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not what i call underground (Reply to this comment)
by willwork4food
you missed some good albums but canibus and common arnt underground really. canibus wanted to blow up into the rap game but wasnt marketable and he had bad promotion and production. and immortal technique isnt really underground anymore. he goes against the grain and is independent but his fan base is huge and is doing all types of world tours
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Feb 22 '10
6:17 pm PST
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by scar_zgb
OK,OK, I didn't mean to diss you when I advised you to check that records.
OK, however, I see that you split mainstream and underground by lyrics, not by label.
I think major label artists are mainstream, and indie label artists are underground.
If you split them by lyrics, you would put common in underground. That's ok, but then Big L is mainstream right? Or those dirty south crunk rappers which are put in unsigned hype section in xxl mag. Are they mainstream too because they make crunk?
I think you missed the point.
p.s. sorry for J Live, I meant J Rawls.
Sven
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Apr 10 '08
11:50 am PDT
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Re: hey (Reply to this comment)
by crazy_chris
Thanks for your comments and recommendations.
For you information, I do know J-Live (see #11 on the list), Dr.Doom, Cage, DJ Jazzy Jeff, Blackalicious, JMT, Sadat X, Wu-Affiliates (see Killah Priest #10 & #16), Kool G Rap, Mata Ace, D.I.T.C. including O.C. and AG and have most of all these artists' discography! Unfortunately, if they are not there, it is because I just don't feel they made any album that is better than what's on the list.
As for the being signed aspect and I will touch on the two other comments below as well, I have said it and will say it again: "Undergound Hip Hop" is not defined by artist's contracts, distribution, record sales or radio rotation, but rather by the being in synch with the undergound movement and the message and values that are reflected in the content of the album... You may see this differently, but looking at this with an artistic viewpoint, it is clear that The Roots or Common's hip hop and Lil Wayne, Soldier Boy or 50's hip hop are not the exact same type of art. Common's hip hop is much closer to J-Live's hip hop... That's what I mean by undergound; it's a subgenre of Hip Hop. There exist (we should all be glad!) commercially succesful underground artists as well.
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Apr 09 '08
10:01 pm PDT
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hey (Reply to this comment)
by scar_zgb
I hadn't seen your work before but I like what you do...but this list isn't what I thought it would be when I have seen the title.
My opinion is that you had written too short info on each album, you should spread that into 2 parts, 20-10 and 10-1 with longer info.
And almost half of a list are major label albums, which means that they are not underground.
And I think that you had not listened to many underground stuff, it seems like you know only Canibus, Kweli and some newer guys.
Check some J-Live, Dr.Doom, Cage, DJ Jazzy Jeff, Blackalicious, Zion I, J Rawls, Mr.Lif, JMT, Sadat X, Edo G. stuff, or even some Wu-Affiliates, D.I.T.C. and Masta Ace's stuff to make list better.
What about classics from O.C., Kool G Rap and others.
Revise this because this is great idea.
Sven
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Apr 08 '08
3:11 pm PDT
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Well... (Reply to this comment)
by chaostamer
This is an interesting list, but I have a few issues. First off, how are Common, Talib Kweli, The Roots, and Gang Starr "underground"? These guys have solidified their places in the hip-hop mainstream; at worst, they're members of high standing in the alternative scene. To a lesser extent you can debate the inclusion of Killah Priest and Canibus to the mainstream/alternative scene. I do love that The Offering album, though. I wouldn't include a single Canibus album - he's one of the most overrated emcees out there. The same goes for Immortal Technique. Big props for J-Live though.
Interesting read.
Peace,
Kyle
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Apr 04 '08
9:48 pm PDT
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by foureyedfrog
fail to see how Common's "Finding Forever" is anywhere near an underground album, but overall great choices man. There are many underground gems I think you didn't list like Jedi Mind Tricks "Violent By Design" but overall great choices, as well as write-up.
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Apr 04 '08
6:10 pm PDT
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