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The New Dude (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
Ginzo,
Did he make any sense? I did not see it!
Lanny
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Feb 05 '07
11:50 am PST
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Re: Re: Re: Re: EVERY WEAKNESS IN A CAPABLE PERSON IS GENERALLY A STRENGH ABUSED (Reply to this comment)
by rassam
Hello Ginzo, I like to know from u Why!!!?U mentioned the places.....So, Why in these places, i like to know.
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Feb 05 '07
12:39 am PST
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Re: Re: Re: EVERY WEAKNESS IN A CAPABLE PERSON IS GENERALLY A STRENGH ABUSED (Reply to this comment)
by ginzo
Got news for ya.Selfism arrives at the alter,temple,mosque all the time. Most especially the mosques.
Let me clarify: Selfism through (A)God.
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Feb 02 '07
9:01 am PST
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Re: Re: EVERY WEAKNESS IN A CAPABLE PERSON IS GENERALLY A STRENGH ABUSED (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
Do you mean to tell me, there are more spineless, like a jellyfish, religious zealots out there in the real world?
Lanny
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Jan 31 '07
1:37 pm PST
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Re: EVERY WEAKNESS IN A CAPABLE PERSON IS GENERALLY A STRENGH ABUSED (Reply to this comment)
by ginzo
Got news for ya.Selfism arrives at the alter,temple,mosque all the time. Most especially the mosques.
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Jan 27 '07
7:16 am PST
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Re: Re: WHAT NOT TO SAY? (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
ZeN, 170!
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Jan 26 '07
10:37 pm PST
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Re: Re: WHAT NOT TO SAY? (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
We got a lively one, Ginzo!
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Jan 26 '07
10:33 pm PST
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EVERY WEAKNESS IN A CAPABLE PERSON IS GENERALLY A STRENGH ABUSED (Reply to this comment)
by rassam
MONEY? OR RELIGION? WHICH IS MORE EVIL?????????
SELFISM OF EITHER OR BOTH IS EVIL. GREED IS EVIL. SELFISM IS A PURPOSE DRIVEN MACHINE THAT ARRIVES AT THE ALTER OF GREED TO BE CROWN EVIL.
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Jan 26 '07
5:37 pm PST
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Re: WHAT NOT TO SAY? (Reply to this comment)
by ginzo
Which is more evil,money or religion??
They both cause war and death
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Jan 26 '07
10:44 am PST
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WHAT NOT TO SAY? (Reply to this comment)
by rassam
Someone said " The difficulty has not been in knowing what to say, but in knowing what not to say " We are living in a time when sensitivities are at the surface, often vented with cutting words. Philosophically- you can believe anything, so long as you do not claim it to be true. Morally- you can practice anything,so long as you do not claim that it is a *better* way. Religiously- you can hold to anything,so long as you do not bring Jesus Christ into it.Plus, if a spiritual idea is eastern, it is granted critical immunity. If western, it is thoroughly criticized.
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Jan 26 '07
12:19 am PST
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Re: Re: To Save! (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
Why don't you post these retorts as an article? I've already created an article just for you, yet you're too stupid to find it.
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Jan 25 '07
4:33 pm PST
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Re: To Save! (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
Well if it isn't Mr.ignorant, rated-r himself! Good, so a full circle has been made, right back to the source of folly.
Let us begin with a Scripture from the Word of God, the Bible you love so much right?
Isaiah.5:20-24
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their rottenness, and their blossom shall go up like dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts(armies), and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel(Gods believers)."
You, rated-r, are a perfect example of a soul that despises the love and mercy of God, that rejects His tender kindness shown through His Christ, that bites the Hand that feeds you, like a dog, and that tramples the precious pearls of God, like the swine. You reject and scoff at the Lords mercy and grace, so you will be turned over to His judgment and fire, not hell fire, because i will not condemn you for you still have breath to repent, but the fire of His love, that is going to come upon you not unto destruction, but unto repentance and life, if you repent. I pray in Jesus name, that God, the Father of mercies, bring you down in your arrogance, in your conceit and pride, that He bring you down to your knees, and lay you out, pin you down for a three count. Then you will know it is the hand of my God, and the grace of His Christ that has done this, so you will be spared and saved from His wrath to come.
You think you are something? You fool, you are just dust with the breath in your nostrils, and He can take that in a second from you.
God is not the problem, you are the problem, so quit pointing your finger at others and see that you are the disease, your sin, your heart, your ignorance! Out of your heart comes evil, for you have an evil heart of unbelief, and you are filled with hatred and accusation, when you are the problem. You go sort yourself out, you go find the truth, instead of filling yourself with bitterness and having nothing better to do than want to smack christians, go smack yourself first!
And you want to talk about ethics? Where do you think ethic comes from, where do you think your code of conduct is based from, your culture and you conscience, and who put you conscience in their huh? Was it the amoeba?
And where do you think the culture gets it morality from, where do their sanctions and ethics come from. If you where not ignorant, you would read the the Law of God, and see that society has taken from that, but added their own perversions to it, that is why it is not working.
And who are you to tell me about ethics when you dont believe in the Christ of God, or hate the one who died for you, who gives you right to "judge me":) So then that would make you a communist, because you are dictating to me, the lesser, about ethics, so you must be superior is it? Well implicitly you think you are.
So it comes back to one human saying what they believe, and another human what their belief is, so in your case neither can be right or wrong, and in Danielle's case, she would say "lets agree to disagree".
So it is the case of who is right and who is wrong, cannot have to contradicting opinions co-existing together without the expulsion of one, that is a basic philosophical principal.
So someone must be right, who could that be....hmmm....could it be mr.rated-r, or mr. djtheory, or maybe mrs.danielle and mr.head?
So who is right, so many epinions, enough to drive someone to a gun, but the sum is One. Only One can be right, only One can be absolute, only One can be dictatorial, only One authoritarian, and that One is God Almighty, He has proven He is the undefeated champion of Eternity. And His Word made flesh, Jesus the Christ, He has proven that He is the undefeated champion over death, hell, and the grave, without sin, without hypocracy, without guile, but spotless and sinless, for our sin, as an offering in our place. And the Spirit of God, who lives within the believer to bare witness of the truth, to proclaim the Gospel of good news, to teach what the Master taught, and to do as the Master, and greater works, but not greater than the Master, the same Spirit that lives in me His love slave, but free indeed, it is He who is also the undefeated eternal champion!
