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Yup, all are entitled to rate as they please. (Reply to this comment)
by popsrocks
I believe I have become a better writer in a particular category because you have given me the "dreaded Helpful" with a comment.
Thanks for this piece.
Thanks for the honest rates.
Thanks for the comments!!
pops
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Nov 27 '07
9:06 pm PST
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Bravo! (Reply to this comment)
by captaind
That's it - don't need to say more :-D
CaptainD
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Sep 19 '07
4:23 pm PDT
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I guess I've mellowed with age... (Reply to this comment)
by helenekhoffman
...in that I'm briefly taken aback, but not really bothered by less than VH ratings anymore. Not everyone is going to think I'm a good writer or enjoy my review style, and that's fine. If I can dish it out by criticizing certain albums/songs/music in my reviews, I shouldn't get bent out of shape when someone expresses dislike of my writing through a downrate. :)
-Helene
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Sep 19 '07
1:54 pm PDT
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Yep (Reply to this comment)
by carstairs38
I must admit, when I get an H, my first response is "How dare they!" Then I take a deep breath and look at my review again to see if it is anything obvious. If it isn't, then I decide whether or not to find out more. Most of the time I just shrug it off. What's the stray rate here or there.
And since I've been known to be the loner rater, I can't complain too much.
It just takes that first deep breath.
Mark
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Sep 18 '07
11:11 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Re: Valuable (Reply to this comment)
by sleeper54
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hey there again Vasilis...
you said...
". . .if you’re going to plagiarise a previous one you’ve left you still have to change some words(1). Takes some work(2). And then, you can’t really keep re-inventing the same comment(3), you’ll make an a-- of yourself(4), at some point you have to write a new one(5)."
...smalllol...
In order: 1.-No you do not, 2-no it does not, 3-yes you can, 4-yes you will*, 5-no you do not.
You can take that 'comment template' and change it very little, perhaps as little as changing the product name, and make it appear to be a 'fresh' comment. I would assume a comment is worth a lot more than any silly ol' rate for earning an Advisor hat. As far as I know there is no dashboard feedback to Leads on specific comments and their content.
I know, a lot of assumptions there. I will be _glad_ to have some of that content disproved.
So are you going to report 'rubberstamped' comments to any given Lead..?? That might be the first step.
...tom...
* but will anyone notice..??
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Sep 16 '07
8:54 pm PDT
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Re: Re: Valuable (Reply to this comment)
by lammet
Hey there Tom!
You believe
It is as easy to rubberstamp a comment as it is a rate
Uh, dunno… To rate all you have to do is click. You can’t actually “rubberstamp” a comment, if you’re going to plagiarise a previous one you’ve left you still have to change some words. Takes some work. And then, you can’t really keep re-inventing the same comment, you’ll make an a-- of yourself, at some point you have to write a new one. In the end you might as well read the freakin’ review and write a review-specific comment :o)
You also say
Who is going to monitor all these comments..? To confirm the validity of any user's time spent commenting..?
Uh, dunno again. There will certainly be some logistics involved – but aren’t there now? One of the privileges of lowly members is that we can suggest but we don’t have to implement :o) On a more serious note, it’s Brisbane’s problem to find ways to make things work – they get paid for it, don’t they? – let’s not make their problems ours. And, in a final analysis, I think it’s wrong to stay with an obviously flawed system because a better one will be harder to implement.
Just my 2-cents again.
-Vasilis
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Sep 16 '07
4:13 pm PDT
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Re: Valuable (Reply to this comment)
by sleeper54
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hey there Vasilis...
you said...
"Here’s a suggestion to take up to Brisbane: instead of having to read a (exorbitant) minimum amount of reviews, hats have to leave a minimum number of comments. Now you can’t really post a meaningful comment if you haven’t actually read the review, can you?
Just my 2-cents. Thanks."
It is as easy to rubberstamp a comment as it is a rate. I am sure you have seen them. I would guess that it is still commonly done by those seeking to garner or retain a hat.
Who is going to monitor all these comments..? To confirm the validity of any user's time spent commenting..? Sounds as problematic as the current system.
...tom...
