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| lilsquibb |
Posted: May 21 '08, 6:04 am |
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RE: ...
Quote: ssjakira1 I'm beginning to regret starting this thread. My intention of "Yeah! Let's hope for the best!" positive thought is getting crushed and the point is getting missed entirely.
It's 1:47 am here and now I'm cranky.
As usual, no offense to anyone.
I'm starting to think I may have to quit the message boards for a while.
Sorry you are cranky NT... but as one of the "patient" ones it's gotten to a point where I can't be patient much longer.
Like Jen I have been doing some research for some writing I've been doing lately and I wasn't really able to use epinions to find what I needed so I had to rely on other sites that don't give as good of information in the K&F area.
I think like Rudi said it would just be nice to know if/when this is coming to an end.
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| pvreditor |
Posted: May 21 '08, 6:08 am |
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RE: can we get an answer from Eps?
Quote: almarsezstuff I'll be as candid as I can in answering these questions with the knowledge I have now:
1) Is this is going to be a permanent problem (aka, are the currently dead categories dead forever);
I'm told no. In fact, when the catalog fixes go out, this should fix a lot of the problems. For the "dead forever" ones, I believe we're looking into ways to at least salvage the review and give you the ability to move it (better than the way it works now) if the product no longer exists.
Etc...
I just added this post from Almar to the "Status of things on Epinions" thread that's pinned to the top of the forum.
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 6:17 am (Updated: May 21 '08, 6:19 am) |
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RE: ...
Quote: ssjakira1 I'm beginning to regret starting this thread. My intention of "Yeah! Let's hope for the best!" positive thought is getting crushed and the point is getting missed entirely.
It's 1:47 am here and now I'm cranky.
As usual, no offense to anyone.
I'm starting to think I may have to quit the message boards for a while.
Hey Nicole... Your good mood and optimism is something that has _always_ set you and your posts apart from many others here on the boards. The value of that should not be discounted.
I am sure that is an important factor to your enjoyment of the site and I am just as sure that many of us take some small measure of reassurance when we read your positive thoughts ...if only that some of us can still see the good here on the site.
The value of your posts is not missed by this user, and many others I am sure.
Hang in there girl, hang out here with the rest of us, even though we might be a bit grumpier than you. We obviously need your positive spirit and buoyant presence.
OK, OK . . .no more motivational speeches today...
. . . ...:cookiesandhugsforNTsmiliemoment:...
...tom...
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| dianapinions |
Posted: May 21 '08, 8:53 am |
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RE: ...
Quote: sleeper54 Hey Nicole... Your good mood and optimism is something that has _always_ set you and your posts apart from many others here on the boards.
...tom...
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I'll second that.
Diana
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| jps246 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 9:25 am (Updated: May 21 '08, 9:26 am) |
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what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: sleeper54 ...if only that some of us can still see the good here on the site.
I doubt that I would have spent the time posting here with my concerns if I didn't still see some good left in Epinions. I think you're painting with an awfully broad brush here regarding a large number of members who are rightfully concerned about the current situation. |
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| dandj |
Posted: May 21 '08, 9:27 am |
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RE: ...
Quote: ssjakira1 I'm beginning to regret starting this thread. My intention of "Yeah! Let's hope for the best!" positive thought is getting crushed and the point is getting missed entirely.
It's 1:47 am here and now I'm cranky.
As usual, no offense to anyone.
I'm starting to think I may have to quit the message boards for a while.
Hey girl, you have absolutely nothing to feel sorry about. As one of the people who have been trying to become involved in more positive discussions lately, I was applauding your original post.
I'm with you all the way on this one. Sure, there are problems. In over 8 years of being here, I've seen several up and downs which resulted in mass member exits. People are either going to write or not, stay or leave, but no amount of negativity being thrown out ad nauseum is going to get things fixed any faster.
We can only do so much on our part, and what it comes down to is that this remains just a hobby for us. For the staff members who probably feel overloaded by all of this, it's their job. It doesn't make sense to believe that they aren't doing whatever's necessary to improve things. Especially if you're one of the number who feel confident epinions is not going anywhere any time soon.
I can understand your mulling over not coming back to the boards for a while. They have gotten quite dismal lately, and I'll pop in and out hoping for something better. I see posts like this one and am happy to know that there are others out there who feel the same.
Hang in there, NT.
~*~Danielle~*~
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 10:46 am |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: jps246 --snip--
I think you're painting with an awfully broad brush here regarding a large number of members who are rightfully concerned about the current situation.
Geezus...
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I paint with NO brush.
You can place yourself in whatever faction you care to. You can describe that faction however you care to, ascribe whatever motives to that faction you care to, hold rallies and supports in support of that faction, whatever...
My post was in support of another member, not to attack any other member or faction.
If you can not understand that . . .well...
...tom...
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| antastic |
Posted: May 21 '08, 11:01 am |
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Quote: dandj Hey girl, you have absolutely nothing to feel sorry about. As one of the people who have been trying to become involved in more positive discussions lately, I was applauding your original post.
