Let's Talk About Sex...(graphic)
Jan 20 '00 (Updated Apr 08 '00)
OK. After all, other than urination, that IS what the penis is for, right?
Let's talk about sex with uncirc'ed and circ'ed men. Some people say "Sex is great now with my circ'ed man/circ'ed penis! I don't see how it could possibly be any better!"
Well, this reminds me of sex in high school vs. sex now. Remember how when you first had sex you thought, "Wow that was great, it can't get any better!" But of COURSE as you get older, more experienced, more uninhibited, etc, it gets better and better all the time! Therefore, just because sex is great NOW doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be better, right? So, let's be open to the idea that sex *could* possibly be better WITH all the factory parts intact...
I had some absolutely fabulous sex with circ'ed men. But once I had sex with an intact man I had a basis for comparison and noticed little things I didn't notice before.
What I noticed was that I can have sex with my uncirc'ed husband for hours and hours. Then again, he's one of those lucky men who can have multiple orgasms. Previously when I had a boyfriend sturdy enough to handle all-nighters I woke up feeling like I'd been riding a horse all day (I think you women know what I mean) Not so with my husband. The foreskin is designed to facilitate sex for the woman, it makes entry easier and smoother.
Now, I've never had to use lubricants with ANY man, circ'ed or uncirc'ed, I never had a problem in that department. But I did notice that with circ'ed men, especially if we were having a 'quickie', I usually had to get things going with a little saliva applied down there. I also noticed that occasionally after thrusting the drier circ'ed penis would every now and again 'catch' my labial lips and sort of 'mush' them in (which was rather painful) Maybe you women know what I'm talking about? Anyway, not so with an intact man.
I also noticed that many circ'ed men seem to really need to pound away at you. Of course DH will do that if I ASK for it :-), but circ'ed men seem to really need to work up an increasing pounding motion, especially toward
orgasm. With DH, sex is more of a smooth gliding feeling which in my opinion is very, very pleasant.
And of course, when you're talking about handjobs or oral sex, I feel that nothing beats a clean uncirc'ed penis. And how clean does it have to be? Well, a shower once a day with soap seems to work just fine for my husband. In the three years I've been with my husband, I've never seen any 'smegma' or noticed any offensive odor at all. And, after I saw how the foreskin worked so well during masturbation, I felt sorry for men who were forced to rub, whack, pull or yank their dry circumcised penises, of course all the while spitting in their hand constantly or using lotion to 'lube' things up. The foreskin provides such a smooth comfortable natural way to make love that now that I know what I'm missing, all things being equal between a circ'ed man vs. an uncirc'ed man, I would prefer the uncirc'ed man.
I've occasionally heard people claim that the uncirc'ed penis doesn't really 'enter' the woman, and the man is just 'masturbating inside his foreskin', that may be true for someone who's foreskin is abnormal (phimotic) and doesn't retract, but for a normal functional intact man, his foreskin naturally draws back to the base when erect, and upon penetration, the skin is as tight as a circ'ed man's would be. But on withdrawal, the man goes back into his own soft moist warm skin - instead of into the cold dry air. This helps keep things from drying out as well.
For those who have never seen an uncircumcised man, and are curious, I recommend this site (WARNING: contains nude pictures of adult men)
http://www.circumstitions.com/Gallery1.html
As far as circumcised men, now that I know what to look for, I realize I have seen many men damaged by circumcision, either in pictures, or in the flesh. I have seen men with skin bridges, discoloration, missing frenulums, bowing and curvature of the penis, tightness of the skin, pain upon erections and of course prominent scar lines from the circumcision itself. For an excellent site that can help you identify damage from circumcision, go here (WARNING: contains nude pictures of adult men) You may be surprised to see things you thought were "normal" are really damage from infant circumcision...
http://www.circumstitions.com/Gallery1.html
http://www.circumstitions.com/Botched1.html
http://www.circumstitions.com/Botched2.html#scar
http://www.circumstitions.com/Botched4.html#uneven,
Now, let's discuss the 'hygiene' issues and 'medical' reasons people use to defend circumcision. It never ceases to amaze me when Americans slander the poor foreskin when many of them have never seen one! And I find many Americans are very ethnocentric, assuming the America is far ahead of the rest of the world and we are the only ones who know how to do things right. Many pro-circ parents would be surprised to know that there are hundreds of countries in the world, and America is the only country who still circumcises their boys for non-religious reasons. Can people honestly believe that Americans are healthier and superior to all the rest of the men in the world? As this esteemed doctor said,
"All of the western world raises its children uncircumcised and it seems logical that, with the extent of health knowledge in those countries, such a practice must be safe."