So again:
"There are many devices in a mans heart; nevertheless the council of the Lord, that shall stand!"
And as far as hatred goes toward other Christians, and that i don't even know that i am spewing out hatred? Well, i know exactly what i'm spewing out, and it is not hatred, but you see it like that because that is in your heart, and out of the abundance of the heart does man speak. I have hatred for Satan and his emissaries(demons), hatred for sin, not the one who sins, but the sin itself, and i have hatred for compromise, half heartedness, humanism, and ignorance. But if i think hard enough i could pull a few more out. But hatred for humankind, which God made, is to hate God. And to hate Christians and professing Christians is also to hate Jesus Christ who died for all, and who reaches out again and again in mercy. No, i hate sin, and compromise is sin, because it waters down the truth and causes division, and to be divided from compromise and complacency, from carnality, that shows the ones who are approved, who adhere to His standard, and they are the ones who God will use to be His light and who are the Ecclesia, the true Church and body of Christ.
So no, i do not have any hatred toward anyone, and if i do not forgive anyone, then i myself will not be forgiven, so i must forgive and love all, whether i like it or not, whether i can or i cannot, because He can, so i can.
In the past i hated everyone and everything, even the singing birds:), i saw the evil in humans and the lies, so i hated them all, and i saw the decay and the death in nature and animals, so i hated all of that also. I hated everything because it was all vanity, all for nothing, all just temporal, and death was stronger than life, so i hated both. I hated the day i was born and taken from my mothers womb, i hated every miserable day of existance and wanted to wake up from this bad dream. I wasn't gonna be fake, superficial, run in the rat race, man pleasing, ars kissing and sucking up, na, for what, for vanity! Striving with what, competing with who, comparing with you and them, but then? Vanity!
"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity and vexation, and a striving after the wind"
So anyway, the God who made man and women, beast and fowl, fish and creature, all of creation, He came, and He bowed me, He showed me what i was hating, why i hated, and He showed me He is just, He is righteous, He is pure, He is good, He is love, He is order, He is law, He is right, He is light, He is everything good, but we are evil, man kind is sin, that is what we are, not what we do, we are bad to the core, look at babies, straight away they start the nonsense. So we are the problem factor, not God, He made everything good and upright, but man sought out many inventions.
So He cut me down, and filled me with His love, gave me a new heart, a new mind, and life abundance, and never fails, never fails!
So i know you are the problem, you need to look at yourself, and measure yourself with Gods standard, and you will see you fall short, so if you fall short of perfection, that means you can't be with Him in His perfect Kingdom of every bliss intensified forever. But that means you must go straight to hell and do not pass Go and collect $200.
So is that His fault, no, it's Adams fault for not obeying God and taking all of us with him. So does that mean you are then not guilty, because it's Adams fault? No, because you also have sinned yourself, and you carry Adams sinful nature inside of you. So what to do, you're in a catch 22, catch it if you dont, catch it if you do!
But alas, there is a way out, the eternal loophole, you must get bornagain, you are born once, you die twice, physical, then spiritual for eternity. You get born twice, you die once, physical, but you must be born twice to die only once. The second birth is a spiritual birth, you must be born of the Spirit of God, which is the Spirit of Christ, which is the Holy Spirit. When you get bornagain, the second birth, then you have the perfected Christ in you, and God will not judge and condemn you, because you got His Spirit in your spirit, His Spirit in your heart, so you have His life. Without His Spirit, His life in you, you are condemned already, you will die twice,because the whole race of Adam is under condemnation, that means the whole world, see why it was so important to give His Son, His Word made flesh, to die for the whole world, so we may become His new Race once and for all, His children, and not the children and race of satan.
So you get His life, you get victory over everything, including death, because of the resurrected Christ that you can get in you, and become one with Him and know Almighty God personally.
If you dont want that, what can i say then but i will pray that you get broken so you can get saved and fixed, better now than for ever and ever and ever, for eternity. Our little brains only know time, but God is outside of time, but can come in when ever He feels like it, and you can let Him in if you believe and ask Him to come, for He is standing at the door knocking, will you let Him in?
Enough of this epinions, i have other souls who want to hear the Words of life, and not just surmise but put some revolution into their lives!
Grace and peace to you all in Jesus name!
One River
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Jan 25 '07
2:02 pm PST
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Re: A stumbling block. (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
Good Ol' one_river doesn't even know that he and his own religion is spewing hatred towards other Christians. As you can see, by reading one_river's evil retort, he has no ethics because of his evil religion - Christianity!
Let me emphasize - he is evil!
Rated-R
p.s. smack a stupid Christian today!
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Jan 22 '07
7:27 am PST
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Awesome! (Reply to this comment)
by djtheory
I can't even begin to catalog the amount of crap I have taken from so-called christians when I tell them I am an aethist. They ALWAYS attack me, despite the fact that I have not attacked their beliefs. The most common thing they tell is that I am going to hell, which makes me laugh. I have to explain to these morons that I don't believe in hell either. They also like to tell me that they will pray for me. My response to this is always the same:Don't Bother. Great article.
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Jan 21 '07
9:02 pm PST
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A stumbling block. (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
Oh well done cope sullivan(Danielle), see the fruit of your doing? That is exactly what i'm talking about, you soft pedal the Gospel, and you end up being a snare and a gin, a stumbling block of offence, making two fold children of hell. When you condone double mindedness and multiple paths by not giving an absolute, then you end up with souls serving two masters, and you should know that is not permissible by the Master, Christ Jesus!
As for opinions and each individual right and their own device and council, i will quote from the Word of God:
"There are many devices in a mans heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand!"
There is the word for you Danielle, neveretheless, nevertheless truth is truth, nevertheless Gods word speaks for it self, nevertheless, dispite your lopsided mercy, Gods justice will still be, and He will still have His judges to call a spade a spade, to preach true repentance, upholding His standard, and puting the S back in IN, and make it SIN!
I can say much and quote much, but i feel not too, i have given forth the oracles of God, so you say what you will, you can epinion yourself how ever you want, nevertheless, His council shall stand. And to you husband the head, call me what you will, wisdom is justified of her children, they called Jesus beelzebub and demon also, but i have learnt over the years as a preacher,prophet,evangelist and teacher, that i am crucified with Christ, and it is not i who live, but Christ that liveth in me. So if what you say is true, i will agree and repent, if it is not, then it is not, because i has been buried. So if i takes offence, then i is usurping the place of Christ, and i has come out of the grave. But i is buried, and Christ is living resurrected in I. So the works i do, it is Christ, the words that i speak, it is Christ, for it is Christ that i have allowed to judge me.
