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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jun 05 '08, 9:50 pm |
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Quote: shopaholic_man Sooo..... every one having a good night?
I went to see a horrible movie, The Strangers.
I am going to bed.
Nah, no thanks.
Quote: phungus I drank some beer and played guitar, celebrating the day before Friday. =)
Can I bring my guitar and harmonica? A case too.
pops
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 5:08 am |
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RE: what to say...
Quote: gamblin_man I do, however, think that the General Forum is a place that those of us who love the site and feel the pain of its current problems should be able to come without fear of being rebuked for stating our honest feelings and trying to let others know we, too, feel the anguish.
The point I've been trying to make.
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| antastic |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 9:14 am |
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Reviews written: 1 Member since: Nov 10 '07
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RE: Why is everyone freaking out?
Quote: dandj Technically, my reviews here do come from an ebay member since I am one. I won't post them over there, though. If I were ever going to post somewhere else, I would have done it long before now. I'm way too comfortable here to change locations.
It just seems as though they should want to make better use of this web site they acquired.
~*~Danielle~*~
Good luck getting Ebay to do what you want. I find it's easier to put on slippers than to try to carpet the whole world.
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| antastic |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 9:19 am |
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Reviews written: 1 Member since: Nov 10 '07
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RE: Why is everyone freaking out?
Quote: roheblius Please read what I wrote about eBay reviews. They don't even support the project any longer.
From what I gather, Ebay is not very supportive of this project either. However, the other project they don't support is getting top billing over this project. I don't know how you can convince Ebay to favor epinion reviews over ebay reviews.
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| rudixeno |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 10:22 am |
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Reviews written: 190 Member since: Nov 14 '05
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RE: Why is everyone freaking out?
Quote: antastic From what I gather, Ebay is not very supportive of this project either. However, the other project they don't support is getting top billing over this project. I don't know how you can convince Ebay to favor epinion reviews over ebay reviews.
Fortunate for you that your investment in this site is a single Writer's Corner essay so your personal concern over this situation can't be too great.
Rudi
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 10:25 am |
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Reviews written: 491 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: what to say...
Quote: morilla I think therein lies a big part of the issue. What we are being told is supposed to be is not what IS happening. This creates confusion and frustration. I don't think anyone actually thinks things are going to be "what they were." I think where the problem stems from is that people want things to be working the way we've been told they're supposed to be.
If things are not yet "the way we've been told they're supposed to be" I guess I assume they are still working on things.
Maybe they are, maybe they are not. I do know that my beliefs have no actual effect on the reality of what is.
Quote: morilla As for how one "chooses" to read something. I prefer that writers choose to convey what they have to say in such a way that it not be ignored, misquoted, or misunderstood.
Dang, I have enough trouble being responsible for what I say, without worrying about how every permutation of reader might interpret them. They make sense when I post them. If they are confusing we can discuss them. But sorry, still not responsible for how any one reader interprets my words.
Quote: morilla Otherwise, it becomes too easy not to take responsibility for what one said/meant if the 'politics' become uncomfortable. You know, something between 'short & sweet' and a diatribe.
I have never evaded responsibility for anything I have said. I may have argued strongly for my interpretation of what I meant; I may have had second thoughts and apologized for them; but I have never played the 'politics' card to disavow any of my words.
...tom...
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| morilla |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 3:47 pm |
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Reviews written: 196 Member since: Oct 09 '04
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RE: what to say...
Quote: sleeper54 ...I guess I assume they are still working on things.
Maybe they are, maybe they are not. I do know that my beliefs have no actual effect on the reality of what is.
...still not responsible for how any one reader interprets my words...I have never evaded responsibility for anything I have said. I may have argued strongly for my interpretation of what I meant; I may have had second thoughts and apologized for them; but I have never played the 'politics' card to disavow any of my words...
As to the first part, we all know what they say about 'assumptions.' But, we've already beat that one to death.
For the second part, such a discussion might make an interesting digression since we weren't talking about what you said and since that particular portion of the discussion has, now, also pretty much seen its course, it would seem that a discussion about what you have said or might say and the responsibilities thereof would be a topic for a different thread.
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 4:53 pm |
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RE: what to say...
Quote: morilla As to the first part, we all know what they say about 'assumptions.' But, we've already beat that one to death.
And we are right back where we started,on that side-trip and on the whole journey. Not a fruitful trip.
