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ifif1938 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  9:18 am           
Reviews written: 799
Member since: Jan 17 '00
Post: 200614
RE: What information we need

Quote: scmrak
Barb, I just looked at the html source for your page-o'-links, and every one of them is already formatted correctly. So if you don't mess up adding a new link, there shouldn't be any problem at all.

Here are the instructions:

1) Type your sentence with the name of the review. Put a period after it: My own review about a mustard fit for a king Moutarde De Meaux Pommery.
2) highlight the words Moutarde De Meaux Pommery with your mouse. Do NOT highlight the period (double-click on the first word and then drag the mouse over the second and third - it'll stop before the period).
3) after you have highlighted the word(s) you wnat to show as a link, click the little chain button. A little new window will pop up (If you do not see a popup window, you cannot go any futher until you set your popup blocker to allow popups from epinions.com)
4) paste the URL - http://www.epinions.com/review/Moutarde_De_Meaux_Pommery/content_437702659716 - in the box on the popup. You do not need to put HTML tags or anything else in the box, just the URL. Then click the "insert" button
5) voila

The important thing is to make certain that you don't include the period in the tag. That way, you will not run into the probblem of having a line break inside the link tags. Now as for italicizing the titles... try italicizing first and then adding the link without "unhighlighting" the text in between steps.

As long as you don't change anything in the list of existing reviews, you ought to have no problems adding new ones. I'd add any new ones at the end of the list, if I were you.

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rex


Rex, after reading your review I tried again and did exactly what you wrote. at first it didn't come out right then I went back and highlighted the new link but from the end of the link being careful that there was no space at the beginning or end and it worked!!! my old links weren't messed up like they were a few days ago before I did some editing when I had the old form for a few hours.

The only thing is that it is the whole link, showing the www. blah blah blah and not the short neat link...But thats just fine, I was so happy to be able to open and close that page without it going crazy.

Thanks so much for your help and to Tom and all who have taken the time to try to guide me in the right direction.

Barbara
   
yoelc Posted: Sep 04 '08,  10:46 am           
Reviews written: 11
Member since: Nov 14 '06
Post: 200626
RE: Pandora's box

Quote: phungus
I guess I will chime in on here...

I write my reviews in Word 2007, then I cut and paste them into Notepad. THEN I highlight them all again (from Notepad) and cut and paste into the WTF editor.

I do this to get rid all all the dumb extra formatting that Word tacks onto documents. Going from Word to Notepad and then from Notepad to the web should make it nothing but text.

However, it puts these extra spaces in between my paragraphs. I have to go back through every paragraph to get rid of all the extra white space, otherwise it looks like something ...Tom...wrote!


Phungus,
We can't reproduce this issue. Can you send me the original MS Word file you used to create your review.
Thanks,
Yoel
Epinions Product Manager
   
scmrak Posted: Sep 04 '08,  11:59 am           
Reviews written: 1365
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 200638
RE: What information we need

Quote: ifif1938
The only thing is that it is the whole link, showing the www. blah blah blah and not the short neat link...
Actually, you don't have to paste in the entire URL if you are linking to anywhere in the epinions domain. You can leave off everything that your page-o'links and the new URL have in common (though only at the left end). Say, your page-o'links is

http://www.epinions.com/Joes_Crab_Shack/reviews/content_1234567890 -- and your target review is
http://www.epinions.com/McDonalds/reviews/content_123456213

You don't have to put in that part of the URL that is common to both. Leave out the http://www.epinions.com (you'll have to include the /, though). In reality, if you put the whole URL in the html parser takes out the common part for you anyway, so it's no big deal.

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rex
   
befus Posted: Sep 04 '08,  12:03 pm           
Reviews written: 758
Member since: May 21 '03
Post: 200639
RE: What information we need

Quote: scmrak
That being said, I agree that someone, somewhere should have provided a brief introduction to how to use the GUI interface beyond what's on the member center. So I did.


And I appreciate that and all the help you've provided on this thread too.