But anyway, truth and compromise cannot be equally yoked, neither can mercy without judgement, for mercy is judgement. But these are aspects that you must learn in God, and seek to learn from Him, because you are found lacking.
You should not let your mercy gift get in the way of Gods judgments, His exhortation, His admonition, you must learn to use your gift when needed, but to step aside when it is time for justice, otherwise you will be an impediment rather than a blessing to the body of Christ, for you are accountable to the whole body, not just your denomination. So learn to balance mercy with judgement, and repent of the compromise you have bowed too, and get on the straight and narrow path of Life, then you can make disciples and not bastards without chastisement.
Nuff said.
Onesimus.
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Jan 21 '07
1:09 pm PST
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cope sullivan said (Reply to this comment)
by dimeuhday
I refuse to judge others based on their beliefs.
-im with you there partner. It's just ashame to me that everyone can't think this way. You're not christian enough... your too christian... preecher.
And because I dont go to church, I was told by a preeching christian that 'You will live an unhappy life, because you dont go to church!'
-ROFL! Yet she always seemed so unhappy herself?! To judge me based on my choices in religion. Ridiculous!
I myself am that with science, but this does not mean I can't believe in God too. But for some.. it means just that. I refuse to argue with the closed minds of some. It's ashame it ever has to come to that.
I take a mix of this religion, and a bit of that, and I believe what I will.
I wish all of you well though. :) I will not look down apon anyone based on their religion.
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Jan 15 '07
7:12 am PST
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Dear One River (Reply to this comment)
by carnutsullivan
One River, I thought this was Epinions and I thought people were to share their opinions and learn from them. You have the right to your opinions and we all have the right to ours without being accosted for it, BUT, YOU seem to want everyone to learn from you yet you rebuke anything anyone has to say, especially my wife Danielle. Yes, I am Danielle’s husband and I will now rebuke you.
I have seen people just like you all of my life and have learned much from people like yourself.
Do as I say, Not as I do
Do as I say, Not as I’ve done
Do as I say, Not as I will do in the future
It is Jesus and God Almighty who will judge and not YOU!
It is Jesus and God Almighty who are the path to truth and not YOU!
It is Jesus and God Almighty who will save and not YOU!
Since when does a mere mortal have such exclusive rights to moral authority and judgment on anyone who presents a slightly different interpretation of the Holy Bible from their own. Aren’t people like yourself supposed to be accepting of others and their differences. Remember, people like yourself have created wars on such similar slight differences of opinion.
Funny, I remember when my wife and I were dating, we went to a party for my soon to be brother in law who went to a church with “believers” much like yourself. I was looked down upon and given the judgmental stare of disgust. What I did to deserve this will always elude me. I encountered them 12 years later at my nephew’s funeral, their church was too small to handle such a large funeral, and we offered our church building. They turned it into a circus in order to serve their own selfish desires of righteousness, telling grieving teenagers and adults that they’d never see my nephew again and they would burn in hell if they didn’t accept Jesus into their hearts right now. The leader of their church snubbed the Pastor of our church and representatives of other churches who were there to support other family members, all this while being guests in a building that was not their own! We now have to live with the memory of this despicable display of selfishness for the rest of our lives. This is NOT how I wish to remember my nephew‘s passing.
It’s funny how people who have been “SAVED” feel they can shove their own personal views of the Lord down everyone else’s throats and commit every sin, as you claim to have done, but they will be saved because they have chosen to ramble a specific “quote” that someone has decided will engrace them with Jesus being their personal savior. I really don’t think it works quite like that, you’ll find out when the end comes if that’s true or not.
Jesus spoke of people like you who supposedly preached righteousness:
“The Teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. Everything they do is done for men to see. They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi.” Matthew 23: 2-7
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.” Matthew 23:27-28
“As he taught, Jesus said, ‘watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces, and have the most important seats in the Synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. The devour widows’ houses and for show, make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.’ “. Mark 12: 38-40
You might want to read ALL of Matthew 23!
I really hope you and people like yourself find the true path to God while being humble at the same time. Vindictiveness is not the path to God and slandering my wife doesn’t make you look good in the eyes of God or Jesus. This is a small world and we must live together, so stop being so angry when others disagree with you. You can’t control what the world does or thinks. You do NOT have the last word on the Bible, that will be God Almighty’s.
With all of the terrible things going on in the world and history coming close to repeating itself (will we ever learn from history), you seem completely out of touch with reality. There is a much bigger evil facing us right now and you must look it square in the face and make changes where they really count. Beating someone with the Bible will do you no good. There is always someone who knows more and there are always people more worthy than you and I who will be graced by the Lord Almighty.
I am not perfect nor is my wife, God knows that, but neither are you. I think you need to look inward and focus on yourself for a while and absorb Christ’s teachings in a more meaningful way. The path you're on right now is self destructive and you will only abandon those who you are trying to help. Try talking WITH people in stead of talking AT people for a change. You will be surprised at the way people react to you.
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Jan 06 '07
8:14 pm PST
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Re: To the Critics! (Reply to this comment)
by CopeSullivan
Quote from One_River: “If you have read my previous statements, and also the justifications of Danielle, then you may be a little confused as to what is going on here. You may be wondering why two supposedly from the same beliefs and faiths seem to be against one another and not in unity. You may be thinking, see, bloody religion, always bringing war and problems, and see the church of Jesus, cannot even get along. If that is your feeling, then you are right. “
~Sigh…. I am totally dismayed. Funny thing happened to me just now. I just got home after spending 8 hours at my church, serving in His name, physical/manual labor and mental/spiritual exertion, and I decide to relax and sit down at my computer and do some reading……. Only to find that I have been completely and thoroughly slandered and trashed by someone who doesn‘t know me one bit, yet has decided to proclaim to the world that I am not one of faith.
I am simply going to say this:
You are the only one here who is "against" someone, be it Rated-R, or me, or the next person who decides to share their views with you (if their views differ from yours).
For starters, you accuse me of being against you. I am not. As I stated before, I hate no one for how they feel or for their beliefs, or lack there of. I was simply stating my views of what the scriptures meant. After all, this is EPINIONS and that’s what we are supposed to do here.
