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Re: Re: By the way... (Reply to this comment)
by vicfar
John,
even the NY times questioned the story. There was nothing in the women's files to make us think their were mentally impaired.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/world/middleeast/21iraq.html?ref=world
Many blogs have derided the story. My conclusion is that there is no evidence to support it. This, nowadays, passes for journalism...
Cheers
Vic
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Mar 25 '08
2:34 pm PDT
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Re: By the way... (Reply to this comment)
by trust12345
Hey Vic,
That's a big "by the way"! Please point me (if you recall) in the direction of any sources that call this story's veracity into question. For what it's worth, I did try to compare details among many sources, but also-- it was fresh after the event. Any notion of wholesale fabrication in the media would be distressing (and hardly "news"), but on the other hand, it would be cheering to know the depravity described therein was not as heinous in reality...
-John
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Mar 21 '08
7:16 am PDT
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By the way... (Reply to this comment)
by vicfar
We shouldn't believe the media too much. Everything I have read about this story strongly suggests it was 100% fabricated. Not that I have sympathy for Islamic terrorists, but let's be careful before believing Western media - they have a bad habit of lying about everything that relates to the Middle East. Their goal is quite clear...
Vic
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Mar 20 '08
2:15 pm PDT
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Hiya (Reply to this comment)
by smorg
Well said, John! It is depressingly amazing how anyone could rationalize this tactic. There's no 'suicide' here indeed... just mass murders.
Those who strapped those bombs to those women are cowards who sent out defenseless someone out to die in their own place. It actually makes me wish that the religions are right just so that they'll get to own up to their crime somewhere somehow when they do snuff it.
Cheers,
Smorgy :o)
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Feb 24 '08
2:05 pm PST
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Re: Re: Re: And it's our fault (Reply to this comment)
by trust12345
No- I think we actually agree, then. I agree we (USA) share responsibility in creating a deplorable situation, and that our presence has given rise to many horrible situations that would not likely have occurred had we not invaded. But again, the specific heinous crime is not "our fault" insofar as no one forced the terrorists in question to strap bombs on mentally disable women, etc etc. The assigning of blame is tricky, because one can say (as you have) it's all our fault since we invaded in the first place, but our presence (no matter how warranted or not) does not justify inhumanity.
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Feb 06 '08
10:15 pm PST
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Re: Re: And it's our fault (Reply to this comment)
by beckytcy
There was a lot less terrorist activity in that area of the world before we invaded. Yes, the terrorists are horrible people and should be held accountable for their heinous crimes. But I honestly don't think this would have happened if we hadn't started bombing Iraq. But of course that's all speculation, so we might just have to agree to disagree.
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Feb 06 '08
7:15 am PST
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Re: And it's our fault (Reply to this comment)
by trust12345
Becky-
I heard about this, and it's incredibly awful. Just one more reason why we never should have invaded Iraq.
I'm sorry, but I disagree totally that this is "our fault." I'm 100% against the war in Iraq, and would agree that it has only helped terrorist recruitment, but there is nothing about our presence per se that should elicit such a response (i.e. the use of the mentally handicapped as remote control "suicide" bombers), and I dare say there is nothing anyone in any war could ever do that would justify such action. No matter how desperate anyone in this world is, there are other outlets, other ways of fighting, other alternatives. We may have set up a stage for this general misery (and for that we bear enormous responsibility), but for those specific heinous crimes, it is only the perpetrators who are to blame.
-John
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Feb 05 '08
12:32 pm PST
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And it's our fault (Reply to this comment)
by beckytcy
I heard about this, and it's incredibly awful. Just one more reason why we never should have invaded Iraq.
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Feb 05 '08
10:49 am PST
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It's difficult to be shocked any more these days... (Reply to this comment)
by NFP
...either by terrorist actions or the acts of some of those who seek to counter them. But when I read about this in the paper the other day, I really was stunned. And then I thought, why should I be stunned? They have never cared, and they are getting increasingly desperate.
It's beyond sick. nick
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Feb 04 '08
2:27 pm PST
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by ace3502
The atrocities are imaginable. We can pray and hope for the best in the coming months that peace will start to find this area.
Thanks for bringing this to peoples attention. It is a problem area that should not be swept under the rug.
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Feb 01 '08
7:06 pm PST
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