45 Automatic, 38 Super Auto, SVD Dragunov, S&W Centennial Model snubby, etc.
Keep up the good work, bud!
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Jul 19 '05
2:04 pm PDT
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uh... (Reply to this comment)
by sfarmer76
with 7 women on your mind? LOL
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Jul 18 '05
10:52 am PDT
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Re: Re: yeah yeah cool... (Reply to this comment)
by drdevience
Cooooolnesssssss
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Jul 15 '05
8:04 am PDT
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Re: yeah yeah cool... (Reply to this comment)
by carnut2k4
Sent ya an email!
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Jul 15 '05
2:27 am PDT
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yeah yeah cool... (Reply to this comment)
by drdevience
But look here... Hags has challenged us to a Trivia competition. Which Tuesday evening can you be down here? It's on man. Damons. Lauderdale-by-the-sea.
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Jul 14 '05
10:43 pm PDT
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