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| susieq112 |
Posted: Nov 05 '07, 8:28 pm |
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Reviews written: 542 Member since: Dec 30 '01
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RE: New Search Stuff...
Kimm, I just wanted to let you know and maybe some others, that moving category-less reviews in K&F does not make a category appear for them on your profile, I don't know about other sections but I did spend some time moving many of my reviews eariler this week and most, if not more, of my reviews are now catergory-less...
I did notice atleast in K&F certain products haven't been affected like carseats. A search on your carseat reviews should land your listing on the first page, but some of the toys have multiple listings now and some of the newer listings are better and some are worse. K&F seems to be a bit of a mess, with some baby foods lingering over in Food & Wine and the old listings are hard to pull up in search.
Some of my SAP'd items, the reviews I wrote are gone and other reviews in old listings (and with no new listings to put them under) are only found by googling them, even if that works...
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| phungus |
Posted: Nov 05 '07, 9:29 pm |
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Reviews written: 2309 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: New Search Stuff...
Quote: joyfulgirl91 Roheblius Man never wears a shirt at all.
Sounds like the beginning of a new Chuck Norris fact. |
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| carstairs38 |
Posted: Nov 05 '07, 11:09 pm |
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Reviews written: 1205 Member since: Oct 03 '05
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: sleeper54 ...
It all comes down to why anyone is writing here.
If a writer is here for hits/visits, reads, click-throughs, possible IS ...maybe this universal writer does need to be concerned about all that and the effect (short-term and long-term) of recent site changes on all that.
If a writer is here to write, share their opinion, read the opinions of others, and willing to accept what visits come their way by whatever means ...then maybe they should just keep doing what they have been doing.
...tom...
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Like you, I write in the media categories. But I write to be read. I do this to share my opinion and hopefully help others find stuff I have enjoyed. If they haven't heard of it before, all the better.
And yes, this comes at a time where I am trying to reach the top 1000, so hits are more important then normal to me right now.
However, even in normal times, the idea that no one can find my review bothers me. I hate writing to a vacumn. So I always care about hits and findability. I want as many people as possible to find my reviews and read them.
Mark |
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Nov 05 '07, 11:28 pm (Updated: Nov 05 '07, 11:29 pm) |
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Reviews written: 406 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: carstairs38 I write to be read. I do this to share my opinion and hopefully help others find stuff I have enjoyed. If they haven't heard of it before, all the better.
And yes, this comes at a time where I am trying to reach the top 1000, so hits are more important then normal to me right now.
However, even in normal times, the idea that no one can find my review bothers me. I hate writing to a vacumn. So I always care about hits and findability. I want as many people as possible to find my reviews and read them.
Mark
Except for not writing in Media categories, I do the same. I have always felt outside reads were the reason for my writing. I, too, am reaching for a personal goal; 500,000 reads. It seems that writing all year for limited IS is like saving up for the holidays, but I fear that this year that holiday IS boost won't happen. Even my number of member reads and rates is down since the new load. Many of the reviews I counted on to reach those goals now reside in some obscure category called "Preview Categories" which I understand doesn't generate IS and doesn't count the hits toward totals.
I can handle the bumps in the road for the future, but when I read Epinions management as saying that much of the work of the past six years is no longer useful and I should start over again, maybe the long term isn't worth it either.
Larry
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| roheblius |
Posted: Nov 05 '07, 11:32 pm |
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Reviews written: 601 Member since: Dec 13 '99
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: gamblin_man
I can handle the bumps in the road for the future, but when I read Epinions management as saying that much of the work of the past six years is no longer useful and I should start over again, maybe the long term isn't worth it either.
I think you may be reading way too much into what has been said so far Larry. If you want to go further in depth into what you posted here, send me an e-mail. |
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 12:15 am |
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Reviews written: 406 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: roheblius I think you may be reading way too much into what has been said so far Larry. If you want to go further in depth into what you posted here, send me an e-mail.
Check your email.
Larry |
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| scmrak |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 6:44 am (Updated: Nov 06 '07, 6:45 am) |
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Reviews written: 1365 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: anderclayton But generally if you put a film in quotes the first result should be the exact name of the film with less exact hits listed down from it. Prior experience with the local search engine suggests that it does not reliably support the quotes-as-specific-string convention employed by the several million other search engines on the planet. YMMV.
In Books, including the author's name with the title will usually narrow down the results to eight or ten hits (unfortunately, typically all the same book). In Movies, perhaps inclusion of the director's name would help.
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| KMINER |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 8:17 am |
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Reviews written: 1005 Member since: Jan 17 '00
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RE: New Search Stuff...
Quote: roheblius Right now, just Andy wears a cape with an S on his chest.
I'm wearing an orange and yellow bandanna.
Well today's a day I am glad to be me :) lol.
Even for your colorful costumes I bet you both are getting swamped with a lot to get the site on track ... Thanks! :) Kimm
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 6:39 pm |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: scmrak Prior experience with the local search engine suggests that it does not reliably support the quotes-as-specific-string convention employed by the several million other search engines on the planet. YMMV.