I'm with you all the way on this one. Sure, there are problems. In over 8 years of being here, I've seen several up and downs which resulted in mass member exits. People are either going to write or not, stay or leave, but no amount of negativity being thrown out ad nauseum is going to get things fixed any faster.
We can only do so much on our part, and what it comes down to is that this remains just a hobby for us. For the staff members who probably feel overloaded by all of this, it's their job. It doesn't make sense to believe that they aren't doing whatever's necessary to improve things. Especially if you're one of the number who feel confident epinions is not going anywhere any time soon.
I can understand your mulling over not coming back to the boards for a while. They have gotten quite dismal lately, and I'll pop in and out hoping for something better. I see posts like this one and am happy to know that there are others out there who feel the same.
Hang in there, NT.
~*~Danielle~*~
I can certainly appreciate your intent to be positive. In the spirit of positive thinking, however, it seems inappropriate to "negatively" charactorize people's legit concerns. Some people simply want to know what is going on and they would like a deadline. Is this really "freaking out" on their part? There might be some who are freaking out, but to be fair, and to remain positive, it should be noted that there are reasonable people expressing legitimate concerns. They see two employees quit, and think to themselves, "Hmmmmm? I wonder if they know something I don't?" They have eyes and a brain. They can't help but make observations and see patterns. This naturally leads to a lot of questions and commentary. The most "positive" thing you can do is accept it.
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| jps246 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 11:27 am (Updated: May 21 '08, 11:37 am) |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: sleeper54 My post was in support of another member, not to attack any other member or faction.
If you can not understand that . . .well...
One should be more careful with their language then.
Either way, at least I got an answer from Epinions about the problem and the potential solutions. That's all I was asking for, so I guess something positive came out of all this supposed negativity. |
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 11:47 am |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: jps246 One should be more careful with their language then.
Then I am responsible for how my reader interprets my words..??
Sorry, I got enough to do just putting them out there. Not sure I have time to refine them to the least common denominator so the absolutely no one might be offended.
Sorry. I refuse to pick up that task. Perhaps my readers might read them without bringing their own interpretations and biases to them.
Quote: jps246 Either way, at least I got an answer from Epinions about the problem and the potential solutions. That's all I was asking for, so I guess something positive came out of all this supposed negativity.
Yes, the group of users here who are concerned about the short and long term status of Epinions did indeed get some answers.
Positive answers are always a good thing. Lets see if those positive answers are born out by positive actions . . .see, I can be as 'concerned' as the next user.
...tom...
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| jps246 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 11:58 am |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: sleeper54 Then I am responsible for how my reader interprets my words..??
Sorry, I got enough to do just putting them out there. Not sure I have time to refine them to the least common denominator so the absolutely no one might be offended.
Sorry. I refuse to pick up that task. Perhaps my readers might read them without bringing their own interpretations and biases to them.
You know Tom, I'm not going to get into this.
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| naphtalia |
Posted: May 21 '08, 11:59 am |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: sleeper54 Then I am responsible for how my reader interprets my words..??
Sorry, I got enough to do just putting them out there. Not sure I have time to refine them to the least common denominator so the absolutely no one might be offended.
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My mother used to tell me that if I lived my life the way I should, I would offend somebody. ... so with my mom's blessing....offend away!
And I'm concerned about all the issues, and feeling a bit burned out (though not freaked out) by the lack of resolution....but I'm not leaving...just slowing down.
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| dimeuhday |
Posted: May 21 '08, 12:24 pm (Updated: May 21 '08, 12:26 pm) |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
The witty and sarcastic comments from some members I have seen in this thread alone, certainly 'freak' me out. I guess when Epi messes up, we take it out on one another. I don't chime in as often as I used to, as I have my own issues with this site. I will say though, that in the past few days alone the boards seem a bit more flame filled than usual.
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| alexdg1 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 12:42 pm |
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RE: Why is everyone freaking out?
Quote: abhaille Cookies? Did you say cookies???
It was Tom's idea, actually.
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| dandj |
Posted: May 21 '08, 1:40 pm |
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RE: ...
Quote: antastic I can certainly appreciate your intent to be positive. In the spirit of positive thinking, however, it seems inappropriate to "negatively" charactorize people's legit concerns. Some people simply want to know what is going on and they would like a deadline. Is this really "freaking out" on their part? There might be some who are freaking out, but to be fair, and to remain positive, it should be noted that there are reasonable people expressing legitimate concerns. They see two employees quit, and think to themselves, "Hmmmmm? I wonder if they know something I don't?" They have eyes and a brain. They can't help but make observations and see patterns. This naturally leads to a lot of questions and commentary. The most "positive" thing you can do is accept it.
Uhm...I think you are missing my point here, and I certainly didn't negatively categorize anyone's legitimate concerns. I did not speak solely on conversations that are currently taking place, but rather on the history of ups and downs the site had undergone over the years, and what I've learned from them.
I absolutely did not counteract anyone's words specifically in the way that you just did to mine by calling me out on my supportive statement to another member. Also, if you re-read my post, you will see that I never once said that anyone was "freaking out," so I'm not even sure why you brought that up to me with your explanation of why they should be allowed to do so.