You state that we can’t get along. Nonsense !! I have absolutely no problem getting along with you. YOU are the one who feels the need to “change” me in order to be able to get along with me. I like you just the way you are !!
Secondly… if you are so bent on taking the Bible’s scriptures precisely word for word, with NO room for inserting life the way it is today (as opposed to the way they lived when the Bible was written… I mean, when’s the last time you walked 20 miles through the desert wearing nothing but a burlap robe & sandals to go to the open marked to shop for your families dinner, trading 16 hens for a young calf, that you then took home and slaughtered yourself, being careful not to spill the blood onto the ground and making sure that the animal was completely drained so that your family did not consume any of the animal's life blood.)
So, if you’re that concerned with taking Paul’s each and every word with literal translation, then frankly, you should not even care what I have to say, for Paul stated that women are to only speak when spoken to, are not to utter a word in church, are to cover their heads, and are not to question anything that men tell them… they are simply to go home and do exactly as their husbands instruct them.
So, why should the words of a mere woman concern you, anyway?
One_River, I do not hate or dislike you. I do not wish to argue with you. I accept you just as you are (and yes, I know it doesn’t matter if I accept you). But my point is, I do not wish to “war” with you. On the contrary. I wish that we could just “agree to disagree”. I know that I love the Lord, and the Lord knows how I feel and the things that I do. Frankly, I speak to Him several times a day. And I am sure that the Lord knows your love toward Him, and He will reward you for your loyalty.
I just believe that not everyone’s loyalty has to be cookie cutter, exactly the same acts/statements. He knows who is true, and who is not. Let Him make the judgments. Between you and me, I think you are probably an upright disciple. I just don’t feel that you should be slandering others and telling them that only your way is the right way. There are many paths to God. You choose a different path than I. It doesn’t mean that we have to be “enemies”. We both love the Lord the same. We each have the right to our own opinion, be it slightly different. And we both have the right to voice our own opinions. Again, we should agree to disagree, and be friendly toward one another.
And we should not slander or defile anyone who does not feel the same as us. God is forgiving and merciful. Jesus is love and forgiveness. And God loves all His "children".
Having said that, I bid you adieu. I must retire now, as I am due back at the church in the morning to assist with Communion Sunday.
I leave you with this:
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." ~ Mark 12:30-31
May the Lord Bless you, and shine upon you.
=)
Danielle
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Jan 06 '07
5:02 pm PST
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To the Critics! (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
I am writing now to all the critics, what ever your belief or unbelief. If you have read my previous statements, and also the justifications of Danielle, then you may be a little confused as to what is going on here. You may be wondering why two supposedly from the same beliefs and faiths seem to be against one another and not in unity. You may be thinking, see, bloody religion, always bringing war and problems, and see the church of Jesus, cannot even get along. If that is your feeling, then you are right.
Now i am not writing this to get favour with any of you, for i dont need the favour of man, for i judge myself by the Spirit of God, and need only to find favour with Him, whom i have to do with. And i do not care if you call me a hate messenger, hostile, fanatic, angry, what ever, for truth is truth. And if you do not like the truth i speak, which is the truth of Scripture, given by God to man, and spoken through His Word made flesh, truth uncompromised, not watered down like some do, if you dont like it, then it is truth you do not like and Gods Word you have a problem with, so it's nothing personal. And if you dont believe in His divine Word given to us, then you have another problem all together.
So in summary, what has been transpiring with Danielle and i, basically is one vessel of God, myself, but not i, but Christ that liveth in me, against another vessel, but not them as a person, but their perversion of the Word of God, their compromise of His standard, their soft pedalling of truth in order to please man. Now the reason i contend for the faith(jude:3) is because these type of people have perverted Gods righteousness, making it more palatable, and many who profess they are Christian have done this and so we have all this division in churchianity, 1001 denominations, because man takes Gods word and twists it to fit themselves because of their own discrepancy, their own failure to obey Him, and so they create another Jesus, but this is not the Jesus from the Bible. Because Jesus and the Word that He is, is meant to be taken as it is, not doctoring it up, not convorting it to suit the individual, and when it is taken at face value, then their is unity, and their is a true Ecclesia(Church).
What you have with Danielle is a vessel who has rebellion and so has ustifications. All they can do is quote scripture(the devil does that also(Mat.4,Jas.2:19), and justify themselves which shows they are defensive and have a problem with a particular part of God/Jesus. And as you can see it always stems back to love and judgment with Danielle. Danielle presents a portion of truth, only a part, making Jesus lopsided, but has a problem with Him in His fullness. Jesus is love and mercy, the part Danielle presents, but He is also justice and righteousness, His love entails many aspects, and His love is much broader than that, it is waring, aggressive, holy, just, and offensive also, etc. He is meak, but He is not weak, and He will be merciful to whom He will, and harden and judge whom He will, for He is God(Rom.9:14-29).
And as for judging, Danielle has failed to read scripure with clear vision, and also the many scriptures i have given and the Greek words, the language the New Covenant was written in. Danielle cannot even see and comprehend that by their statements to me, they are judging me by saying dont do this and dont do that, and that i have been accosted with hate, etc. They also fail to see and comprehend that Jesus said clearly that ye shall know them by their fruits. So let me ask you reader, can we know them by their fruits unless we jugde? which means to discern, gather evidence, examine, and draw a conclusion by the evidence? To judge is not to condemn, please read my previous writing about that subject. And Danielle writes they read the Bible, but they read it to suit themself, and their own judgments. If you read Pauls letters, you will see how much he judged, discerned, searched, contended. Paul said to cast out certain ones who where sinning, to take out the spot, before it cause rot, these ones where professing christians(1Cor.5&6,1Jn.2:19). Paul said clearly to judge those who profess to be Gods through Jesus, to judge them, but not to judge the unbelievers for they are not following him and do not know Him, and have not repented and received His Spirit inside them and been bornagain.