In Books, including the author's name with the title will usually narrow down the results to eight or ten hits (unfortunately, typically all the same book). In Movies, perhaps inclusion of the director's name would help.
I know it doesn't support it. It should.
The only semi positive thing that I can see from the change (and it is greatly overbalanced by the general search crap) is that the engine now recognizes "s" instead of dropping it from the search qualifiers. :) A search for "The Others" used to get "The Other Sister" first. Now it gets something else entirely.
I don't think the director's name really matters and personally gimicks like that are pretty much irrelevant for me because when I complain about the search engine it isn't in reference to people 'in the know' but rather people that have no clue about stupid Epinions quirks (general searchers).
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 6:44 pm (Updated: Nov 06 '07, 6:45 pm) |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: sleeper54 ...
It all comes down to why anyone is writing here.
If a writer is here for hits/visits, reads, click-throughs, possible IS ...maybe this universal writer does need to be concerned about all that and the effect (short-term and long-term) of recent site changes on all that.
If a writer is here to write, share their opinion, read the opinions of others, and willing to accept what visits come their way by whatever means ...then maybe they should just keep doing what they have been doing.
Italic emphasis mine. It seems likely that pretty much everyone wants some degree of visibility through posting on the site. In fact I'd come close to guaranteeing it.
At this point I've pretty much given up the IS thing and am mostly posting things because.... Well, because CaptainD told me to do it:) Really for the small set of people that find my reviews through other means.
This doesn't mean that I don't want new readers though and if the site doesn't provide a format for people to find my reviews, it isn't doing its side of the bargain. The bargain being that I post my reviews, it gives me a place to be seen by people other than my pals.
Ander
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 6:58 pm |
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Reviews written: 496 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: anderclayton --snip--
...when I complain about the search engine it isn't in reference to people 'in the know' but rather people that have no clue about stupid Epinions quirks (general searchers).
Ander
I would be willing to bet that more Eps reviews are found by google and other search engines hits than by on-site searches, pre- or post-'catalog woes' times.
Which gives us all some cause for hope.
...tom...
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 7:11 pm |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: sleeper54 I would be willing to bet that more Eps reviews are found by google and other search engines hits than by on-site searches, pre- or post-'catalog woes' times.
Which gives us all some cause for hope.
...tom...
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But if the results implied by the new prioritizing are accurate it seems like the right stuff isn't really being found by Google.
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 7:35 pm |
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Reviews written: 496 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: anderclayton But if the results implied by the new prioritizing are accurate it seems like the right stuff isn't really being found by Google.
Ander
You are right, we are all screwed.
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...tom...
' who can not stand to worry about it all one more second . . .so he will simply stick his head back in the proverbial sand. Some one kick me in the arse when it is all better, OK..?? '
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| joyfulgirl91 |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 9:42 pm |
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Reviews written: 157 Member since: May 14 '05
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: anderclayton
This doesn't mean that I don't want new readers though and if the site doesn't provide a format for people to find my reviews, it isn't doing its side of the bargain.
Ander
I hate to say this, because many of my favorite writers on the site are immersed in the categories classically considered labors of love, but if we don't choose to provide Epinions with reviews of the things their shoppers are searching for and spending money on, how fair is it really to say they aren't doing their side of the bargain? |
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 9:54 pm (Updated: Nov 06 '07, 9:55 pm) |
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Reviews written: 406 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: Why is you here..??
Quote: joyfulgirl91 I hate to say this, because many of my favorite writers on the site are immersed in the categories classically considered labors of love, but if we don't choose to provide Epinions with reviews of the things their shoppers are searching for and spending money on, how fair is it really to say they aren't doing their side of the bargain?
There are a few hundred thousand new listings in Tools and Accessories with no reviews. Shopping.com gets up to $0.25 per click-through on those. If you write a review on one of these it will not show on the listing, the review will likely be placed in a preview category and not even show up in the category just-in, and the only hits it is likely to get are from outside search engine placement. Since it is in no category, those hits won't count for totals for the writer and will not accrue IS from the $0.25 that Shopping.com gets. Hopefully this is a transitory problem, but it has been ongoing in Pets since June. I would say that asking us to write reviews that will generate income because the Google search engine is good and won't distribute either some of it or the other benefit of hit counts to the writer is unfair.
Again, this is a bug, but I wouldn't blame any writer for holding off until the dust settles.
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 10:09 pm |
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Reviews written: 2184 Member since: Aug 25 '02
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: sleeper54 he will simply stick his head back in the proverbial sand. Some one kick me in the arse when it is all better, OK..?? '
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I hope, as the rest of you do, that it will be all better, soon.
popsgettinhisfootreadytotakeaimattom'sarse
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| roheblius |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 10:35 pm (Updated: Nov 06 '07, 10:37 pm) |
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Reviews written: 601 Member since: Dec 13 '99
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RE: *laugh*
Why doesn't everyone wait until we fix some of these bugs, and then we can complain (or not) about the site.
