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Re: Trust you... (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
to make a philosophical essay out of people's dislike of 'The City'! And, as always, a most eloquent one
Trust me to have amazing amounts of time on my hands. This comment is being written after my child's birth, though, so ... well, i'd make your bets on that a little smaller for awhile.
I like 'The City', always have. Maybe being an outsider affords me the luxury to listen to it in an objective, musical manner. Maybe not :o) But CERTAINLY 'The City' is not nearly a quarter as bad as that repetitive moronic new agey drone 'Don't worry, be happy (duh)
The outsider thing may indeed help; hey, i'm an outsider to classic rock (i.e. Jefferson Airplane's era) myself. "Don't Worry, Be Happy" translates to all contexts, and is dubious both as advice and as a way to boost Tylenol sales.
cheers,
- Brian
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Dec 25 '06
11:14 pm PST
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Re: Ouch (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I have the vinyl single to 'We Built This City' somewhere in a box
Wow, a vinyl single. That's a piece of history. Hang onto it: someday you can sell it to the Rock'n'Roll Museum in Cleveland, where it can be ritually burned at noon and thus become even scarcer.
uh-oh, it's disco! duck!,
- Brian
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Dec 25 '06
11:11 pm PST
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Re: City Schmitty. Let's talk about Big Country. (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
Peace in Our Time was a mistake? Says who?
Way too many Big Country fans: the song _and_ the album.
I absolutely love the album. Even King of Emotion's corny chorus and cheesy guitar.
I actively like the corny chorus and cheesy guitar, which may make my judgment even more suspect than we knew.
I feel viscerally about Thousand Yard Stare, and I actually think Broken Heart (Thirteen Valleys) is the best song BC ever made
Hmm, i'm quite fond of both songs, but never thought to go far. I should pull the album out for a fresh spin or two.
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Dec 25 '06
11:09 pm PST
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Trust you... (Reply to this comment)
by lammet
Brian, to make a philosophical essay out of people's dislike of 'The City'! And, as always, a most eloquent one. Good job.
To throw my 2-cents in: I like 'The City', always have. Maybe being an outsider affords me the luxury to listen to it in an objective, musical manner. Maybe not :o) But CERTAINLY 'The City' is not nearly a quarter as bad as that repetitive moronic new agey drone 'Don't worry, be happy (duh)'...
Later,
-Vasilis
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Sep 30 '06
2:23 am PDT
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Ouch (Reply to this comment)
by phungus
Sadly enough, I have the vinyl single to 'We Built This City' somewhere in a box at my parent's house.
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Sep 12 '06
12:57 pm PDT
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City Schmitty. Let's talk about Big Country. (Reply to this comment)
by panguitch
Peace in Our Time was a mistake? Says who? The song or the album?
I absolutely love the album. Even King of Emotion's corny chorus and cheesy guitar. I feel viscerally about Thousand Yard Stare, and I actually think Broken Heart (Thirteen Valleys) is the best song BC ever made.
I even think Peace in Our Time is a decent song, listened to in moderation.
Whose ears do I have to box?
-Andy
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Sep 01 '06
9:00 am PDT
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Re: Okay, so here's the thing...... (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I heard this song approximately 80 gajillion times in clubs, bars, on the radio - you name it. There are a lot of songs from that era that I hate for the same reason - I just got absolutely sick and tired of hearing them
My only surprise is that your hatred for the song has survived the decades; i certainly know the feeling. In '91-92 i roomed with a guy who had excellent taste in music, but he was _very_ fond of his favorites, and it took me four years of not living with him before i could stand to hear R.E.M., U2, or Simon & Garfunkel again. The radio, soon after, ruined Counting Crows for me, also for years. But time passed, and once the memory of the insane repetition faded, i could love each band again.
the idea that any time an artist/filmmaker/singer/author makes it big, it means they've somehow "sold out". As though there's some sort of moral imperative to starve for your craft. Smells mightily of sour grapes
Or as Morrissey sang, "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful". Morrissey also claimed to be "the Last of the Famous International Playboys", but sometimes he was a keen observer - and then when it's not even "friends", but was someone we thought we could look up to without craning our neck _too_ hard... some people get bitter.
people who feel like "Starship" was a sell-out of Jefferson Airplane. Why?