Quote: morilla For the second part, such a discussion might make an interesting digression since we weren't talking about what you said and since that particular portion of the discussion has, now, also pretty much seen its course, it would seem that a discussion about what you have said or might say and the responsibilities thereof would be a topic for a different thread.
Enjoy.
As for the second part, I can only speak for myself of course. And my words speak for myself only.
But to be honest, I have seen few regulars here, kool-aid drinkers or not, not stand behind their words. Maybe I should have referenced a universal Eps user.
But then, that defeats the purpose of me saying what I think.
Que sera, sera.
...tom...
P.S. Sorry your favorite category is 'hosed' right now. But then 'books', my favorite category, has been IS-hosed for a long time. It is what it is.
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 6:57 pm |
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Reviews written: 389 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: what to say...
Quote: sleeper54
...tom...
P.S. Sorry your favorite category is 'hosed' right now. But then 'books', my favorite category, has been IS-hosed for a long time. It is what it is.
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I think the concept of a contract between Epinions and their members plays a part in the debate. The TOR definitively promises fair payment for the reviews based on their value in income to Epinions. Before Black Tuesday people wrote in categories and about products they favored. You, for example, chose Books as the place where your contract with Epinions made you happy. I, as another example, wrote mostly in a category under Home and Garden called Shop Tools. In May, none of those tool reviews earned a cent of IS even though I know, factually, that some of them received hits and infer, reasonably, that most of them received hits at least equal to those recorded in March and that they do continue to generate IS for Epinions.
For May, IS paid to me for Book reviews averaged over four cents per hit and those in Electronics averaged over eleven cents a hit. Other categories not affected by Black Tuesday or the ensuing additional site problems had similar numbers. In October of last year, Books paid about a half-cent a hit and Electronics reviews about four cents a hit. Tool reviews earned a little over a penny a hit.
The fact is that the contract between Epinions and you or I has not changed since Black Tuesday, but the payment is no longer being distributed fairly. They are, and know it, in breach of their contract with me because of where I chose to write and are paying you an unfair bonus based on where you chose to write.
You can say "so be it", but Epinions is in breach of contract with its members. I do believe they will fix most of their problems shortly, but I do not believe they will retroactively cure that breach. I can understand you not being upset when you finally see some of your reviews earning IS like the more profitable categories, but I do hope you understand that those of us contributing to that increase through the decrease in our IS aren't as sanguine.
Larry
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| carstairs38 |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 10:06 pm |
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Reviews written: 1176 Member since: Oct 03 '05
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RE: what to say...
Quote: gamblin_man I can understand you not being upset when you finally see some of your reviews earning IS like the more profitable categories, but I do hope you understand that those of us contributing to that increase through the decrease in our IS aren't as sanguine.
Larry
I can't (and won't) speak for Tom, but my book reviews have been earning like Book reviews. None of my media reviews have earned any extra during this time.
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Jun 06 '08, 10:58 pm |
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RE: what to say...
Quote: gamblin_man --snip--
The fact is that the contract between Epinions and you or I has not changed since Black Tuesday, but the payment is no longer being distributed fairly. They are, and know it, in breach of their contract with me because of where I chose to write and are paying you an unfair bonus based on where you chose to write.
You can say "so be it", but Epinions is in breach of contract with its members.
--snip--
Larry
I, of course, will defer to your knowledge, working and theoretical, about how IS 'works'.
But I will state that sans TR hat my 'books' reviews earned pennies ...total ...ever. With a TR hat I may indeed be "averag(ing) over four cents per (non-member) hit" But I have no idea how that compares to pre-Black Tuesday or whatever it is called.
And to be perfectly honest, I do not remember entering into any 'contract' with Eps re: IS. Were it not so late and I not so tired maybe I would pore over the fine print to comb out those details. But as it is and I am . . ..
By the way, I recognize and feel the angst of those who feel their 'contract' has been violated. Were I in the same front-lines trench perhaps I would intimately feel that violation. But I am not and simply can not muster any enthusiasm to storm the corporate breastworks. For that lack of support I truly apologize.
...tom...
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| kristinafh |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 4:27 am |
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Reviews written: 1344 Member since: Dec 17 '99
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RE: what to say...
Quote: popsrocks What you say "rule of thumb here has been to focus" I believe is in reference to trying to earn a TR hat. No where else do I see "focus" being implied or nurtured.
pops
This has been one of my top three "challenges" with epinions all along.