There are things that are in the pipeline to be fixed (or already are fixed and waiting for a push) that will make some of these complaints, non-complaints.
Rather than allow this thread turn into a thread that I don't want to open anymore, why don't we turn it into a helpful discussion? There is some really good stuff in here. I'm not saying we have to be "rah rah" or anything, but discussing things like future Income Share, and how Epinions owes someone writing visibility, seems a bit presumptuous.
Let's step back, let the engineers do their work, and work towards being helpful in fixing what everyone seems to be so passionate about.
Also, if you don't want to write because you aren't sure which reviews are going to earn IS or not, why not write some first reviews and submit them into the sweepstakes. At least that way, no matter what, you know that simply by writing, you'll be able to help someone. |
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 11:28 pm |
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Reviews written: 406 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: *laugh*
Quote: roheblius
Also, if you don't want to write because you aren't sure which reviews are going to earn IS or not, why not write some first reviews and submit them into the sweepstakes. At least that way, no matter what, you know that simply by writing, you'll be able to help someone.
I can't think of a better reason to write reviews right now. I have written six, all firsts, since the load. That is double or triple my normal monthly output. They may never garner the outside hits or IS that I normally use to judge success, but I really don't care. Yesterday I could pretty well judge what a review I wrote would do, I can't predict right now, in this time of transition, what reviews I write in the future will do. I am less than happy with the way things are right now as are many.
But right now, today and tomorrow and the rest of the month I do know that if I find something that has no reviews on it (there are now a multitude of those thanks to the load) and that I can write about, it will help feed the hungry. I have taken the unprecedented step for me of entering these into the sweepstakes. I don't want to win the sweepstakes and would likely refuse a prize if it were offered, but I do want to think that, no matter what, the review I write will help feed someone who is hungry or, like last month where three other of mine were entered, will help cancer research. It may not be much, but it is much more than I could do by donating the few pennies of IS I might garner.
I also am very supportive of sleeper54's lean-n-mean write-off. I know that writing those brief reviews will lower the overall rating of a review in some categories, but supporting ...tom... is worth it to me. This goes for cmaw and sleeper54s Food for Food write off as well. They both support a worthwhile goal and cause for Epinions and the community.
Let's all find some things we are passionate about and write about them. Enter them into the sweepstakes and into the write-offs that are running now. By the time the sweeps are over maybe the worst of the bugs will also be a distant memory.
Larry
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| berniez40 |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 11:35 pm |
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Reviews written: 519 Member since: Mar 15 '03
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Surely You Jest...
Oh yeah--stop calling you Shirley. I'm trying to pretend that this is all just a bad nightmare, and I keep plugging along writing new reviews....even though ALL GOLF REVIEWS DO NOT SHOW UP UNDER NEW REVIEWS.
That said, I am pretending to be a happy camper for the time being, and writing reviews on a daily basis. Yes new ones because I believe in good causes--after all--that's what my IS was used for. On a positive note--the data base is huge, and if we get the GOLF EQUIPMENT FULLY VISIBLE AGAIN,,I would be a sinvcerely happy camper.
Again---I like beating the golf magazines to the punch on equipment reviews. It makes us look smart and cutting edge over here at epinions. Therefore--such time and effort has earned me the right to kvetch on this Epinions "General" message board when circumstances warrant it. Yes I want to see things fixed, and if you'll notice, unless I read lame excuses about how my hits are down because:
1) I review old products (Sorry boys--the currently invisible Ping G10/I10 line is brand spanking new)
2) We were in read only mode for a day and 1/2
(Even now that we're fully up my hits are still down 50-60%)
3)Stop whining.
(HMMM. Roughly 200 reviews no longer matter? I should just let all that work seem as if it is as irrelevant as you guys would like to pretend it is?)
or receive preachy sermons that pontificate in a most syrupy and condescending fashion such as
1)I need to examine why I even write here.
(I'd say helping further knowledge of golf equipment that represents a good buy, and helping epinions stay on the cutting edge are fairly good motives.)
2) I need to be in it for the long haul.
(REALLY???!!!!--So writing about new stuff that remains invisible doesn't show that type of commitment???!!!)
3) Just smile,relax, and move on. (This is just a plain---"I don't think so!")
as I was saying....
Unless I read that type of Happy Horse Hockey, or get some other such happy smoke blown up my nether regions--I don't come here and gripe. As I truly try to stay cutting edge, and work through this. Yes people are working hard to fix it---but let's not pretend that despite the 300+ reviews on Krispy Kreme, and other such oddities, that people writing reviews haven't been working hard either...They don't enjoy their work being taking lightly anymore than the technicians enjoy being taken for granted. In order to end this on a positive note--I am back to data diving, and hope that the bugs will all be worked out soon.
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| berniez40 |
Posted: Nov 06 '07, 11:42 pm |
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Reviews written: 519 Member since: Mar 15 '03
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Surely/Shirley
Oh yeah---golf equipment sells--like really sells--so this isn't a labor of love that garners no income for the corporate powers that be. |
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