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Re: Re: whoa... don't be mean... (Reply to this comment)
by dged
Here! Here! My MINI has helped me AVOID accidents because of its spot-on handling. The review's bottom line is a trashing of the MINI because of a presumed lack of safety. That presumption is bogus. The MINI has a top safety rating.
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May 01 '11
6:28 pm PDT
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Read the fine print (Reply to this comment)
by hatched_1
Just an FYI: the 4 star safety rating is only comparable to cars in its weight range. Therefore, if a Mini strikes an SUV, or for that matter lets say an accord or camry, that 4 stars has no merit.
On the other hand, no one seems to complain about the Honda Fit or other new small cars on the market that easily are in the same range. I think the attention goes to the Mini simply because its SO short and compact overall.
Either way, the reviewer does make a valid point. Anyone that argues that point needs to remember simple physics. Fact is, people still resist wearing seat belts even with horrific accident pictures and very detailed crash test research. I say go buy whatever you want and accept the fact that car accidents happen daily all around you.
Better yet go to an insurance auto auction and see for yourself what is "safe." Just watch out for all the SUVs with blood and vomit on the headliner.
Side note; I drive an 06 Accord with all the airbags etc. However, if I get hit by some jerk in a lifted truck or SUV and his bumper is at my head level or above what happens then? Thats one the government doesn't seem too concerned with.
I'm sorry I got carried away but I hope I did make some sense anyhow :)
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Nov 19 '07
8:19 pm PST
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The car is called a MINI. (Reply to this comment)
by elconde
Hence, it is small.
You rambled on for an interminable length to conclude that you don't like the car because it is small (true) and it is therefore unsafe (debatable). Did you tell us anything we didn't already know? Certainly not, and you tease your "flaw" in the review like it's some kind of Fox News Alert.
Do you drive a school bus? After all, if you're only driving an Escalade, you're asking to get killed in a collision with a tractor trailer.
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Nov 09 '05
10:15 pm PST
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Re: Re: Do Your Research Before Trashing a Car's Safety Rating (Reply to this comment)
by bamatt
No the real funny thing is that a reviewer that holds the titles of "Top Reviewer" & "Advisor" would tell the rest of us lowly non-titled reviewers that we are irrelevant & that our comments are noise & do not matter. Without us lowly non-titled people there would be no one to read your silly reviews.
We DO MATTER.
We are the backbone of Epinions & we are the reason for which Epinions exists. I think someone needs to do a review on the fact that you are allowed to hold any "title" on this website. The whole purpose of Epinions is for regular people to share the experiences that they have had with products that they have owned or used. In my opinion Epinions did not start out as a place for people to come & try to crank out mass quantities of reviews so they can achieve titles. If that is the new mission statement for Epinions then I think us regular folks need to look elsewhere for advice.
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Oct 14 '05
9:53 am PDT
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Re: Re: Do Your Research Before Trashing a Car's Safety Rating (Reply to this comment)
by underdawg
Great retort.
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Aug 14 '05
3:13 pm PDT
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Re: Do Your Research Before Trashing a Car's Safety Rating (Reply to this comment)
by hwz1
The funny thing is that all of you are irrelavent on this site. Your noise does not matter.
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Mar 06 '05
8:11 pm PST
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Do Your Research Before Trashing a Car's Safety Rating (Reply to this comment)
by bamatt
Try checking out the facts before you make false assumptions. I get tired of reading reviews especially by non-owners (a.k.a. test-drivers) where the reviewer says the Mini is unsafe because of it's size. The Mini is a very well made vehicle. It was designed with extra safety in mind.
The Mini is rated "good" (the highest mark available) in 5 of 6 categories in a 40MPH frontal crash by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. In the 6th category the Mini received a rating of "acceptable" (which is the 2nd to the highest rating).
The Mini will handle a frontal crash just as well as your BMW 3 Series. If you believe that the Mini is unsafe to ride in, I suggest you sell your BMW 3 because if an SUV hits your BMW you will be no safer than I am in my Mini Cooper.
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Jan 28 '05
4:13 pm PST
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I survived (Reply to this comment)
by ziur
I just had my first accident while driving my Mini in a state road. A 18 wheeler didn't see my car and got hit on my rear. I can honestly say, I felt totally safe in the car. Not even one scratch on my face. My neck was tense for three days from the impact. I could say safety is good inside the Mini.
I am disappointed about the cost and time to repair the Mini. The impact of the 18 wheeler pulled the mini rear inward; therefore, a total loss. The car parts are not expensive, however, they will practically need to rebuild the entire car. From body frame to muffler and so on. Its not the quality ($$ of parts) is the quantity.