1. To be eligible to earn more IS, you have to be a TR.
2. To be a TR, you have to focus in an area.
I hope one day they change this because it implies that people aren't "tops" in what they write on unless they focus in one thing (or two or three - depending on the number of hours they have in a "qualifying period"). |
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| ladyconsumer |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 4:46 am |
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RE: what to say...
Quote: carstairs38 I can't (and won't) speak for Tom, but my book reviews have been earning like Book reviews. None of my media reviews have earned any extra during this time.
Mark
Same here. My IS in books & movies has NOT increased. If IS is being shifted from dead categories into live categories, I, for one, am not seeing it.
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| ladyconsumer |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 4:47 am (Updated: Jun 07 '08, 4:48 am) |
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Reviews written: 624 Member since: Jul 11 '05
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RE: what to say...
Quote: kristinafh This has been one of my top three "challenges" with epinions all along.
1. To be eligible to earn more IS, you have to be a TR.
2. To be a TR, you have to focus in an area.
I hope one day they change this because it implies that people aren't "tops" in what they write on unless they focus in one thing (or two or three - depending on the number of hours they have in a "qualifying period").
I totally agree! I wish our great writers who enjoy covering multiple topics could be recognized as TR's too.
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| kristinafh |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 4:52 am |
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Reviews written: 1344 Member since: Dec 17 '99
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Generic Rule of Thumb
And this is addressed - well - to anyone who cares to lend me their eyes.
1) Pops and Tom and Larry and just about everyone else here (if I say everyone - than surely someone will say well "X" isn't), is awesomely cool, and neat to know (especially on a personal level). I am as guilty as anyone of snapping at them. Larry probably thinks that I look for ways to snap at him ;).
2) Epinions - since about - oh - the beginning - has always ALWAYS been challenged with how and what to communicate to its members. Some of us may say it was better during "x" period. Others of us may say it was better during "y" period. And still another group will say, it's always sucked.
3) The site is what it is. I've expressed my thoughts about this (in detail) elsewhere (aka Message to Epinions Community posting). I think everyone has to figure out for themselves - if this is ALL there is - is this enough for me? It may not be. And believe me, I know that you're sad, angry, you wanna break stuff (with a nod to Limp Bizkit), and you probably just want to shake the stuffing out of some people who are - allegedly - in charge. Cause let's face it - we don't really know WHO is in charge anymore with so much turnover that has occurred over the past six months. Tips hat to almarsezstuff because we all know he's between a rock and a hard place.
Also, being the passionate person that I am (in general), I know that when you stop griping - when you stop wanting to shake the stuffing out of some people who are allegedly - in charge - that's when you have made up your mind to emotionally break ties. And you don't care anymore. So when I see people come in here and gripe, I think - oh good, they still care....
And if enough of that happens (i.e. people stop caring), then this site will very quickly become the land of spam. I believe that with all of my heart.
Where to go from here?
Well one thing, I just really wish we wouldn't take it out on each other. And maybe we're not and maybe today, I just woke up, read this thread, and misunderstood what was going on.
As corny as this sounds (and it wouldn't be the first time I was accused of corny), if this site doesn't get any better from a technical, management, and "otherwise" perspective, I'm still grateful for the experiences I've had which involved this site (specifically the people). I hope you all feel the same way too.
Next - whomever is showing up to the Chicago Meet N Greet - I think you have an obligation, on behalf of all of us, to see what you can find out about the state of the state. If the top management from Epinions doesn't show up and spend time with those who attend - then that speaks volumes to me and unfortunately, (for me), it will move the peg one more notch over for me.
SO, that's all I have to say for a Saturday morning. I have like 20 reviews - or something like that - to get done between today and tomorrow (trying to stay on my "schedule") so - talk amongst yourself :). |
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| rudixeno |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 5:26 am |
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RE: Generic Rule of Thumb
Quote: kristinafh And this is addressed - well - to anyone who cares to lend me their eyes.
1) Pops and Tom and Larry and just about everyone else here (if I say everyone - than surely someone will say well "X" isn't), is awesomely cool, and neat to know (especially on a personal level). I am as guilty as anyone of snapping at them. Larry probably thinks that I look for ways to snap at him ;).
2) Epinions - since about - oh - the beginning - has always ALWAYS been challenged with how and what to communicate to its members. Some of us may say it was better during "x" period. Others of us may say it was better during "y" period. And still another group will say, it's always sucked.