Because they totally changed their sound. Of course, if they'd kept the same sound, people would have accused them of greedily making the same record over and over instead of having the creativity to rise to the times.
I've never even heard ["My Humps"] and it makes me want to adopt my dad's voice: "That's music? How can you call that music?"
The reasons i most look forward to fatherhood tend to be stuff like that, and yelling "Get off my lawn" to my kids' schoolmates. Far-away stuff; how i'll handle a baby is in the to-be-seen pile, although mostly i think it'll consist of buying everything Jessica/Joyfulgirl91 recommends.
I'm hoping, come December, to get that internal chemical cocktail insisting that my baby, unlike other babies, is abnormally smart and adorable and interesting and lots of fun to talk about. Y'all have been warned.
let's talk about diapers, baby, let's talk about you and me, let's talk about all the good places and the bad places poop may be,
- Brian
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Aug 25 '06
11:28 pm PDT
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Okay, so here's the thing...... (Reply to this comment)
by millinocket
I can't stand this song. But let me put it into some context:
In 1985 I was 20 years old (yeah, break out the Geritol, junior). I heard this song approximately 80 gajillion times in clubs, bars, on the radio - you name it. It was everywhere. There are a lot of songs from that era that I hate for the same reason - I just got absolutely sick and tired of hearing them.
Anyway. Something I've never understood about the "arts" community is the idea that any time an artist/filmmaker/singer/author makes it big, it means they've somehow "sold out". As though there's some sort of moral imperative to starve for your craft. Smells mightily of sour grapes. This song was a huge success - it was a success for a reason, people liked it. That those same people that were probably calling their radio stations requesting it every fifteen minutes have now decided it was a "sell-out" is crap. You can only sell (out) what someone wants to buy. If an artist doesn't sell anything, perhaps it's because they are true to their artistic vision and unappreciated for it. Or perhaps it's because people think their stuff sucks.
In another vein, there are the people who feel like "Starship" was a sell-out of Jefferson Airplane. Why? Because they decided to change their sound and do something that was more in line with what people wanted to hear? Is it really so wrong to want people to enjoy your work? Why does that somehow compromise "artistic vision"? I don't think it does - artists should not be held to some sort of static, unchanging sound or direction, nor should they be required to only make money from their work after they die.
Thus endeth my tirade. I have no idea where that came from.
And this is a fabulous piece of writing. You know that my knowledge of current popular music is limited, and that I have many of my own taste quirks, but this?
I’m gonna get, get, get, get you drunk,
Get you love drunk off my hump.
My hump, my hump, my hump, my hump,
My hump, my hump, my lovely lady lumps
I've never even heard the song and it makes me want to adopt my dad's voice:
"That's music? How can you call that music? That's not music, it's just wah-wah-wah."
In other words, I don't think I want to get drunk off their hump.
But that's just me.
I'll end this comment now, since I think it's longer than my last review......
Hope Cindy (and you) are well and things are proceeding swimmingly!
Sue
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Aug 25 '06
6:56 pm PDT
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Re: Huh. (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
The same channel that also brought us "I Love the '80s", "I Still Love the '80s", "I Wish it was the '80s", and "The '80s Were The Bestest Decade Evar And There's Nothing You Or Your Quote-Unquote 'Modernized' Kin Can Do About It"
Yet, to inspire this essay, they also came out with "48 Awesomely Bad Reasons Why the 1980's Sucked, Plus We Don't Like 'Achy-Breaky Heart' or Ruben Stoddard Either". I don't think VH-1 are sincere enough in any of their opinions to seek consistency.
you seem to make the implication in your final lines that there's very little place in writing to be critical of music
I wondered if anyone was going to call me on that! It's a good question, which is why i'm going to answer it at annoying length.
I didn't mean what you're taking me to mean. But i _am_ saying that since music exists to enrich us and give us pleasure, even negative/ critical reviews tend to be best when they're about what makes good music good. The bulk of the interesting negative reviews i've read are about albums by artists the author otherwise loves: it automatically forces a consideration of what makes the artists great (otherwise). The reader might not agree on what's good and bad, but the reader is given something far more specific and provocative - and more likely to help them decide if they will like the album themselves - than "I don't like this kind of stuff" or "This guy's voice sucks!".