The bottom line is: safety is good but the time and cost to repair damages is worthless.
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Sep 25 '04
11:17 am PDT
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Re: Why would 3 advisors give this review VH? (Reply to this comment)
by floridafish
I agree with you 100%.
Please remember to rate the review. Your voice should be heard by those who only give a quick glance.
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Sep 09 '04
8:36 am PDT
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Re: Mini Coopers are safe! Research your facts! (Reply to this comment)
by floridafish
You forgot to rate the review. I didn't. Your voice should be heard too in the ratings.
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Sep 09 '04
8:33 am PDT
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Re: Mini Coopers are safe! Research your facts! (Reply to this comment)
by floridafish
I agree. The facts were not properly reviewed. Maybe ol' Bubba was disappointed there wasn't room for a gun rack...?
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Sep 09 '04
8:30 am PDT
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Why would 3 advisors give this review VH? (Reply to this comment)
by Artizan
I do occasionally wonder about the selection process for eopinions advisory staff. This review is one of the reasons.
First: the title is clearly biased and without information.
Second: (if I understood this disjointed essay) the reason you should not buy a Mini as advertised in bold print is: "insects are bigger than this car, and you can find yourself in a ditch after impacting a junebug". After such a bold headline degrading a product, one would expect a substantive reason. A reason that is clearly lacking in this review.
Third: "Now from I have learned this is fairly impressive for a four cylinder engine." is pulled directly from the review. Incomplete thoughts abound in this review. What review did the advisors read?
Finally: This review actually says a lot of nice things about the product. I found more positive comments than negative; and yet the author seems bent on disparaging the product.
Why would an advisor give such drudgery a Very Helpful rating?
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Sep 08 '04
3:57 am PDT
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Mini Coopers are safe! Research your facts! (Reply to this comment)
by dwbowers17
This reviewer is clearly biased towards the Mini Cooper simply because it's a small car. BMW has designed the Mini to be small, safe, and fun. This reviewer has assumed that the Mini is not safe simply because it's a small car and they have not taken the time to look at any of the government crash test data. Actually, the Mini has done very well in government crash tests. It received the second highest rating in government crash tests indicating that the driver and passenger would not be seriously injured in an accident. This is a much better score than that received by many of the large SUVs. Additionally, SUV's are much more likely to rollover than a Mini and they aren't nearly as much fun to drive.
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Sep 07 '04
9:28 pm PDT
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Why Bash a product in your title? (Reply to this comment)
by floridafish
I just don't get why anyone would bash a product in the title of a review. Why suggest that other people not buy it? May I offer that in the future you offer something like "Why I would not buy this product?" Saying things like "You should not buy" seems pretty harsh and potentially damaging to the company. I have read some of your other reviews and some people are actually taking some of your advice. Okay, you may have a flair for writing, but this is supposed to be a review of a specific. I hope to see some of your writing in other forums designed to exhibit your creative side.You will do very well there. As for opinions, I would like to see less company bashing. It just isn't fair.
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Aug 05 '04
10:35 pm PDT
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Why Bash a product in your title? (Reply to this comment)
by floridafish
I just don't get why anyone would bash a product in the title of a review. Why suggest that other people not buy it? May I offer that in the future you offer something like "Why I would not buy this product?" Saying things like "You should not buy" seems pretty harsh and potentially damaging to the company. I have read some of your other reviews and some people are actually taking some of your advice. Okay, you may have a flair for writing, but this is supposed to be a review of a specific. I hope to see some of your writing in other forums designed to exhibit your creative side.You will do very well there. As for opinions, I would like to see less company bashing. It just isn't fair.
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Aug 05 '04
10:33 pm PDT
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Wha? (Reply to this comment)
by bryanska
This is the worst review I have ever read. The reviewwe included all sorts of information that was already available elsewhere, and then proceeds to offer an inane and superstitious opinion on the car's safety.
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Jul 01 '04
1:42 pm PDT
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Honest & Straightforward (Reply to this comment)
by immac
Thanks for the honest review. The safety issue is clearly an opinion--which is what this is all about, right? EPINIONS.
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Jan 08 '04
10:56 am PST
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Re: My rating (Reply to this comment)
by kenikov
" It is ridiculous to even compare formula one safety to street car safety. A formula one cars construction is completely different to a street car, and a F1 car is designed for racing, not everyday use on the street."
I hope you weren't replying to me, because I was just contradicting the first person who decided to use an F1 car to compare to MINIs safety.
