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Re: 16th century poem about sex???? (Reply to this comment)
by goodmama
chasten [ˈtʃeɪsən]
vb (tr)
1. to bring to a state of submission; subdue; tame
2. to discipline or correct by punishment
3. to moderate; restrain; temper
[from Old French chastier, from Latin castigÄre; see castigate]
chastener n
chasteningly adv
Definition of Chasten. No where does it say hit.
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Jul 13 '11
8:55 am PDT
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Re: Excellent Summary! (Reply to this comment)
by goodmama
Absolutely! My last name is Allen. Good luck with your research. There's so much out there that is factual against corporal punishment. I have personally never spanked my own kids & they are wonderful, polite & caring kids! Best of luck!
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Nov 29 '08
6:54 am PST
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Re: 16th century poem about sex???? (Reply to this comment)
by goodmama
I did not mean to offend anyone, but I still do disagree.
Solomon (Prov. xiii. 24) says: “He that spareth the rod hateth his son;” but Samuel Butler, in his Hudibras (pt. ii. canto 1, line 843), says: 1
“Love is a boy, by poets styled,
Then spare the rod, and spoil the child.”
This is where the commonly used phrase came from.
Dictionary -n Chastise vt. punish
I disagree that chastise/punish means to hit/spank. I punish my children, but do not hit them.
Also the old Testament (which includes NOT only the writings of King Solomon (told you how his kids turned out), but also Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers & deuteronomy. These are parts of the Jewish Talmud. It says in there also (if you're inclined to take literally)- not to eat pork - it's unclean, men should not shave, endorses stonings, even death to rape victims etc.
I have studied World Religions and Christianity. There are many ways to interpret, but I understand some born again Christians take it literally. I don't understand why then they eat pork? Why pick & choose if following literally.
Also, a rod was used to guide sheep, not hit them.
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Apr 25 '07
6:58 pm PDT
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16th century poem about sex???? (Reply to this comment)
by doe1979
Proverbs 13:24
Proverbs 22:15
Proverbs 23:13
Proverbs 23:14
Proverbs 23:14
Proverbs 19:18
Because I don't honestly believe that you have any interest in what the Bible actually says on this issue, I will not argue with you, but to be clear, anyone who is interested in what the Bible says, it's sin NOT to chasten your children. Our relationships as parents are reflective of God's relationship with us, and if God chastens those He loves, and deals with us a sons in doing so, and has even told us that though chastening may be greivous, it then brings forth fruits of righteousness. Why then would any Bible-believing person not chasten their child?
In essence, by saying the chastening of a child is cruel, you are then saying that the character of God is cruel, when it is the complete opposite.
Please, in the future, don't refer to the Bible in making this argument because your point of view is indeed contrary to the clear teachings of Scripture. You have done well in making your point without resorting to deceptions, whether intentionally or not.
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Sep 29 '06
2:17 pm PDT
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16th century poem about sex???? (Reply to this comment)
by doe1979
Proverbs 13:24
Proverbs 22:15
Proverbs 23:13
Proverbs 23:14
Proverbs 23:14
Proverbs 19:18
Because I don't honestly believe that you have any interest in what the Bible actually says on this issue, I will not argue with you, but to be clear, anyone who is interested in what the Bible says, it's sin NOT to chasten your children. Our relationships as parents are reflective of God's relationship with us, and if God chastens those He loves, and deals with us a sons in doing so, and has even told us that though chastening may be greivous, it then brings forth fruits of righteousness. Why then would any Bible-believing person not chasten their child?
In essence, by saying the chastening of a child is cruel, you are then saying that the character of God is cruel, when it is the complete opposite.
Please, in the future, don't refer to the Bible in making this argument because your point of view is indeed contrary to the clear teachings of Scripture. You have done well in making your point without resorting to deceptions, whether intentionally or not.
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Sep 29 '06
2:16 pm PDT
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Re: I agree (Reply to this comment)
by goodmama
I completely agree, Vivasuzi! I'd rather teach kids to do good for the sake of it being good, or not do something bad because IT IS a bad thing to do. This is more effective than them merely hiding bad just for fear of getting hit. That's not really teaching them anything except to hide (lie) what they're doing wrong. I could go on...but, Thanks for the comment! :) -Tam
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Feb 09 '06
6:28 am PST
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Wonderfully stated! (Reply to this comment)
by krissingene
Thank you so much - I wish more people felt the way you and I do about corporal punishment.
I had a very hard time with my own husband over the "spare the rod" bit. He claimed it was Biblical, I pointed out that it was not. Also had to remind him that the rod was for guiding the sheep, not for hitting them.
What a beautiful story about the rock. I won't forget it anytime soon, I'm sure.
Thank you for getting this out there.
Kristin
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Sep 01 '05
10:41 pm PDT
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Re: I was a social worker at the Head (Reply to this comment)
by goodmama
Jo, I think even if you made a difference in one persons perspective that is great! I bet you made a difference to a lot though! If one person can be strong enough & learn new techniques, it can break a cycle of violence that is unnecessary. It's hard to speak up, but I'm sure even harder to be the child in situations like that as they can't speak up for themselves. Being a social worker is definately a job that makes a difference!!! :)
Leedug, thank you!
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Aug 31 '05
5:47 pm PDT
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I was a social worker at the Head (Reply to this comment)
by jo.com
Start program for 10 years. One of my jobs was to do parenting program. Spanking was always at the top of my list, i.e. alternative methods of discipline. Some parents only know that. I heard so often "but it works." Yes it does? Why? because your child gets scared. Does a parent want a child who is afraid of them or one who respects them. Often that reasoning would at least get a parent to think. I also taught not to spank by getting parents to realize that when they hit their child the only think they are teaching is that it is ok to hit. I hope I made some changes in some lives. Thanks for this thoughtful review. Corporal punishment is against the law in Mass. I have filed many a 51A because a parent used a belt or paddle - even a hand that left a bruise. jo
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Aug 31 '05
1:01 pm PDT
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