I guess I should have been more specific. It's a learning curve for me. I never did HTML tags before writing for Epinions, so everything I've learned about them, I've learned here. I blog at blogger, which accepts tags just the way I've gotten used to writing them here. The bigger learning curve for me is not learning to do them this way (which I understand must be the standard way to do them) but the simple fact that I invested a lot of time in energy in learning to do them another way. I guess my mental agility isn't what it used to be before I hit 40. :-) So I'm just going to have to be patient with myself while I get into new HTML habits.

Of course, just wait...I'll finally get used to this, and the old editor will come back. Hee hee.
   
carstairs38 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  12:09 pm           
Reviews written: 1205
Member since: Oct 03 '05
Post: 200641
RE: What information we need

Quote: befus
Of course, just wait...I'll finally get used to this, and the old editor will come back. Hee hee.



Somewhere deep inside Epinions they are now changing their plans because you figured them out.

BeingSillyMark
   
dragonfire88 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  12:36 pm           
Reviews written: 1183
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 200650
RE: What information we need

Quote: scmrak
I'm sorry, Marie, but "the new way of doing links" is the way almost every GUI interface on the planet "does links." You highlight the text, click the link button, and a box pops up that lets you paste or type in the URL. What is so unlikeable about that? It's sure a heckuva lot easier than having to type in nnn for every link, isn't it?

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rex


I've done links other places that were a little different.
It isn't so much that it is hard, but it takes me longer to do them now. Especially with the way I have my link information saved. I have to delete some of the code.
   
ifif1938 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  1:27 pm           
Reviews written: 799
Member since: Jan 17 '00
Post: 200656
RE: What information we need

Quote: scmrak
Actually, you don't have to paste in the entire URL if you are linking to anywhere in the epinions domain. You can leave off everything that your page-o'links and the new URL have in common (though only at the left end). Say, your page-o'links is

http://www.epinions.com/Joes_Crab_Shack/reviews/content_1234567890 -- and your target review is
http://www.epinions.com/McDonalds/reviews/content_123456213

You don't have to put in that part of the URL that is common to both. Leave out the http://www.epinions.com (you'll have to include the /, though). In reality, if you put the whole URL in the html parser takes out the common part for you anyway, so it's no big deal.

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rex



this is what is left after I took out the other stuff

/content_443509345924 and its still a link, it didn't come up as the movie name, Chariots of fire, they way the old links did, so I just added the name at the end of the 4...

I'm just glad I can edit that review with messing it up so I can add reviews when they are written...:)
   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  3:00 pm (Updated: Sep 04 '08,  3:01 pm)           
Reviews written: 496
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 200662
RE: What information we need

Quote: ifif1938
this is what is left after I took out the other stuff

/content_443509345924 and its still a link, it didn't come up as the movie name, Chariots of fire, they way the old links did, so I just added the name at the end of the 4...

I'm just glad I can edit that review with messing it up so I can add reviews when they are written...:)


If you view source you can see the actual code:

<a href="/review/mvie_mu-1003886/content_443509345924">/content_443509345924</a> Chariots of Fire<br>


Barbara...

All you need to do to 'tidy it up' is substitute the 'Chariots of Fire' text (which is outside the link tag) for the /content... info.


I would say it should be easy . . .but you are continually disproving that notion. ...:minism:...



...tom...
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dragonfire88 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  6:08 pm           
Reviews written: 1183
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 200678
RE: What information we need

Quote: scmrak


There's your problem, Marie:

• You don't need to paste HTML code anywhere in the WYSIWYG editor
• All that goes in blank on the "create-a-link" popup box is the URL.
• The editor puts all HTML tags in for you.

Not having to put in the HTML code is the whole point of the new editor.

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rex



I know that now. But I didn't the first time I tried to post a review with the new editor and there weren't adequate instructions for how to do it. I ended up with a headache. And I was only trying to add in 3 or 4 links to the other books by the same author that I have written about.