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Nov 04 '03
4:33 pm PST
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My rating (Reply to this comment)
by ra64,  in Cars & Motorsports
I rated SH because I thought the way the review was presented was misleading. Although size is a valid factor in safety, the same criticisms could be said for any small car; you make it sound like this is a Mini cooper specific problem. Thus the one star rating for the cooper is unfair.
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Oct 16 '03
11:49 am PDT
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My thoughts... (Reply to this comment)
by ra64, in Cars & Motorsports
On the size of a vehicle vs. safety:
In the event of a collision with another vehicle, the bigger vehicle will obviously "win." However if both vehicles strike a concrete wall that does not give way, I don't believe you will be any better off in a larger car.
On formula-one safety:
It is ridiculous to even compare formula one safety to street car safety. A formula one cars construction is completely different to a street car, and a F1 car is designed for racing, not everyday use on the street.
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Oct 16 '03
11:38 am PDT
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Re: Re: YES! (Reply to this comment)
by kenikov
"I am a Trauma Nurse and most of the accident victims we get are from SUV's so they are not safer. SUV's have a 6% higher accident rating than cars so maybe you should not drive a large vehicle either. I love my MINI."
That comment was indeed, quite biased.
According to many news channels, accidents happen due to the driver of SUVs. Many don't have their seat belts on, so they are thrown from the car and SUV drivers tend to be more aggressive on the road. They also have the power and size to be aggressive, so an accident is just waiting to happen. This is in no way, the cars fault, but the driver.
Please don't mention roll-overs. Cars now from Volvo (my favorite company) have roll-over protection. Lexus, BMW, Benz and Toyota are still developing theirs (NBC Dateline). According to NBC news and from representatives of Ford and GM, most of the fatal SUV accidents happen not because of the roll-over, but because the passenger and driver did not have their seat belts on.
When the safety straps are on, the death rate on roll-overs are greatly reduced.
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Oct 13 '03
4:02 pm PDT
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Re: whoa... don't be mean... (Reply to this comment)
by kenikov
"The key here is that in a mini, you have a better chance of AVOIDING an accident due to the quick steering, agile handling and DSC/ABS. Accident avoidance characteristics coupled with state of the art safety devices make for about as safe a car as you can hope for."
How do you avoid a pick-up truck ignoring a stop sign and ramming right into you? Accidents happen, and are not easily avoided.
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Oct 13 '03
3:57 pm PDT
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Re: Chevrolet Formula 1 Team? (Reply to this comment)
by kenikov
"I thing that you establish that Mini is a unsafe car maybe for the dimension, but what about Formula 1 Cars."
Your formula 1 theory, is highly flawed.
Formula one cars aren't safe. The F1 tracks must be extensively cleaned, because if their is a rock or anything else on the track it will deter the F1 off its course and send it flying into the wall, or into another car.
Also, the F1 cars are designed to take hits from other F1 cars, or the wall (in other words, similar weight). Not against other larger vehicles on the road.
Even then, people lose their legs, or life in crashes.
If one were to drive an F1 on the normal road, you will surely lose your course and go off the road due to objects in your way. Why? Because the car is too low to the ground, which makes it quite unsafe on normal roads.
Also, the MINI Cooper and Cooper S both do not have millions of dollars invested to improve the safety in it. How much does an F1 car cost? How much does your MINI cost?
How much does a Ferrari Convertible cost? How much does your MINI cost? The investment in safety is totally different.
Not even comparable.
You can chose not to believe us, but go ram your MINI into a Ford Excursion. You won't walk away.
Truly safe cars like Volvo are even larger than the MINI.
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Oct 13 '03
3:55 pm PDT
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Good Advice (Reply to this comment)
by brobdig
I think this column is good advice: if you are such an inattentive driver that you let people sneak up on you, and you worry that you can't drive well enough to avoid people hitting you, or you hitting them, then you should get a really big car to make it more difficult for them, something slow and heavy and very visible.
Of course, if you are such a bad driver as all that, why in heaven's name would you be looking at a sports car like the MINI anyway?
Frankly, I find idea that some lurching SUV would be able to hit me in a Cooper S absurd. With its excellent visibiliy, acceleration, and handling, you only need a split-second's warning to get out of the way.
I feel less safe driving a huge boat that can't turn, accelerate quickly (e.g. an Explorer), or stay in a narrow parkway lane. An SUV makes me feel like a sitting duck on the road.
If you want to be safe on the road, learn to drive well. And then buy a car that permits you to drive well. If you can't or don't want to drive well, don't buy a MINI.
