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Just found this one (Reply to this comment)
by colonialpara
but vwry wll said!
Paul
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Apr 15 '07
11:30 am PDT
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honestly, I am not a rubber stamper, (Reply to this comment)
by busby777
but I just haven't found a reason to rate your reviews lower than vh
-- maybe I haven't been rating long enough to find one that needs improvement?
great article here, lots of good advice, and I did find it most helpful
8-)
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Sep 04 '06
2:33 pm PDT
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Re: Learning to trust... (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Well said... As your reviews are very helpful you should have been writing awhile ago.
Thanks for Stopping by
--DeRango
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Aug 28 '06
7:44 pm PDT
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Re: My block list (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
I also enjoy when a writer seeks my help via email. I recently had a question about improving a review, and it felt good that the writer was willing to go that extra length to improve on themselves.
Thanks for the comment Steve
--DeRango
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Aug 28 '06
7:43 pm PDT
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My block list (Reply to this comment)
by Stephen_Murray
is populated by people who leave stupid and/or insulting comments. Many of them are also revenge raters.
In my experience, those who need remedial writing training don't want it and bridle at suggestions of how to write better. Those who want help seek it more privately. I think that most advisors respond to e-mail and try to help those trying to write better... and have had plenty of experience of indignation from posting explanations for their SH and NH ratings. I think it is more useful to encourage good work to get better than to point out the inadequacies of the inadequate. (Call me "elitist," but I want to read writers who can write!)
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Aug 28 '06
6:16 pm PDT
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Learning to trust... (Reply to this comment)
by lcyberlina
Isn't easy. I had no idea that Epinions was this involved. I came here in the past mostly to read about products I was planning to purchase, but it had never occurred to me to write a review on anything. I decided to write my first review once I found out how useful it was to me to read about the tried and true products here... It was just a way to give back what I received.
I guess that is what the Web of Trust is all about... Give and you shall receive...
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Aug 28 '06
1:40 pm PDT
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Quite insightful work (Reply to this comment)
by buffoonery
You've thought a lot about this and approach the subject with integrity. Hats off.
buffoonery
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Aug 27 '06
11:35 am PDT
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Re: Hi (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
"This does not mean if you write a few Somewhat Helpful reviews you have made my block list, but rather several reviews that offer no real advice or incorrectly review a product"
Typically I do not add people to my Block List, and those that do make the list, I review it just like I review the people on my trust list.
Thanks for the comment,
--DeRango
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Aug 27 '06
11:05 am PDT
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Hi (Reply to this comment)
by sageandsavory
I wondered why you needed to block those who write SH and below overall rated reviews? By virtue of the overall rating these reviews will not been seen by the public, why block the writer?
A writer who has become community blocked may become very discouraged, wouldn't it be better to reach out and try to assist or encourage the member rather than blocking him or her into invisibility?
I can understand your blocking a member if you were offended by a member's continuous obscene rantings, but not because they are a poor writer. Blocking a poor writer is overkill as his her reviews will not be visible to the public unless they have an overall rating of helpful.
I can also understand blocking a member who consistently writes about products he or she has not used or only used for minutes at the store. Why block those whose reviews are invisible anyways, because if their reviews improve and you fail to notice you might be responsible for their improved valuable reviews going unseen.
you wrote "Members that make my Block List consistently write Not Helpful, Off Topic, to Somewhat Helpful reviews, They might rant on using obscene language, or offer no real review at all. These people need to be blocked as to keep our community healthy and full of Helpful & Very Helpful Reviews."
You might find the current thread on the Epinions message board about commenting interesting. Many advisors and other members talk about why they do not always post a comment.
Sage
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Aug 26 '06
2:35 pm PDT
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trust and verify (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I'm glad you consider the Block List a useful tool. I have one - it's only for abusers and frothing-at-the-mouth revenge raters - and i always feel a little chastized when other people brag that they don't. Epinions is supposed to have some sort of standards: that's what makes us better than other random comment sites.
Giving advice to newcomers: yeah, i'm pretty liberal with it. Most newcomers don't respond to it (or indeed ever return to the site), so taking the time to write it can be frustrating ... i DO understand the Advisors who prefer not to bother. Still, it's always better when one steps in.
