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I've seen both sides of this issue
by LadyChristine | Dec 25 '99
I have 4 sons, 3 of which are circumsized due to my ex-husband's insistance. My personal opinion is that this is a cruel practice, which is why I didn't have it performed on my oldest son. He has never had any infections. I've always ensured that I...Return to opinion
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Re: Good advice, but... (Reply to this comment)
by T.Westerhof
Poseidon, not every Jew agrees with you, and there are some Jews who don't give a damned cent whether their children are Jewish, I'm a descendant of one, so don't state a majoity view as fact
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Jan 21 '00
4:48 am PST
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Re: Good advice, but... (Reply to this comment)
by LadyChristine
Thank you for your compliment. And I can understand completely what you are saying. Some people lose their objectivity about some issues, this being one of them, breastfeeding being another. A new parent or an expectant mother need to realize that regardless of whatever anyone else says, the final decision lies with the parent and the consequences of that decision, be what they may, rest on that parent's shoulders. No one has a right to browbeat them or threaten them about their decision.
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Jan 12 '00
7:01 pm PST
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Re: But... (Reply to this comment)
by LadyChristine
I was not caving into Poseiden. I was simply editing my opinion. In some ways I did not make myself clear when I originally wrote this opinion. And I neglected to address the aspect of how circumsision is a religious practice to some, because it hadn't even entered my mind. I'm a buddhist. I have no knowledge of Jewish religion. Therefore, I will not be so foolish as to argue about the Jewish religion with Poseiden. I admit my ignorance of the religion and their practices. There is no need for me to compound my ignorance by arguing with him about it. I have no right to judge the jewish religion, and I wouldn't want someone sitting in judgement of my religious beliefs. I still believe that circumsision is a cruel needless practice. But that is my personal opinion and I am not so childish or ignorant as to feel that my opinion is right and everyone else is wrong.
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Jan 11 '00
10:44 am PST
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Re: But... (Reply to this comment)
by ash_
The first sentence should have read...
I really liked your opinion a lot, but not when you caved in to poseidon's objections at the end...
oops!
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Jan 10 '00
6:43 pm PST
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But... (Reply to this comment)
by ash_
I really liked your opinion a lot, but not you caved in to poseidon's objections at the end... If circumcision is definitely a cruel practice why must any baby have to suffer it?
There are more & more Jewish parents that are choosing not to circumcise their sons at all...
http://www.noharmm.org/factfinder.htm#alternatives
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Jan 10 '00
6:41 pm PST
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Re: Retraction not necessary (Reply to this comment)
by LadyChristine
Thank you for your advice. I wish I had known this when my son was born (he will be 7 yrs old next month). My son's doctor was the one who told me to retract the foreskin and clean underneath it. And I have to admit that there were times when I picked him up from his daycare that I was glad I did, since against my instructions they used powder on him during diaper changes and it kept getting under the foreskin. I don't know whether you put that information in your opinion (if you've written one on this subject, I haven't had a chance to read and see yet), but if you didn't, you may want to go back and add it. It's very useful to know to new mothers with uncircumsized boys.
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Jan 09 '00
9:46 pm PST
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Re: Yes!!! (Reply to this comment)
by LadyChristine
Thank you very much. I appreciate your words of praise.
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Jan 09 '00
9:42 pm PST
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Re: Thanks!!!! (Reply to this comment)
by LadyChristine
Thank you so much for your kind words. Unlike poseidon, you obviously were able to read my opinion with objectivity instead of bias.
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Jan 09 '00
9:41 pm PST
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Re: Good advice, but... (Reply to this comment)
by LadyChristine
I think that the purpose of the opinions on this subject was to inform people who DO have a choice of their options, what to expect, etc. Obviously, if Jewish people don't have a choice in the matter, why would they even bother to read the opinions expressed on this subject? These opinions are aimed at people who have a choice. We are trying to inform them of both sides of the issue so that they can make the right choice, whatever that may be. And since it seems that most of (if not all) of the people expressing their opinion on this subject were no more jewish than I am (I am a buddhist), so I am sure they were able to read my opinion in the manner it was given: as a point of view, not a law written in stone that all must follow.
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Jan 09 '00
9:40 pm PST
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Retraction not necessary (Reply to this comment)
by Scookie5
Just wanted to comment that retracting an infant's foreskin is not necessary and potentially harmful. Leaving well enough alone is the best advice. Retraction might not happen until adolescence and that's perfectly normal. The penis is self-cleaning and needs not special attention. External washing is all that is required, just like you would wash any other part of the body. The boy will learn to clean his own genitals when he is older. For more information, visit the American Academy of Pediatrics brochure and NOCIRC:
Newborns: Care of the Uncircumcised Penis
http://www.cirp.org/CIRP/library/normal/aap/
"Answers to Your Questions About Your Young Son's Intact Penis"
http://nocirc.org/publish/pam4.html
Sincerely,
Suzanne Cook
Scookie5@aol.com
Mom to Kirstin (9), Cody (7), Kaylin (5), Cameron (4), Kira (2) and Kimberly, born on December 22, 1999!
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Jan 01 '00
11:21 am PST
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Good advice, but... (Reply to this comment)
by poseidon
...you can't still forget that in the Jewish culture, you must circumcise your son in order to have your child be Jewish. Whether or not you consider it cruel is irrelevant.
Jewish culture considers the act of circumcision a command from God. This is the action of making a convenant with God to follow Him and obey Him.
If you're not Jewish, you definitely have a choice as to circumcise your child or not. I don't see where this issue is being addressed though.
As far as comparing this to female circumcision, though, there really is no comparision. That procedure is unnecessary, cruel, and has no basis in religion. It is a cultural procedure used to ensure the female will not enjoy sex and will keep her chaste.
A male circumcision is a totally seperate animal altogether.
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Dec 28 '99
2:44 pm PST
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Yes!!! (Reply to this comment)
by zenagrrl
All I can say is, "Well Said"!!!
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Dec 27 '99
1:17 pm PST
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Thanks!!!! (Reply to this comment)
by PRESLEY32
I just completed my eoinion on this issue and although I don't agree with EVERYTHING you said, I do appreciate you addressing it. Thanks so much and I look forward to reading your other views.
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Dec 25 '99
10:10 pm PST
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