Reviews have (and want!) the power to change what a listener gets from an album. To teach someone to be appreciative and happy is, i think, a generally greater goal than to teach someone to be sour and unhappy. Not that i never vent, in passing, while talking about something else...
Another note on the best negative reviews. I think there's a lot of place for negative book and movie reviews. Stories and journalism, unlike music, have a power to do lasting harm: to lie to people, to arouse bitterness or hatred or impatience or coldness. Another feature of the best negative music reviews, then, is that they're often about the story: the story in the lyrics, or the implied story in the artists' career. Brotherman on Ice Cube versus Oprah Winfrey; Jonathan Keefe on the Dixie Chicks' Taking the Long Way; glenn mcdonald on Patty Griffin's Flaming Red and Guided by Voices' Isolation Drills: those are great pieces, even when i like the music involved, because they are essays about people and storytelling. My only negative music review, of Alanis M's So-Called Chaos, tries to be that as well.
your passion for Starship's fun little song is largely an opinion I can agree with
Yay!
On a completely unrelated note, did you notice that there is now a PopMatters column called "Vox Pop"?
I did not! Clearly, i am becoming a cultural icon. To navigate to the page of your choice, please click me with your cultural cursor, then watch the "attempting to load" message and munch popcorn.
cheers,
- Brian
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Aug 25 '06
1:55 pm PDT
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Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
liked it alot. Unlike the song, which will always have the dense fug of naffness clinging to it like a wet dog
I have no idea what you just said, but "dense fug of naffness" is great fun to say regardless. If i ever start a blog, i shall consider it as the title.
I find myself becoming faint from your revelation that it could claim a place in your top fifty singles
Hit singles, anyway. It's an imaginary list, but i assume it would be shorter than a list that included non-hit singles as well, since - this is going to sound amazing and controversial - i sometimes like some unsuccessful singles better than some successful singles.
One reason not to make such a list: i'd have to decide if temporary Buzz Bin hits, that then disappeared from the airwaves forever, count (anyone else remember Pop Will Eat Itself's "X, Y, and Zee"? Poe's "Trigger Happy Jack"? Self's "So Low"? Awesome songs). Another reason: it would be silly and pointless. Or maybe that's a reason in its favor...?
i am you as you are me, XYZ to ABC, you be us, we are top ten,
- Brian
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Aug 25 '06
1:27 pm PDT
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Re: Don't Know the Songs (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I don't know the artists, but I trust your judgment.
Cool! Perhaps i should trade up in the world and start recommending stocks for a living. Only ones my clients haven't heard of, though: it'll definitely make my judgment harder to question.
happy to see you back around,
- Brian
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Aug 25 '06
1:21 pm PDT
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Re: swish (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
"Don't Worry, Be Happy" caught huge flack on that program as well, and since I liked it more than "We Built This City," I chose to be indignant on behalf of the former
Quite reasonable! Feel free to be indignant in print sometime - it's fun. I associate "Don't Worry" with the first President Bush, like maybe he tried to use it as a campaign song or to use the don't-worry-about-being-evicted-by-your-landlord line as his housing policy ... but while that makes it hard to love the song, it is not Bobby McF's fault.
cuz when you're nasty, your face will frown, and that will bring everybody down,
- Brian
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Aug 25 '06
1:19 pm PDT
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Re: More fuel for the fire (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
Now i know why you didn't like my review
Well, i don't like name-calling. Period. But if you'd saved it for New Kids, Wang Chung, Kenny Loggins, and Scorpions, i bet would have offered a similar critique without the rather bonkers determination to extend it to three argumentative Comments plus an absurdly long essay on "We Built This City", VH-1, modern economic theory, and bad moments in high-profile criminal justice. So yeah, uh, sorry. Or thanks, since the essay _does_ seem to have gone over well, and since your replies to me helped me structure my argument.
blender.com, and they've got Starship as the fifth worst band of all time... on the other hand, they've got one of my all-time favorite bands, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, as the second-worst
Heh. Once upon a time, ELP got good reviews. No one in the industry chooses to remember this. I think Trilogy's a good record, and Tarkus is not only a good record but enlivened by some of the silliest (thus coolest) drawings ever to grace a double-fold LP inside cover.