This was a sane, excellent essay.
cheers,
- Brian
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Aug 26 '06
1:34 am PDT
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Re: A very helpful, honest review. (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad you don't think my comments are Generic :)
---DeRango
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Aug 25 '06
2:20 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Agreed, It almost seems that the Title Bears so much weight that if it were a Newbee writing the review, it would be Helpful @ best...
So has been my experience.
--DeRango
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Aug 25 '06
2:19 pm PDT
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A very helpful, honest review. (Reply to this comment)
by amelia_walpole
You've got some great things to say that have helped me as a "newbie."
Generally I rate and don't leave comments very often, and as a new reviewer I am a little shy about projecting my opinion this early. I'd like to get some more experience before I try to give constructive criticism. But on the other hand, perhaps I shouldn’t' be afraid to help others. If the reviewer takes a mature viewpoint of what I am trying to say, as I would do for them, the amount of time I've been around here shouldn't make a difference. Or maybe it will anyway. I'm not sure.
But anyway, thanks for being so helpful and posting your comments on this subject. I've been learning a lot from you about being a good reviewer around here. I will definitely try to comment more.
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Aug 25 '06
11:54 am PDT
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Re: Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by reginafug
I agree with Dave (Krus54)
I've noticed this phenomenon.
I've read some essays that truly did not deserve a VH, but did the writer end up with a VH because she/he is well-known in the EPS community and most voters wouldn't dare upset this person?
Anyway... there it is!
Regina
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Aug 25 '06
11:38 am PDT
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Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by krus54
I know some advisors rate lower than other advisors, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they rate everyone on the same scale.
Now THAT's my gripe on Epinions. I have seen advisors rate a newbie pretty low on a review that I thought was either Helpful or VH, but then see these SAME advisors rate VH on subpar reviews written by well known Epinions writers.
Too bad you can't get credit for this review. It was excellent.
Dave
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Aug 25 '06
5:58 am PDT
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Re: Another newbie perspective (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Glad I could help, and thanks for the feedback.
--DeRango
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Aug 25 '06
4:08 am PDT
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Re: Re: WOT and WOD (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Thanks for taking the time to read and comment, I appreciate it.
:)
--DeRango
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Aug 25 '06
4:08 am PDT
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Re: Hmmm... (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Fully agreed, no need to beat the horse dead, if someone has already commented. I was talking about reviews that no one has offered any advice... Emailing is a great tool to tip off a writer without the public effect.
Thanks for the expert input.
--DeRango
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Aug 25 '06
4:07 am PDT
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Another newbie perspective (Reply to this comment)
by scourge442
Being a newbie and new to the WOT phenomenon, position papers like this provide a great insight into the criteria active members are applying within their personal WOT decisions. I, like many, have a sincere desire to write ALL VH reviews. I will gladly rewrite any review if it receives less than that rating. If that's not going to be enough to earn a WOT designation from members then I want to know the other criteria that may be influencing their decision. I know of NO other vehicle for gaining the insight into whats behind WOT decisions than member position papers. I'm not saying that I want every person to add me to WOT, rather I want to increase my likelihood by understanding some of the additional criteria members take into account.
Additionally, perhaps there is something I might want to add to my WOT criteria - from their process. Perhaps there is something I want to avoid in my WOT criteria - from their process. How will I know if members don't share. In any regard, I have already THANKED you for the constant feedback. It has been inspirational as I try to break out of my newbie shell. Thanks again for another valuable ePinions insight.
Prentiss
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Aug 24 '06
10:55 pm PDT
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Re: WOT and WOD (Reply to this comment)
by zenmachado
Ditto.. on what he stated. When I began, many write ups like this one, assisted me in better understanding the ins and outs of the epinions world.
You pretty much hit all the major things about the web of trust.. good job...
ZeN
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Aug 24 '06
10:09 pm PDT
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WOT and WOD (Reply to this comment)
by WulfsDen
It's always good to write down your criteria, even if it is only to clarify your own thoughts. I remember as a newbie, write ups like this were a big help in getting me started.