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Jul 28 '03
7:25 am PDT
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Buy a Tank!! (Reply to this comment)
by cubicle
If your worried about safety on today's highways and interstates, buy a tank it's the only thing that will save you from the 500,000 semi truck accidents a year in this nation.
If you are shopping for a small sized auto, then the Mini is at the top of its class in safety.
I own an SUV and plan on buying the Mini in the next year for commuting purposes and I whole heartedly recommend the purchase of a Mini based on all the positive merits found in hwz1's review.
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Jun 04 '03
4:57 pm PDT
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A few things to address (Reply to this comment)
by kenikov
Using Logical physics, he is right. The smaller the car, the more it will hurt in an accident. If you still want to break the laws of physics you can check at car.com, it will show you. Look under compact-car safety, and SUV safety.
SUV accident deaths are mostly due to the passenger not wearing a seatbelt during an accident. When rolling over, that makes a big difference. However, the Jeep Liberty and Ford Escape got very impressive safety scores, and they have a fair size to go with that.
F1 cars are safe, yes. But how many people get injured or die out there? Greg Moore on Indy Racing died, and Alexander Zenardi lost his legs. Safe? How about I put you behind the wheel of one of those things.
Don't forget that height makes a difference too. If you head to suvworld.com, they will have pictures at the forums of SUV in a crash with a compact car. The wheel just goes over the car to collide.
Most accidents, are called accidents because you can't prevent or avoid them. If you've seen Wildest Police Videos you see people just getting taken out from the side because a moron decides to speed a red-light. How can you avoid that?
If I was on the highway, I would take a Jeep SUV over a MINI anyday.
Your review was kind of flawed though. If the vehecle was perfect in everyway except for one "huge" problem being it's size, it shouldn't be a one star. If it was perfect in every way except for that one flaw, maybe a 2 or 3 without recommendation. You might want to rethink that.
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May 27 '03
9:27 pm PDT
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whoa... don't be mean... (Reply to this comment)
by arch_8gl
Is there any reason for every single comment to bash the reader on their lack of technical knowledge? (which they professed to know little of) Ease up people...
For those reading, if there is any doubt left, the MINI is very safe... they have built tons of safety features into the car so that it will do it's job in an accident and protect the passengers.
Admittedly hitting a hummer in anything, at highway speeds is going to be losing deal for the non-hummer...
The key here is that in a mini, you have a better chance of AVOIDING an accident due to the quick steering, agile handling and DSC/ABS. Accident avoidance characteristics coupled with state of the art safety devices make for about as safe a car as you can hope for.
As for giving this car to first time drivers, I'd strongly recommend against it... the limits of the car are FAR too high for a first time driver to appreciate and respect. Accidents will be abound, no fault of the car, but because the driver lacks the ability.
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May 26 '03
6:56 am PDT
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Re: Re: safety issue seems to be your own issues (Reply to this comment)
by emmaaa
Not certain WHAT safety ratings you referred to. This seems to be some sort of battle, but you just don't have the facts- MINI was recently given 4 of 5 stars, better than a lot of cars (or other types of vehicles) on the road. But you just don't get it. I'm not clear on why you insist on maintaining your argument??? Hope you are happy in your SUV, (I'm not about to tell anyone what they should drive), but I sleep far better knowing I'm damaging the environment less, and get maybe twice your mileage...
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May 23 '03
9:59 am PDT
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An ignorant assessment... (Reply to this comment)
by emmaaa
This review was written well before the MINI safety ratings were revealed, which placed the car at a more than respectable 4 of 5 stars for its class. Seems silly to be prattling on about something the author knows nothing about. As any MINI owner knows, the strength (no pun intended) of the car is not in size, but in MASS. A stripped MINI still weighs in at almost 2,500 lbs., much of which comes from significant passive safety and impact components in the frame, etc. The author wants me in nothing but an SUV, just so that I can compete on the road?? Sorry, not interested, I'd prefer the active safety of the MINI anyday-- and I won't have to worry about a rollover...
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May 16 '03
10:08 am PDT
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Chevrolet Formula 1 Team? (Reply to this comment)
by malvarez
I thing that you establish that Mini is a unsafe car maybe for the dimension, but what about Formula 1 Cars. Right now is different that old american idea that said bigger is better. Mini embody Technology. Thats it. You never likes European cars. You like a bulky cars like navitagor, hummer, that kind of awful american cars. Try to know, Peugeot, Citroen, Renault. All of them Formula 1 Team. Chevrolet Formula 1 Team?, maybe Dodge Formula 1 Team? No buddy
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May 13 '03
2:18 pm PDT
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