3) The site is what it is. I've expressed my thoughts about this (in detail) elsewhere (aka Message to Epinions Community posting). I think everyone has to figure out for themselves - if this is ALL there is - is this enough for me? It may not be. And believe me, I know that you're sad, angry, you wanna break stuff (with a nod to Limp Bizkit), and you probably just want to shake the stuffing out of some people who are - allegedly - in charge. Cause let's face it - we don't really know WHO is in charge anymore with so much turnover that has occurred over the past six months. Tips hat to almarsezstuff because we all know he's between a rock and a hard place.
Also, being the passionate person that I am (in general), I know that when you stop griping - when you stop wanting to shake the stuffing out of some people who are allegedly - in charge - that's when you have made up your mind to emotionally break ties. And you don't care anymore. So when I see people come in here and gripe, I think - oh good, they still care....
And if enough of that happens (i.e. people stop caring), then this site will very quickly become the land of spam. I believe that with all of my heart.
Where to go from here?
Well one thing, I just really wish we wouldn't take it out on each other. And maybe we're not and maybe today, I just woke up, read this thread, and misunderstood what was going on.
As corny as this sounds (and it wouldn't be the first time I was accused of corny), if this site doesn't get any better from a technical, management, and "otherwise" perspective, I'm still grateful for the experiences I've had which involved this site (specifically the people). I hope you all feel the same way too.
Next - whomever is showing up to the Chicago Meet N Greet - I think you have an obligation, on behalf of all of us, to see what you can find out about the state of the state. If the top management from Epinions doesn't show up and spend time with those who attend - then that speaks volumes to me and unfortunately, (for me), it will move the peg one more notch over for me.
SO, that's all I have to say for a Saturday morning. I have like 20 reviews - or something like that - to get done between today and tomorrow (trying to stay on my "schedule") so - talk amongst yourself :).
So very well put.
Rudi
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 6:40 am |
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Comedy Trio
Quote: kristinafh And this is addressed - well - to anyone who cares to lend me their eyes.
Pops and Tom and Larry
"Pops, Tom and Larry"
Sounds like a good name for a comedy trio.
Three Stooges, move over. The real deal guys are movin' in.
pops
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 9:35 am |
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RE: Generic Rule of Thumb
Quote: kristinafh --snip--
3) The site is what it is. I've expressed my thoughts about this (in detail) elsewhere (aka Message to Epinions Community posting). I think everyone has to figure out for themselves - if this is ALL there is - is this enough for me? It may not be. And believe me, I know that you're sad, angry, you wanna break stuff (with a nod to Limp Bizkit), and you probably just want to shake the stuffing out of some people who are - allegedly - in charge. Cause let's face it - we don't really know WHO is in charge anymore with so much turnover that has occurred over the past six months. Tips hat to almarsezstuff because we all know he's between a rock and a hard place.
Also, being the passionate person that I am (in general), I know that when you stop griping - when you stop wanting to shake the stuffing out of some people who are allegedly - in charge - that's when you have made up your mind to emotionally break ties. And you don't care anymore. So when I see people come in here and gripe, I think - oh good, they still care....
And if enough of that happens (i.e. people stop caring), then this site will very quickly become the land of spam. I believe that with all of my heart.
--snip--
Next - whomever is showing up to the Chicago Meet N Greet - I think you have an obligation, on behalf of all of us, to see what you can find out about the state of the state. If the top management from Epinions doesn't show up and spend time with those who attend - then that speaks volumes to me and unfortunately, (for me), it will move the peg one more notch over for me.
--snip--
What Rudi said: very well put.
You have always represented the heart, the soul of Epinions to me Kristina. Your passion about the site has always been upfront, never hidden, and ready to critique and defend as called for.
I see nothing different here.
Thanks for the challenge re: the site and the challenge we should place on 'the top management'. Having never been to one of these 'meen-n-greets' . . .it should be an interesting experience.
...tom...
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Jun 07 '08, 9:37 am |
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RE: Comedy Trio
Quote: popsrocks "Pops, Tom and Larry"
Sounds like a good name for a comedy trio.
Three Stooges, move over. The real deal guys are movin' in.
pops
Pops . . .there aint a stage big enough to hold us..!!
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No, not talent or ego . . .I was thinking more weight, stability, spectator safety, . . . that sorta thing...
. . . ...:alwaysproudtobementionedwithLarryandpopssmiliemoment:...
...tom...
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