- C. Everett Koop, MD, Former Surgeon General of the US
Saturday Evening Post, July 1982
As far as drawbacks to being uncircumcised, I haven't noticed any other than the fact that an uncircumcised man is slightly more likely to smell like urine first thing in the morning. As far as UTI's? Well, less than 1% of uncircumcised men get UTIs, but 3% of women do. In my family, neither my uncircumcised husband OR I have EVER had a UTI. So, no advantage there. What about penile cancer? Men are more likely to get BREAST cancer than penile cancer. How many men do you know with breast cancer? What about foreskin infections? Well, it's true that foreskins CAN get infected, just like ears, eyes, nose, stomachs, or any other part of the body. And yes, it's pretty logical to assume that if a part of your body is missing,it can't very well get infected, can it? After all, people without fingers don't get hangnails, and people without eyes don't get conjunctivitis. Right?
Unfortunately I've seen a lot of misinformation on this board. Uncircumcised men do NOT cause cervical cancer in their partners. They do not have a statistically significantly higher chance of contracting HIV. And anyway, WOMEN are much more likely to contract HIV from heterosexual sex than a man is. Why not devote our time to making sex safer for THEM, instead of MORE safe for men (who already have a lower risk?) The studies performed in this area were done in Africa in areas where 50% of people are infected with HIV, and the subjects were truck drivers who had unprotected sex with prostitutes. Hardly an unbiased sample. Besides, the U.S., in spite it's high rate of circumcision, still has a HIGHER rate of HIV infection than other nations that do not circumcise.
Nation AIDS cases per 100,000 population
USA 16.0
Australia 4.5
Canada 3.8
France 3.5
Netherlands 3.1
United Kingdom 2.4
Germany 2.2
Sweden 2.0
Norway 1.6
New Zealand 1.2
Finland 0.9
Japan 0.2
SOURCE: http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/
**PLEASE NOTE**
Of course, if you are a Jew or Muslim, circumcision is of religious significance and is a convenant with God. I feel this is to be respected. I have absolutely no argument with Jews who circumcise for religious reasons...but as far as parents who just cut foreskins off for cosmetic or 'medical' reasons, I don't really understand the purpose.
**PLEASE ALSO NOTE**
I have offered facts and studies on circumcision, but I have also offered my experiences and opinions, which of course are subjective. And, as I said, I've had some great sex with circumcised men, but I do believe that men benefit from having that extra part. It IS functional, useful and fun. And it's no more dirty or disease prone than a woman's plumbing is.
The point of my post is NOT to malign circumcised men, or make them feel inferior in any way, because they are not! The differences I have noticed are very slight, and I've found that attitude, intent and experience plus a healthy dose of love and affection for your partner, is what really counts in the bedroom. The ones I worry about are the circumcised men who keep insisting the extra skin must be "dirty" and "too much trouble to wash". This gives the impression of a person who is probably not too much fun in bed, and not very relaxed about sexuality and bodily functions in general.
Anyway...the point of my post is this: the foreskin has a few functions. It is not just a "flap of skin" but EVEN if it were, it's a flap of skin that is a PART OF YOUR PENIS! And, let's be honest here, when we're talking about that area of the body....
...isn't it pretty much ALL good down there?!? Wouldn't YOU rather decide what parts to keep?
Lastly, I have some interesting quotes that apply to the circumcision debate. Food for thought!
"All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."
- Arthur Schoepenhauer
"Tradition will accustom people to any atrocity."
- George Bernard Shaw
"My own preference, if I had the good fortune to have another
son would be to leave his little penis alone."
- Dr. Benjamin Spock, Redbook, April 1989
"Whatever is done to stop the terrible practice of circumcision will
be of tremendous importance. There is no rational medical reason to support it."
- Dr. Frederick Leboyer, author, Birth Without Violence
- "I believe the time has come to acknowledge that the practice of routine circumcision rests on the absurd premise that the only mammal in creation born in the condition that requires immediate surgical correction is the human male."
- Thomas Szasz, M.D.
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