I haven't been having trouble doing the links now. It just takes me longer since I had a list of urls with the coding for the links already done that I would use to copy and paste in the link when I needed it. I have not had time to go through my list and change it to just urls without the coding yet. Most of the time I just use a few links in a review..some I use none. But I do have some where I use more. Like the series of books that has more than 25 books in it. I have written about all the books, so I add links to them.

   
dragonfire88 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  6:31 pm           
Reviews written: 1183
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 200680
RE: What information we need

Quote: scmrak
Beth, I don't know that there really is a learning curve. The procedure for creating links is a graphic user interface (GUI) standard, right down to the little chain icon. Gmail, hotmail, and yahoo mail have all used it for years. MS Word uses a version of it. The sites where most of us blog use it (I'm on Wordpress - it's there). Wikipedia's edit function uses it (although with a different icon). The competition - v1eWπ10nts•c0m - uses exactly the same procedure, right down to the icon. I'm flabbergasted that more people aren't already familiar with the procedure from having experienced it in any of a dozen other common settings.

That being said, I agree that someone, somewhere should have provided a brief introduction to how to use the GUI interface beyond what's on the member center. So I did.

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rex


I just wanted to add that I don't post in a lot of other places and honestly had not used this method of creating links anywhere before. Epinions is the only place where I post reviews. I don't use Word and I have never seen anything in WordPerfect to do that - though the version I use is 5 or 6 years old. The few times I have needed to send a url to someone, I just typed up the address or pasted it right in the body of the email. I post things one place that has a similar method for doing it, but there are some differences. I screwed up links there at first too, but since I was able to find instructions that helped, I had it all figured out in about 5 minutes. Not everyone has been using something like this to create links and it isn't fair to assume that we have.

I am just explaining why this editor was so new to me, especially for the links. It does take me longer, especially since I have to also go back through to add in my bold and italics. I tried doing that in WordPerect like Mona and a few others mentioned they could do in Word and then paste into the Word window, but that didn't work.
   
dragonfire88 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  6:35 pm           
Reviews written: 1183
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 200681
RE: What information we need

Quote: befus
And I appreciate that and all the help you've provided on this thread too.

I guess I should have been more specific. It's a learning curve for me. I never did HTML tags before writing for Epinions, so everything I've learned about them, I've learned here. I blog at blogger, which accepts tags just the way I've gotten used to writing them here. The bigger learning curve for me is not learning to do them this way (which I understand must be the standard way to do them) but the simple fact that I invested a lot of time in energy in learning to do them another way. I guess my mental agility isn't what it used to be before I hit 40. :-) So I'm just going to have to be patient with myself while I get into new HTML habits.

Of course, just wait...I'll finally get used to this, and the old editor will come back. Hee hee.


I understand exactly what you mean. I never did html before writing here either. It probably took me a month - maybe even longer - before I figured out how to do bold and italics. Once I started doing links, I had some issues with missing a bracket or whatever at times, but I figured it out. Then I started my list where I put my urls and immediately add the coding, making a handy list of links all ready to go if I needed for future reviews. All I had to do was copy the link and then paste it into my review.
   
divad23 Posted: Sep 04 '08,  11:52 pm           
Reviews written: 570
Member since: Aug 21 '00
Post: 200704
Does anyone test these things beforehand?

This is absolutely freaking unbelievable. It doesn't allow a line break within a bold or italics tag under ANY circumstances. And there's no way to revert back to the old editor in case someone encounters problems with the new one. Does anyone bother testing this sort of thing before unleashing it on the site at large, or does Epinions simply take delight in making it as difficult as possible for us to post reviews?

Yes, I know enough HTML to get in and circumvent the problem... but I use a lot of formatting in my reviews and this just bites me in the butt for doing it. It seems to me that if you create a WYSIWYG editor that creates HTML for you, then HTML it creates should actually be valid according to its own internal rules.

What a clusterfrak this site has turned out to be in recent years.

   
dragonfire88 Posted: Sep 05 '08,  12:09 am (Updated: Sep 05 '08,  12:10 am)           
Reviews written: 1183
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 200705
RE: What information we need

Quote: sleeper54
If you view source you can see the actual code:

/content_443509345924 Chariots of Fire



Barbara...