That story you left on my Marillion review about your wife and They Might Be Giants is classic!
Even classicer: we got married at a They Might Be Giants concert. Hundreds of total strangers during the show yelled out "Congratulations!" to us. I thought someone might, just for variety, yell "You're making a horrible mistake!", but no. And they'd've been wrong anyway. :)
cheers,
- Brian
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Aug 22 '06
3:43 pm PDT
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Re: Wow (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I have been known to watch those sorts of lists just to see what all's in there, but I very clearly remember sitting there going, "What? Aw, that song's not THAT bad, is it?" It's one of those things where people seem to want to bash stuff just to be "cool". Music wasn't meant to be turned into some lame clique type of thing
Absolutely not - for lame clique things, the world provides designer clothes, and that should be plenty. I'm a contrarian by nature, and it's possible i would never have become _as_ fond of "We Built This City" without the VH-1 list: i liked the song, but the list, and the subsequent insults thrown about, made me pay closer attention.
cheers,
- Brian
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Aug 22 '06
11:57 am PDT
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Re: Can't say... (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
...that I've heard this song -- in recent memory, that is
The song was gone from the charts by the time you were born (whether you were conceived to it is another question, and one i'd rather not visualize). I think it's one you'd like, honestly.
if someone so blatantly attacked a song that I love, I'm sure then the situation would be much the same
Exactly! You understand. I imagine that there are dickheads in Japan who would, in fact, be delighted to set you off. Luckily, you'll never know that. :)
born down to a dead man's pop chart,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
11:15 am PDT
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Re: Kudos! (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I enjoyed reading this from start to finish (and I like the song, too)
Yay! I'm glad. Especially since i figured, when i started writing it, that "start" and "finish" would be maybe 500 words apart. It didn't quite work that way.
you've been a wonderful audience,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
10:57 am PDT
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Re: “We Built This City” (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
Was actually written to annoy me - not to make any money
Wow! I knew you're a special one, and i knew all of Epinions knew it. But i didn't realize the music biz had beaten us to the knowledge.
it was also written to show us that from a video perspective, Grace can't dance :)
She should've hired the choreographer from the "Once in a Lifetime" video. I think i'm referring to Toni Basil - whose own hit song, "Mickey", bugs me, but that's only because the CIA remixed it special for me before it got sent to radio.
So: you're back! Apparently you've been back since July! Posting mostly in Health Non-Fiction! Ugh, that doesn't sound good. But i'll make time to catch up: it's lovely to see you again.
hugs,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
10:55 am PDT
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Re: My gawd, this was glorious! (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I always figured it just got flack from people who were hippies in the 60s because it spoke so closely to the sell-outs their own lives had become
That's possible. "Sell-outs" and "minor celebs hanging around giving commentaries on VH-1" are, i think, categories that overlap.
Having not been around for "White Rabbit"
Exactly; "White Rabbit"'s an excellent song, but for people our age, it had nothing to do with the discussion. Of course, by now, some of the nice comments i'm getting here are from people who weren't around for "We Built This City" either: young'uns like Khendra, Zach, and Granniemose.
the dj started playing "oldies". "Ice, Ice, Baby" was one of the first ones. I have to say, it's less agressively annoying to me now - especially since we're finally less likely to hear it in public spaces than "Under Pressure."
Oldies. Old, old, baby. Wow. But yes, one random play of it would not make me mad the way its total conquest of the long-ago airwaves did.
(Plus, kids Stew's age are just as unfamiliar with both songs). During Vanilla Ice, there were the usual smirks... whatever.
the dj spun "We Built This City", and it was awesome. It was like being in 7th Grade again: Everyone (meaning "all the parents") knew the song, and were singing along with it. How awesomely awesome is that? It was one of those moments where I felt legitimately part of a "generation".
Yay! That truly does sound fun; Cindy and i get our pleasant but far-less-adrenalizing "generation" moments from the fact that our favorite Carolina restaurants seem to build their soundsystem to our educated-mid-70s-born tastes.