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Sep 16 '07
8:19 am PDT
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I personally like (Reply to this comment)
by jnbmoore
when you H a review and leave a reason and the author goes "Well everyone one else gave me a vH, since you had no good reason to rate me down rerate."
So the next time you read their review and leave an H, you see no reason to comment cause they'll just be upset. So they go "I don't understand why nobody told me why they gave me an H"
Then you reply with "Well I figured by your response last time you really didn't want to know"
Then they are "see, this advisor is just mean. If they wanted to help me they would answer my question"
That's when you give them a line by line analysis of why their review was H instead of VH and they ignore it....
(All quotes above are paraphrases).
I also enjoyed the professor who told me I had no right to rate his students' work low....
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Sep 16 '07
6:01 am PDT
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Valuable (Reply to this comment)
by lammet
points Andrew, but I suggest we enlarge the perspective. epinions may have started out as a consumer advice board (and this it still does) but it has developed into a community of regulars who are interested to write, read, exchange views, joke and generally have a good time. But as in any community, they are also interested in recognition. And that, starts with their reviews exhibiting VH after VH. The problem you touch on stems from this.
But the need to garner approbation has led to a bigger, vastly bigger problem in my opinion: Rating Circles and Rubberstamping in general. And Hats, are widely suspected of indulging in this. Here’s a suggestion to take up to Brisbane: instead of having to read a (exorbitant) minimum amount of reviews, hats have to leave a minimum number of comments. Now you can’t really post a meaningful comment if you haven’t actually read the review, can you?
Just my 2-cents. Thanks.
-Vasilis
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Sep 15 '07
6:08 pm PDT
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My favorite... (Reply to this comment)
by pmills1210
came from the writer who e-mailed me and asked me what gave me the right to OT their piece and prevent non-members from reading the piece. This person considered my rating a form of censorship. The member was subsequently called out by me for writing duplicate reviews and having multiple accounts. The reviews disappeared from the site just a few days later. You offer great advice for every egotist who belongs to Epinions. Thanks for sharing!
Sincerely, Pat
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Sep 15 '07
8:43 am PDT
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Re: hey there... (Reply to this comment)
by bob_tomato
The Don can dream, can he not? The peoples, they hide in the darkness, but the Don, he brings the light to all the peoples, and leaves a link to the light in the comments boxes of the peoples that need it most. (along with a fresh supply of aitches)
Don de la Tomato
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Sep 14 '07
6:47 pm PDT
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hey there... (Reply to this comment)
by sleeper54
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It is always interesting to try to . . .'decode' the origins of these pieces. I half expected to find a large number of 'H' and 'SH' rates on your last 100 ratings page. I had this image of you swinging you broadsword through the infidel reviews sending each home to their maker.
Or perhaps it was a reaction to one particular rate, recent or otherwise. Or a series of . . .'challenging' rates over the past few days/weeks/months.
Or perhaps your involvement in the dispute of another . . .'entangled couple' in your category.
Anyway ...I guess wondering is more voyeuristic than productive.
Perhaps the only thing missing from your essay was an appearance by the good 'Don' . . .it has been so long since I last read him ...I have forgotten his particular . . .'shtick'. (Sorry, not the right word. Do know I support his 'shtick'.)
Anyway . . .a very illuminating essay. Unfortunately, its light will likely not fall in the darker corners (and minds) of the site.
Very nicely said.
...tom...
"We ask advice, but we mean approbation."
—Charles Caleb Colton
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Sep 14 '07
6:29 pm PDT
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Re: Very Helpful contribution to epi-literature (Reply to this comment)
by bob_tomato
MHobi,
I was definitely confuzzled about where to place this piece, since it does have bits and pieces of various Helpfuliciously intended topics mized in... so, yeah - I chickened out and went with the more generic Member Messages topic.
(suppresses sudden urge to point towards the Dutch Mountains)
I - I'm feeling odd right now. Must be something I ate.
The (Subliminalized) Tomato
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Sep 14 '07
2:42 pm PDT
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although (Reply to this comment)
by shopaholic_man
you left out the specs and ingredients in your review, I still found it to be very helpful!
Now if only people will read this
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Sep 14 '07
10:29 am PDT
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