Ed :))
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Aug 24 '06
9:12 pm PDT
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Hmmm... (Reply to this comment)
by Don_Krider
Jeffrey,
Some very good points. If I've rated something low, and I won't be repeating comments already made, I may leave a comment.
Sometimes, for simple errors or corrections, I'll just email the member rather than leave a comment --- I find that's often the friendlier way to do things rather than publicly pointing out flaws in a writer's article.
Don :)
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Aug 24 '06
9:06 pm PDT
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Re: ... (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Some great points, and I fully agree with you, but you can't tell me that when you get all these great reviews, then someone puts a Somewhat helpful rating on your review, its like ??? Still everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I guess I’m just looking for a comment from them as to hey what can I do to improve, maybe I missed something key, just Throw me a Bone here.
I also agree fully with your statement about some people are just a "Lost Cause" as nothing you say or do will every make a difference.
I'm just hoping that we all chip in, and give the benefit of the doubt to everyone.
Great Comment & Thanks For Reading my Reviews Over these past 5 years.
--DeRango
Kudos & Congrats are in order I believe on the release of your new book...
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Aug 24 '06
6:01 pm PDT
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Re: Great info for a newbie (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Your Opinion is just as valid as anyone else on this site, and your comments should not be considered any less relevant because you are new. Just keep on doing what you've been all along. It doesn’t hurt to ask for someone to add something to make their review clearer.
Thanks for the Comment
--DeRango
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Aug 24 '06
5:55 pm PDT
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Great info for a newbie (Reply to this comment)
by mjtriplett
I'm a newbie to the site and am trying to write very helpful reviews and consistently read and rate others work. One question for you: I've been leaving comments on reviews that I rate SH or H, but sometimes feel foolish asking the reviewer to change their review when I'm so very new to the site myself. Do you think my suggestions are looked upon seriously or just shrugged off because I am new?
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Aug 24 '06
5:37 pm PDT
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... (Reply to this comment)
by Gr8ful
-5 Advisors Leave a Somewhat Helpful rating to a new comer and None of them offer a comment on advise. I figured the name Advisor would mean Advise the person on what to do to improve on his/her reviews. I am not saying this happens all the time, I feel that all new comers should be given some advise and the benefit of the doubt that they will become a regular participant to this great site.
Sometimes it is because what I was going to write has already been written by another member (DeRango) :-) and sometimes it is because no matter what I write it won't make any difference.
I will leave a comment to encourage or advise a member if I truly believe that my comment will help them. I have left comments to try to help new members in the past and all it got me was a lot of grief from the member. If I think I have something to say in a comment that can help, and will be taken as advice and not scorn, then I will leave a comment.
-Leaving myself or another review a low rating without leaving a comment after 61 People including Leads & Advisors give the review a Very Helpful Rating.
You must understand that nobody has to explain their ratings. It is only a courtesy that people explain why they rate the way they do. If someone rates lower than everyone else, they may have higher expectations than others. I don't see this as a problem as long as they rate equally and consistantly across the board.
I know some advisors rate lower than other advisors, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they rate everyone on the same scale.
Just my two cents...
Gr8ful :-)
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Aug 24 '06
5:23 pm PDT
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Re: Ya know... (Reply to this comment)
by DeRango
Thanks for the comment and your insight is always welcomed
--DeRango
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Aug 24 '06
4:24 pm PDT
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Ya know... (Reply to this comment)
by mrkstvns
I'm never quite sure just WHAT people intend to accomplish with long descriptions of how they rate or who they trust.
My system has always been:
* If I trust that somebody is a good writer with consistently rational thought processes and enough critical skills to sometimes rate things as low as *gasp* 1-star or 2-star, and they can do it often enough to impress me, then I click "Trust".
Otherwise I'll hold off and maybe come back to their stuff when they've had a little more time to show off their true skills.
I click "Block" when somebody is a total bonehead. My block list is very small and consists mostly of people who post spam, offensive content, or the words "test" 216 times.
Have fun!
Mark
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Aug 24 '06
4:13 pm PDT
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