So then the DJ played the "Where's the Beef" commercial and handed out Transformers. Yes? No?
the old and the restful,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
10:51 am PDT
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Re: eek! (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
economics in music reviews! yukky!
Poor Khendra. But at least i'm telling you why the economics in your econ classes might be wrong; you can brandish this essay at a professor someday when you argue a grade. :)
My mom has claimed to like the black eyed peas in the past... when i asked her about them again, she doesnt seem to remember them now
Wow. Two signs of creeping senility, right in a row. I'm sure her _real_ decline is far away, though, ok?
my humps, my humps, my lovely gentleman tumors,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
10:12 am PDT
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Re: voxpoptart plays apologist - listen to the teacher go! (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
Amazing defense of a song I always found annoying musically, but respected for it's message
Thanks! The flipside of taking melodic risks, of course, is that by definition some listeners _will_ think that particular risk was a bad idea. Not your fault; i respect you for having been rational about it.
Or maybe Mickey Thomas really did have complete control of the band and foisted a complete travesty upon us all, while Kanter and Slick simply rode out their contracts
His actual name was Mickey Finn, and his bandmates were unconscious throughout the proceedings, their vocals patched together with the FBI's finest soundgear from old performances and phone conversations they'd had.
Aw, heck, i dunno. Since i like the music, and since the sentiments sure sounded like Grace and Paul, i'd like to give them credit for the results, but it's possible i owe this Mickey dude some thanks.
who built this city? (and where in the city is Carmen Sandiego?),
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
10:10 am PDT
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Re: This is a secret. (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
My favorite band is Erasure. I've decided that you won't laugh at me.
Of course i won't! However, i'll have to blush, look down a moment, then ask you to educate me. I have a rough idea who they are - '80s synth-pop, fey vocals, still around - but the only Erasure song i can call to mind is their epic, widescreen cover of Blondie's "Rapture" (which is fantastic).
As for the song you wrote about, I can't place it.
It's possible you've just hardly ever heard it. I remember being in a record store in Boston a few years ago with my friends Michael (my age) and glenn (born in 1967). In glenn's recounting i'm the second guy:
"After a series of willfully obscure selections by whichever staff member had won control of the store's stereo, somebody put on Boston's 'More Than a Feeling', with which I began humming along happily. 'I always forget,' said the friend two bins down from me, 'which city-band is this?' Struck speechless, I could only gesture around us. This one, this city, the one we're living in. The friend in the aisle across from us, noticing my dismay, then compounded it by admitting that he'd never heard the song before. Never heard 'More Than a Feeling'? I spent several seconds trying to imagine why somebody would assert something so baldly preposterous, and then it slowly dawned on me that he was serious. He is a few years younger than I am, and thus grew up in an incomprehensible alternate universe in which 'More Than a Feeling' is not Western civilization's finest one-song summary of FM Radio, and thus of mainstream musical culture. The one who forgot which city it was later claims he's never heard anything from Rumours."
However: if you've ever watched the movie Mannequin, you've heard Starship's other great hit single, "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now". It's a more generic song, but i still do think it's wonderful, which is in part a feeling left over from having watched Mannequin five times as i grew up.
you eat Cadillacs, Lincolns too, Mercurys and Subarus, and you don't stop, you go on eating
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
10:02 am PDT
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Re: Bravo, Sir. Bravo. (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
Well done, Brian. Finally, someone has denounced VH1's overwhelming need to list, bash, and "mock" popular music
Weird fact: when i was a kid VH1 had an overwhelming need to play videos of popular music. So did MTV! I know how much it sounds like an urban legend, but i was there.
Here's the URL to my Interstate Love write-off, if you'd like to join in on the fun.
Could be fun! Warning: when i'm on Epinions, i always feel like i'm about half-a-dozen product reviews behind, so i don't tend to respond very immediately to writeoff invitations. But if you don't need speed, i'll keep it in mind. :)
cheers,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
9:47 am PDT
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Re: Much ado about nothing (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
An eloquent, well written piece about a song I was never really crazy about (even though I'm a Jefferson Starship fan)
Thanks! I wasn't really a Jefferson Starship fan, at least until '81 when the transformation was underway ("Stairway to Cleveland", now that's a great song). That reduced the emotional obstacles to me liking the revised version, i'm sure.