Also Danielle fails to see that God is the same, Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever(Heb.13:8). Jesus is the Word of God who was in the Old Covenant, He said He is the I AM, Jesus said that, I AM, He was the One who spoke to Moses and led the Hebrews in the wilderness(1Cor.10:4), so it was Gods Word speaking and leading back then, before He became the Incarnate Word made flesh, Begotten, not made, then He became Jesus, the man/God in flesh, Gods Word made flesh, One with God. So my point is that He has not changed. Danielle again failed to understand my point, and again strained at the knat, and swollowed the camel(Mat.23:24), or in other words, Danielle finds fault with petty things, and fails to understand the broader picture presented, and in the process swallows the camel: which is their rebellion on God, their failure and own lust for something that God told them not to do, or to do, but they did not, and so they have compromissed the standard and have become man pleasers, mincing His Word,rather than obeying His Word and growing up in the knowledge of Him.
See i dont have a problem with you who declare openly what you are and hold to your beliefs, but when a christian, so-called, says they know Him, and love Him, but fight against the ones God has called, justifying their own sins, quoting scripture like they know what they are talking about, riding the same old rocking horse, all because they have some problem with those who keep His standard, because they do not. Those ones are the cause for a watered down christianity, those are the luke warm that make Jesus sick(Rev.3:16), those are the ones who will say Lord, Lord, i did all these things for you, but He will say i never knew you, depart from me ye worker of iniquity into everlasting fire(Mat.7:21-23). Why? because they never knew Him, even though they say they do, they never allowed Him to possess them fully, and to do His work, rather than what they thought was His work, but was really their own religious works of the flesh, like humanism, so they never did His will, but their own religious will, like most churches and religion.
But as for the rest of you, yes, Jesus is love, the personification of love, a love that is much deeper and greater than any of you know, and it is not like the human love that is shallow and dependent upon what someone does or you can do, but what He can do through you, and what you allow Him to do. His love is conditional, conditional upon your response to His love toward you, if you obey Him, and let Him do His work in and through you, then you will be loved(Jn.15:10). God always has conditions, He always has an "if" with His commands, His blessings, His sanctions. If you obey, you will be blessed, if you disobey, you will be cursed, simple!
So yes, God loves all of you, and yes, God sent His Son to die for all of you, even while you hated Him, or didnt know Him, He still gave and loved, and still does. But you must choose to come into His love, to repent of your sin that will damn your soul, He loves you but not the sin, and He must judge sin, He is just, their must be justice, and He did not create hell for you, but for satan and his angels, so He does not want to send you their, so you must take the provision He has provided, which is Jesus, His Son, with no sin, so when you got Him in you heart, and have received His Spirit, then God will see the perfect, sinless Son inside of you, and He will passover you with His judgment and you will be spared. God is merciful, but their is a time where God says enough, like America and the judgments now being released on her for the wickedness of the nation who profess they are christian, but love and make a lie(Rev.22:14-15).
So please, all of you, repent and ask for forgivness, ask for Jesus to cover you with the blood He shed for you, which is the life, to cleanse you, and ask God for Jesus to come and live in your heart, to dwell in your body, soul, and spirit, and ask for Him to guide you and reveal His plan for your life, and He will!!!
Try it, try for yourself, test and see if it is not true, He will change you, for His love is stronger than anything, and you will want to change when you taste of Him, and receive all He offers, which is nothing but life abundance, fulfillment, completion, all your longings and desires satiated and overflowing with His peace, joy, love, blessings in every area. I could go on and on about what He desires to give you all, He knows your soul, He knows all your pain, and speaks back to you, comforts, understands, He is personal and individual, and also corporal and universal. If you think i am lying then try Him, taste and see, take Him up on His words, they are living and filled with life, every word is true, if it wasnt then He would be a lie, but He is not, and He is all truth, and His word is one with Him. Really, i did almost every sin you can speak of, and He forgave me all, and healed me all, and has satisfied every craving that i had and have, so yes, i was the greatest of sinners, and because i have been forgiven much, i love much, but anyone can receive,according to their capacity, of His riches without partiality.
So yes Danielle, my faults and sin where much greater than any, but you see Danielle, i am forgiven, and i have judged myself now, and i am right with God, and so i will judge you in the light that He gives me, for i have no darkness in me, and so i can see clearly, and i can do this because He has done it, and He lives in me, and has set me free, not to use my liberty for myself or the world of sin, or for my pleasure, but for Him, and so i gain every thing in the process, because He loves those who give all, and He in return pours out so much more, and more, and more!
So if any of you want this living Water, this bread of life, this abundance, then you can have if you ask, if you dont, then you will loose everything you seem to have, forever!
amen.
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Jan 05 '07
3:58 pm PST
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Re: Re: Accosted by anger? (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
Hi Lanny,the United Nation(UN) creeds is Humanist or Christian? Selah.
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Jan 04 '07
2:58 am PST
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Re: Re: Accosted by anger? (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
Greetings again Danielle,
I am not going to write a lengthy rebutle to your justifications, i will just state a few points.
Yes, Jesus shed His blood for the New Covenant, but my point was that God in His standard does not change, Paul said that does not give us liberty to sin! To the contrary, he said we uphold the law by the Spirit of the New Covenant that indwells the believer. Of course the Old is fulfilled, but Gods justice remains the same, and He will judge harsher to those who have trampled the blood, and counted it as nothing, as He has spoken through His Son now, read Hebrews! If you abuse the New Covenant mercy Danielle, then you will get His wrath!
Obviously you didnt read or understand the scriptures i gave you on judging, and obviously you are not judging yourself and so you are afraid to judge others by His Spirit, so thats your problem, if you cannot grow up into maturity in Christ, then you are not much good to Him, for we are called to judge!!!
You have become so PC, whats this nonsence about now judging others religion and beliefs? If it is not the way Jesus laid down, the pattern He has given, which was given from the Father, then it is not the way of life, and if you are so feeble minded and so compassionate and loving, then you are decieved with a false covering of love, for you are allowing souls to be damned, and you think thats love? Love is to speak the truth regardless of feeling, opinions, for what are they if they are not according to truth, that is deception. So sober up, quit trying to play ecumencalist and false compasssion.
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Jan 04 '07
12:55 am PST
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Re: Accosted by anger? (Reply to this comment)
by CopeSullivan
Dear One River:
(Quote from you: and just play churchy church, sunday smile, and thats what you call christianity? Or maybe you have come out of that slave system but have not really gone into God, and just sit outside pointing your finger at the other holier than thou christians, but you are luke warm, and have lost His holiest, and so you despise those who have it!)