I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence..."The most 'positive' thing you can do is accept it." That would be one of the things I was trying to say. Things are going to be like a rollercoaster on occasion, and people are going to react whatever way they choose. In the end, however, accepting whatever changes "The Powers That Be" decide to make is what anyone remaining on the site is going to have to do.
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| dandj |
Posted: May 21 '08, 1:45 pm |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: dimeuhday The witty and sarcastic comments from some members I have seen in this thread alone, certainly 'freak' me out. I guess when Epi messes up, we take it out on one another. I don't chime in as often as I used to, as I have my own issues with this site. I will say though, that in the past few days alone the boards seem a bit more flame filled than usual.
You make a very good point. I know that there are members that have ceased visiting the message boards because they feel that either their replies alternate between being ignored and being picked apart.
~*~Danielle~*~
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| antastic |
Posted: May 21 '08, 4:43 pm |
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RE: ...
Quote: dandj Uhm...I think you are missing my point here, and I certainly didn't negatively categorize anyone's legitimate concerns. I did not speak solely on conversations that are currently taking place, but rather on the history of ups and downs the site had undergone over the years, and what I've learned from them.
OK, I'm missing your point which is...? Let's assume that YOU did not negatively characterize anyone's legit concerns. I don't recall saying that you did; however you do support the position of the thread starter who asks, "Why is everybody freaking out?" So one can make the inference that you agree that people are freaking out.
Quote: dandj I absolutely did not counteract anyone's words specifically in the way that you just did to mine by calling me out on my supportive statement to another member.
You might try being more specific to avoid misunderstandings. You at least know my position. That is the point of communication.
Quote: dandj
Also, if you re-read my post, you will see that I never once said that anyone was "freaking out," so I'm not even sure why you brought that up to me with your explanation of why they should be allowed to do so.
What is wrong with that sentence? "I never once said anyone was freaking out...why they should be allowed to do so." Allowed to do what? Freak out? You obviously have "freak out" in your head. My position is they are "not freaking out," not "they should be allowed to do so." But then you know that.
Quote: dandj I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence..."The most 'positive' thing you can do is accept it." That would be one of the things I was trying to say. Things are going to be like a rollercoaster on occasion, and people are going to react whatever way they choose. In the end, however, accepting whatever changes "The Powers That Be" decide to make is what anyone remaining on the site is going to have to do.
I think we are on the same page, I simply suggested that the "freaking out" characterization was a little negative.
~*~Danielle~*~
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| antastic |
Posted: May 21 '08, 4:44 pm |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: dandj You make a very good point. I know that there are members that have ceased visiting the message boards because they feel that either their replies alternate between being ignored and being picked apart.
~*~Danielle~*~
Try to stay positive, Danielle.
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| lyoness913 |
Posted: May 21 '08, 5:59 pm |
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RE: what's wrong with being concerned?
Quote: antastic Try to stay positive, Danielle.
Or..in your case, try to stay over at AC.
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| dandj |
Posted: May 21 '08, 6:07 pm |
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Quote: antastic OK, I'm missing your point which is...?
Which was not to get into a debate with someone who, for whatever reason, wishes to pick apart my words. My point was one made to the thread starter in support of her wishing that things around here could return to a more positive atmosphere.
Quote: antastic Let's assume that YOU did not negatively characterize anyone's legit concerns. I don't recall saying that you did;
Speaking of inferences, one can be made from the following statement... I can certainly appreciate your intent to be positive. In the spirit of positive thinking, however, it seems inappropriate to "negatively" charactorize people's legit concerns. ...that you were basically saying I was doing the categorizing. If that was not your meaning, perhaps you should have been more specific.
Quote: antastic however you do support the position of the thread starter who asks, "Why is everybody freaking out?" So one can make the inference that you agree that people are freaking out.
Or one can simply take my words as they were meant. I support the feelings behind NT's original post. Conversations lately tend to take swift turns toward negativity, and that's a sad thing.
Quote: antastic You might try being more specific to avoid misunderstandings. You at least know my position. That is the point of communication.
Being specific is a bit difficult when one is not speaking about anyone or anything specifically. Wouldn't specificity, in that case, defeat the purpose?
And, no, I don't know your position. This is beginning to feel like a game of some sort in an effort to try my patience. And I say that in the most positive way possible.
Quote: antastic What is wrong with that sentence? "I never once said anyone was freaking out...why they should be allowed to do so." Allowed to do what? Freak out? You obviously have "freak out" in your head. My position is they are "not freaking out," not "they should be allowed to do so." But then you know that.
Perhaps you should read through the past posts again. I am not the one that keeps repeating those words over and over; hence, it is not I who has it in head.
Quote: antastic I think we are on the same page, I simply suggested that the "freaking out" characterization was a little negative.
And you are entitled to your opinion on that. Once again, however, I am not the one who used those words except for when I responded to your use of them in your first direct comment to me.
~*~Danielle~*~
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