Where were the Purple People Eaters, Teenie Weenie Pink polka Dot Bikinis
Pardon? Life and music existed _before_ 1968? How do you expect VH-1 to believe a silly claim like that?
Perhaps you should refrain form VH-1 in protest
Easier done than said: Cindy and i don't have cable. The fact that we saw part of this countdown means either
(1) it came out as long ago as May/June '04, when we were living in a temporary furnished apartment with cable, or
(2) discussion of the countdown was so omnipresent that we watched part of it on my computer.
But yeah, in general, i'd rather decide which parts of the '80s to love on my own.
totally,
- Brian
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Aug 21 '06
9:41 am PDT
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Huh. (Reply to this comment)
by shilmafone
What I found most interesting about this essay is that you actually found something on VH1 that messed with your head enough to write a 2000 word essay about. VH1! The same channel that also brought us "I Love the '80s", "I Still Love the '80s", "I Wish it was the '80s", and "The '80s Were The Bestest Decade Evar And There's Nothing You Or Your Quote-Unquote 'Modernized' Kin Can Do About It".
Oh, and as long as I'm expressing incredulity, you seem to make the implication in your final lines that there's very little place in writing to be critical of music, an expression I disagree with -- because, I mean, if the music doesn't make us happy, shouldn't we be able to share that with the world just as readily as if it does?
That said, your passion for Starship's fun little song is admirable, and largely an opinion I can agree with. So hooray for a newly-prolific voxpoptart writing voxpoptarty things in another fine essay.
On a completely unrelated note, did you notice that there is now a PopMatters column called "Vox Pop"? Just thought that was interesting. :)
Cheers,
--Mike
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Aug 21 '06
8:51 am PDT
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... (Reply to this comment)
by nsign
A very interesting piece of work, liked it alot. Unlike the song, which will always have the dense fug of naffness clinging to it like a wet dog. And I find myself becoming faint from your revelation that it could claim a place in your top fifty singles. While it's not as satanically bad as VH1 and others would make out, it's still wretched.
Nice work though
Steve
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Aug 21 '06
1:55 am PDT
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Don't Knos the Songs (Reply to this comment)
by Granniemose
and I don'k now the artists, but I trust your judgement. I did enjoy the article.
Grannie
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Aug 20 '06
8:33 pm PDT
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swish (Reply to this comment)
by petey_2
"Don't Worry, Be Happy" caught huge flack on that program as well, and since I liked it more than "We Built This City," I chose to be indignant on behalf of the former.
Though, clearly, if one is to write an essay unmasking VH1 for the inept buffoon that it is, "We Built" is the song to exemplify.
Thank you for consistently blowing my mind.
peace owt,
Petey
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Aug 20 '06
5:56 pm PDT
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Wow (Reply to this comment)
by angienic2001
Someone defending this for once, and with a valid essay, too. I remember hearing this song ALL the time when I was little. It's not a song that I personally get all that into, but at the same time, if others like yourself enjoy it, hey, more power to you all! I have been known to watch those sorts of lists just to see what all's in there, but I very clearly remember sitting there going, "What? Aw, that song's not THAT bad, is it?" It's one of those things where people seem to want to bash stuff just to be "cool". Which is irritating. Music wasn't meant to be turned into some lame clique type of thing.
A good essay, well done and way to stick up for less popular stuff. More people should do this sort of thing :D.
Angela
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Aug 20 '06
8:15 am PDT
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More fuel for the fire (Reply to this comment)
by buffoonery
Just got off something called blender.com, and they've got Starship as the fifth worst band of all time, with particular potshots taken at your song. So take that, foul knave!
On the other hand, they've got one of my all-time favorite bands, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, as the second-worst band of all-time, so perhaps I shouldn't talk so much.
buff
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Aug 20 '06
8:01 am PDT
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As I said on my site in more detail (Reply to this comment)
by buffoonery
This is a powerful, impassioned and informed defense of what is nontheless a truly awful song that, when the revolution comes, will be banned from the airwaves.
That story you left on my Marillion review about your wife and They Might Be Giants is classic!
buff
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Aug 20 '06
7:50 am PDT
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