I refuse to sit here and argue with you regarding my beliefs and whether or not I qualify as a Christian or being “worthy“, in your eyes. The Lord knows just how faithful I am, and how much I serve Him. Also, I do not “despise” anyone. I hold no hatred toward anyone, regardless of whether they share my beliefs or not. Jesus interacted with people who were not believers, ate with them, and graced their homes with His presence (even though He was berated and criticized by the “holier then thou” Pharasies for doing so). It is not your place to judge, but His. And frankly, that is all I’m concerned with. Your feelings & views toward me do not phase me.
( Quote from you: do you think God has changed from the old covenant, the main difference is we have mercy now, but that doesn't do away with His justice!)
Actually, God did change from the old covenant. For example:
“But God found fault with the people and said "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel “It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers” Hebrews 8:8-9
“By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear” Hebrews 8:13
Funny… the Bible clearly states that Jesus brought to us a New Covenant (in far more places then what I outlined above).
(Quote from you: He said "first cast out the speck in you own eye, then the log of others". )
Ummm…. Actually, it says: (Jesus speaking) “How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Luke 6:43
Basicly, Don’t judge/condemn others because your own faults or sins are likely far greater then theirs. Don’t point the finger at them, when you do worse things. You have to “fix” your own issues, before you can even think about helping someone else.
And that, my friend, is about all I have to say in response to you. I refuse to judge others based on their beliefs. You told me to go back and read my Bible. My friend, I have….. Numerous times. And though the Old testament is filled with war and anger and death, the New Testament brings us Jesus with the New Covenant. I chose to follow Jesus’ teachings of loving thy neighbor, and even thine enemy.
Good Day to you, may the Lord shine upon you, and may peace be with you.
=)
Danielle
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Dec 28 '06
1:30 pm PST
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Re: Accosted by anger? (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse!
one_river, you are a fanatic, and an anti-humanist! You can go ahead and preach your disrespectful religion from the highest mountain, but all you are going to get from me, is the true meaning of Christianity. It's hateful ways!
Lanny
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Dec 28 '06
10:38 am PST
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Accosted by anger? (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
Hello Danielle, glad you wrote, i saw your previous comment and wanted to write to you also, but Gods timing is always perfect and it seems i have a little more to say to you now.
First Danielle, Jesus never hinted at all that every human is worthy of respect, for it is written, the Lord is no respecter of persons, and He is not partial in His judgments. You seem to have mingled your so-called christianty with humanism, and are eating compromise pudding!
Jesus came preaching repentance, He came bringing Revolution, ushering in a new Kingdom, and a new order, He came preaching change. Yes, He loves humanity, but He died for the sin of humanity, so He came to bring us dominion over our old nature so that we can change and conform unto the new nature we receive from Him. But the bottom line is "repent", turn from your sin by His grace, then you will be acceptable, come as you are, but do not stay as you are, it is impossible to be bornagain of "incorruptable seed" and not change!
Yes true, "most of you" as you say, are not right with God, but have lowered His standard, and just play churchy church, sunday smile, and thats what you call christianity? Or maybe you have come out of that slave system but have not really gone into God, and just sit outside pointing your finger at the other holier than thou christians, but you are luke warm, and have lost His holiest, and so you despise those who have it!
But i wont go any more on that previous letter you wrote, lets move on.
You quoted me about demons and the daughters of man. It says in the scripture that "the sons of God came into the daughters of man"(Gen.6:4KJV), and there where giants, "nephtali", the term "sons of God", is the term given for the angels, you study the hebrew word, and you study where "sons of God" is mentioned, it is only with Adam and the angels, so the fallen angels came into the daughters of man, and hence there came giants, and other enormous creatures corrupted by demons. I made that point because that is one of the reasons God sent His flood, but of course it was because man in general was sinful, and it was Gods lesson for us that He has done that already, and is a type of Baptism(1Peter), and that He will do it again, but with fire, and the sons of men will be just like then, eating and drinking, marrying, then like a thief in the night, He will come, and just as they mocked Noah, so they still mock the prophets of God and His messengers.
Regarding God and Moses, God never "forgot", God did not need to be "reminded", yes it does use those words, but that is not literal, God does not forget, He does not have amnesia, nor long term or short term memory loss as we can have, God knows all things, past, present, and future. Those words are simply their to show us the mercy of our God, that He does have compassion, that He keeps His word, and also they are there for us to see that we can pray and ask God for mercy when He wants to destroy because of to much sin, like Abraham did for sodom, but in the end as you know, that place was 99% wickedness, so God will keep His people from the coming destruction as in Egypt with the plagues.
Now the main point, my so-called anger, and His love. You need to read properly about Jesus, what did He do in the temple, did He not turn it upside down because of the religious church/pharisee shysters, did not Jesus call the hypocrites fools and whited sepulchres, blind hypocrites, did He not say they are of their father the devil, did He not rebuke Peter and say get behind me satan, did He not call Herod a fox, did He not say that He has come to bring a sword and divide, He did, He did, He did.
Yes Jesus taught love, but His love was not humanistic as you seem to portray, His love was waring, valiant, righteous, holy, you only present half of Him in His love, do you think God has changed from the old covenant, the main difference is we have mercy now, but that doesn't do away with His justice!
And what about judging, you got the word twisted!
Jesus said to judge by the fruit, by the deeds of a person, He said "sin no more, otherwise a worse thing will come" He said "first cast out the speck in you own eye, then the log of others". Paul said in 1Cor2:15 "he that is spiritual judges all things" and in 1Cor.5:12-13, what have i to do to judge those outside(heathen), do we not judge those inside(disciples), and down in chapter 6 he says we shall judge angels and the world, so how is it you cannot judge simple matters. You have the words muddled Danielle, to judge is not to condemn, study the greek, to condemn is Krino, that we must not do, but to judge, to discern, to analise, search, examine, that word is Anakrino and Diakrino, you read it up for your self, we must judge, but first we must judge ourselves with Gods law and His grace and insight.
So when Jesus said about judging and condemning, and the other scriptures, that word is Krino, understand, the rest is all Anikrino and Diakrino.
Also, what you call anger, God calls zeal, fire, righteous indignation, He put that in me, so if you dont like it, thats your problem, but i will give account to my Father, and it is His fire i burn with, it is His zeal that consumes me, so i will not justify my vehemency!
Jesus' love is waring, look at how He died, was not that passive-aggressive, away with passivity without His aggressiveness, thats for church folk, i support Ecclesias,the true church and body of Christ, not some whorish entity that is so filthy and says they are joined to Christ the head, liars! His body is not filthy and corrupted like the institution of church, that man made system, teaching half truths and half lies, presenting them as the whole truth! Too many dead branches in that cracker box, not abiding in the true Vine, Jesus Christ.
And if you got a problem with waring and aggressiveness, you need to read all of Pauls letters, they all deal with fighting the enemies, self, satan, the world. He says..war a good warfare, fight the good fight of faith, put on the whole armour, contend(greek meaning active and offensive, not defensive) for the faith, endure hardness as a good soldier, put the enemy under foot, James talks about resisting the devil, all the Epistles, the letters talk about this warfare against satan, who goes about as a roaring lion seeking to devour souls, satan is aggressive, we must be also, sin is aggressive, the world is not passive, we must overcome it by waring, spiritual warfare with spiritual weapons.
You want scriptures for any of these above, i will give them happily.
You need to realise there is a war going on, and you either overcome with Jesus, or you will be succumbed and overcome by demon spirits. True Christianity is War, right from birth in Jesus, and praise God, it feels good to fight and always prevail in Jesus, for He overcame the world and every demon spirit out of hell.
I could go on and on but nuf said!
And remember, many are called but few are chosen, many will say, Lord Lord, but He will say depart from me you workers of iniquity, even though they said they knew Him, also He said He will spew out the luke warm, they are neither hot nor cold, and those who love and make i lie, who say they love Him, with their mouths, but their deeds speak for themselves, they will burn also(Rev).
Away with this soft pedal, fluffy, love bubble christianity, its all traditions of man that make Gods commandments of no effect, read the Bible properly and obey, then you will know Him, and His Ecclesia/Church. Most people think church is what it is, but it is not, that is why they dont want it, sunday church is from babylon!
For any other readers, yes it is war, but it is also, peace, joy, satisfaction, so satifying, so much peace, love, contentment, and so much more, all these go hand in hand with war. And if anyone does not understand what i say, you need to pray, or ask Jesus into your heart so you will understand and gain His life now, not later, His kingdom comes inside when you ask Him in. Please contact me at onewin@slingshot.co.nz for any queries, insults, mockings, hatred, anger, whatever you got, if you are seeking truth, then bring it to me! If you want to know how i came to the truth, then write to me also.
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Dec 27 '06
1:05 am PST
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Accosted by hate? (Reply to this comment)
by one_river
Hello Danielle, glad you wrote, i saw your previous comment and wanted to write to you also, but Gods timing is always perfect and it seems i have a little more to say to you now.
First Danielle, Jesus never hinted at all that every human is worthy of respect, for it is written, the Lord is no respecter of persons, and He is not partial in His judgments. You seem to have mingled your so-called christianty with humanism, and are eating compromise pudding!
Jesus came preaching repentance, He came bringing Revolution, ushering in a new Kingdom, and a new order, He came preaching change. Yes, He loves humanity, but He died for the sin of humanity, so He came to bring us dominion over our old nature so that we can change and conform unto the new nature we receive from Him. But the bottom line is "repent", turn from your sin by His grace, then you will be acceptable, come as you are, but do not stay as you are, it is impossible to be bornagain of "incorruptable seed" and not change!
Yes true, "most of you" as you say, are not right with God, but have lowered His standard, and just play churchy church, sunday smile, and thats what you call christianity? Or maybe you have come out of that slave system but have not really gone into God, and just sit outside pointing your finger at the other holier than thou christians, but you are luke warm, and have lost His holiest, and so you despise those who have it!
But i wont go any more on that previous letter you wrote, lets move on.
You quoted me about demons and the daughters of man. It says in the scripture that "the sons of God came into the daughters of man"(Gen.6:4KJV), and there where giants, "nephtali", the term "sons of God", is the term given for the angels, you study the hebrew word, and you study where "sons of God" is mentioned, it is only with Adam and the angels, so the fallen angels came into the daughters of man, and hence there came giants, and other enormous creatures corrupted by demons. I made that point because that is one of the reasons God sent His flood, but of course it was because man in general was sinful, and it was Gods lesson for us that He has done that already, and is a type of Baptism(1Peter), and that He will do it again, but with fire, and the sons of men will be just like then, eating and drinking, marrying, then like a thief in the night, He will come, and just as they mocked Noah, so they still mock the prophets of God and His messengers.
Regarding God and Moses, God never "forgot", God did not need to be "reminded", yes it does use those words, but that is not literal, God does not forget, He does not have amnesia, nor long term or short term memory loss as we can have, God knows all things, past, present, and future. Those words are simply their to show us the mercy of our God, that He does have compassion, that He keeps His word, and also they are there for us to see that we can pray and ask God for mercy when He wants to destroy because of to much sin, like Abraham did for sodom, but in the end as you know, that place was 99% wickedness, so God will keep His people from the coming destruction as in Egypt with the plagues.
Now the main point, my so-called anger, and His love. You need to read properly about Jesus, what did He do in the temple, did He not turn it upside down because of the religious church/pharisee shysters, did not Jesus call the hypocrites fools and whited sepulchres, blind hypocrites, did He not say they are of their father the devil, did He not rebuke Peter and say get behind me satan, did He not call Herod a fox, did He not say that He has come to bring a sword and divide, He did, He did, He did.
Yes Jesus taught love, but His love was not humanistic as you seem to portray, His love was waring, valiant, righteous, holy, you only present half of Him in His love, do you think God has changed from the old covenant, the main difference is we have mercy now, but that doesn't do away with His justice!
And what about judging, you got the word twisted!
Jesus said to judge by the fruit, by the deeds of a person, He said "sin no more, otherwise a worse thing will come" He said "first cast out the speck in you own eye, then the log of others". Paul said in 1Cor2:15 "he that is spiritual judges all things" and in 1Cor.5:12-13, what have i to do to judge those outside(heathen), do we not judge those inside(disciples), and down in chapter 6 he says we shall judge angels and the world, so how is it you cannot judge simple matters. You have the words muddled Danielle, to judge is not to condemn, study the greek, to condemn is Krino, that we must not do, but to judge, to discern, to analise, search, examine, that word is Anakrino and Diakrino, you read it up for your self, we must judge, but first we must judge ourselves with Gods law and His grace and insight.
So when Jesus said about judging and condemning, and the other scriptures, that word is Krino, understand, the rest is all Anikrino and Diakrino.
Also, what you call anger, God calls zeal, fire, righteous indignation, He put that in me, so if you dont like it, thats your problem, but i will give account to my Father, and it is His fire i burn with, it is His zeal that consumes me, so i will not justify my vehemency!
Jesus' love is waring, look at how He died, was not that passive-aggressive, away with passivity without His aggressiveness, thats for church folk, i support Ecclesias,the true church and body of Christ, not some whorish entity that is so filthy and says they are joined to Christ the head, liars! His body is not filthy and corrupted like the institution of church, that man made system, teaching half truths and half lies, presenting them as the whole truth! Too many dead branches in that cracker box, not abiding in the true Vine, Jesus Christ.
And if you got a problem with waring and aggressiveness, you need to read all of Pauls letters, they all deal with fighting the enemies, self, satan, the world. He says..war a good warfare, fight the good fight of faith, put on the whole armour, contend(greek meaning active and offensive, not defensive) for the faith, endure hardness as a good soldier, put the enemy under foot, James talks about resisting the devil, all the Epistles, the letters talk about this warfare against satan, who goes about as a roaring lion seeking to devour souls, satan is aggressive, we must be also, sin is aggressive, the world is not passive, we must overcome it by waring, spiritual warfare with spiritual weapons.
You want scriptures for any of these above, i will give them happily.
You need to realise there is a war going on, and you either overcome with Jesus, or you will be succumbed and overcome by demon spirits. True Christianity is War, right from birth in Jesus, and praise God, it feels good to fight and always prevail in Jesus, for He overcame the world and every demon spirit out of hell.
I could go on and on but nuf said!
And remember, many are called but few are chosen, many will say, Lord Lord, but He will say depart from me you workers of iniquity, even though they said they knew Him, also He said He will spew out the luke warm, they are neither hot nor cold, and those who love and make i lie, who say they love Him, with their mouths, but their deeds speak for themselves, they will burn also(Rev).
Away with this soft pedal, fluffy, love bubble christianity, its all traditions of man that make Gods commandments of no effect, read the Bible properly and obey, then you will know Him, and His Ecclesia/Church. Most people think church is what it is, but it is not, that is why they dont want it, sunday church is from babylon!
For any other readers, yes it is war, but it is also, peace, joy, satisfaction, so satifying, so much peace, love, contentment, and so much more, all these go hand in hand with war. And if anyone does not understand what i say, you need to pray, or ask Jesus into your heart so you will understand and gain His life now, not later, His kingdom comes inside when you ask Him in. Please contact me at onewin@slingshot.co.nz for any queries, insults, mockings, hatred, anger, whatever you got, if you are seeking truth, then bring it to me! If you want to know how i came to the truth, then write to me also.
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Dec 27 '06
12:56 am PST
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Mr Smack a Christian. (Reply to this comment)
by rated-r
Okay, 150
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Dec 17 '06
10:07 pm PST
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Re: Re: Re: Mr Smack a Christian. (Reply to this comment)
by zenmachado
This one makes 149... one more and you got 150...
ZeN
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Dec 17 '06
9:51 pm PST
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Re: Re: Mr Smack a Christian. (Reply to this comment)
by ginzo
I don't care much for "one rivers" comment but I reread it and reread it and I don't see ANY hate.
In fact i see him using NOTHING but the word "love
" in each sentence that you quoted
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Dec 17 '06
7:26 pm PST
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wow... (Reply to this comment)
by lacechenault
read almost all of the comments here....
can't believe it's still getting comments..
damn I have to write something about my Atheist views....
you just gotta make it to 150
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Dec 16 '06
10:29 pm PST
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Re: Mr Smack a Christian. (Reply to this comment)
by CopeSullivan
In Reply to "One River's" Comment, and I quote: "Is it not love to wipe out the pollution that had infected man and the world by demons coming into women and animals, and keep alive a few and some animals to re-populate the world again. Is it not love to make a covenant with man, a promise that cannot be broken but by death, a promise for the generations after Abraham forever. Is it not love to come down in fire, power and glory, and speak to man through Moses and give laws to bless us if we obey, and curse us if we do not. Is it not love to speak through man through prophesy by His Spirit, and teach us and plead us to return to Him so he doesn’t have to destroy us?"
Wow... Do I detect a bit of anger and rage in your entire comment. Oh, don't get me wrong, you have a right to your own opinion.... but that sounds to me like quite a negative, hate filled tongue lashing.
I felt the need to share my opinion, though, regarding the above excerpt from your comment.
First of all, where in the Bible does it say that God destroyed everything because of women and animals being possessed by demons. Yes, in Genesis 6 God talks about man marrying the beautiful daughters of men, and having children by them, but it does not accuse the women of anything other then being beautiful. It actually implies that the men were doing wrong by taking as many wives as they did/wanted. Then, it goes on to say, The Lord saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was evil all the time. The Lord was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain. So the Lord said, ‘I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth - men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air - for I am grieved that I made them’.” ~Genesis 6: 5-7
After the flood and destruction of all of creation (aside from those on the Ark), God felt remorse and promised to NEVER destroy ALL living things again. ""Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done."~Genesis 9:15
Also, Moses was the chosen one to bring the commandments to the people. However, due to the peoples behaviors while Moses was on the mountain, God was enraged against the people, and "forgot" for a moment, what He had promised. However, Moses reminded Him of His promise, and God "relented" and saw that Moses was right. " Turn from your fierce anger: relent and do not bring disaster on your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendents as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendents all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.' Then the Lord relented and did not bring on His people the disaster He had threatened." ~ Exodus 32:12-13
So, in my opinion, God is a loving, forgiving Lord, and He sent Jesus to us to prove this. Jesus taught that same love, and He also taught against discrimination or hatred toward anyone:
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.~ Luke 6: 27-28.
Do to others as you would have them do to you. ~Luke 6: 31
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.”. ~Luke 6:35
I fail to see any hatred or anger in Jesus' words. I do hear Jesus teaching kindness, and that the Lord is merciful and forgiving.
But, that’s is just my opinion.
Also.. One more thing, as my final comment - How about: “ Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”. ~Luke 6:37. Jesus’ own words !!
P.S... "rated-r", I may not agree with your points of view, but I can kind of now "see" the anger and resentment that you've been accosted with.
=)
Danielle
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Dec 16 '06
11:55 am PST
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