All you need to do to 'tidy it up' is substitute the 'Chariots of Fire' text (which is outside the link tag) for the /content... info.


I would say it should be easy . . .but you are continually disproving that notion. ...:minism:...



...tom...
.


I have a couple of quick questions just to clarify for myself in case I run into this problem at some point.
Did you mean the /content after the >? The second time /content is in that link? And should < /a> (I had to add the extra space to get that to show up) follow after Chariots of Fire?
   
shopaholic_man Posted: Sep 05 '08,  5:31 am           
Reviews written: 1052
Member since: Feb 15 '04
moderator in Movies
Post: 200722
RE: What information we need

I am slowly learning to relearn how to post

I figured out how to bold without multiple errors and this morning my doctors let me try a link. At first I messed it up and ended up with a mess, but after another group therapy session and my medication, I was able to insert a link by opening up the HTML screen and inserting it there.

Well I have to go, the nurse says that some of who have been showing progress are taking a trip to the petting zoo!

shopaholic - who notes that it is much easier to type with the straight jacket OFF, and also wonders why the old rules still apply on the message board

   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 05 '08,  6:06 am           
Reviews written: 496
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 200726
RE: What information we need

Quote: dragonfire88
I have a couple of quick questions just to clarify for myself in case I run into this problem at some point.
Did you mean the /content after the >? The second time /content is in that link? And should < /a> (I had to add the extra space to get that to show up) follow after Chariots of Fire?

To summarize...


Current HTML code content:

<a href="/review/mvie_mu-1003886/content_443509345924">/content_443509345924</a> Chariots of Fire<br>



Link tags bolded:

<a href="/review/mvie_mu-1003886/content_443509345924">/content_443509345924</a> Chariots of Fire<br>



'Incorrect' link title bolded:

<a href="/review/mvie_mu-1003886/content_443509345924">/content_443509345924</a> Chariots of Fire<br>



Correct title bolded:

<a href="/review/mvie_mu-1003886/content_443509345924">/content_443509345924</a> Chariots of Fire<br>



Complete 'fixed' link with HTML code:

<a href="/review/mvie_mu-1003886/content_443509345924">Chariots of Fire</a><br>



I think I got it all correct...



...tom...
.
   
scmrak Posted: Sep 05 '08,  6:07 am (Updated: Sep 05 '08,  6:08 am)           
Reviews written: 1365
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 200727
RE: Does anyone test these things beforehand?

Quote: divad23
What a clusterfrak this site has turned out to be in recent years.
Well, David, all I've ever seen from you over the years besides reviews is vociferous complaints whenever something wasn't exactly the way you wanted it to be. Some of us are here trying to help people and making suggestions for how things could be improved.

As the old saying goes, "If you ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

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rex
   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 05 '08,  6:08 am           
Reviews written: 496
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 200728
RE: Does anyone test these things beforehand?

Quote: divad23
--snip--

What a clusterfrak this site has turned out to be in recent years.

Wait a minute, the 'happy' thread was somewhere else.

Let me see if I can find it for you...


. . . ...:justteasingsmiliemoment:...



...tom...
.
   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 05 '08,  6:12 am           
Reviews written: 496
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 200729
RE: What information we need

Quote: shopaholic_man
--snip--

shopaholic - who notes that it is much easier to type with the straight jacket OFF, and also wonders why the old rules still apply on the message board

Mark, know we are all here for you.

Getting your 'electronic crayons' back so you can play with us is just one of the first few baby steps on 'the road back.'


Now, if you would just stop eating your 'real-world' crayons . . ..



...tom...
.
   
scmrak Posted: Sep 05 '08,  6:14 am (Updated: Sep 05 '08,  6:15 am)           
Reviews written: 1365
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 200731
RE: What information we need

Quote: dragonfire88
It just takes me longer since I had a list of urls with the coding for the links already done that I would use to copy and paste in the link when I needed it.
Open your list with your word processor and save it as an html file. That should turn all of your coded links into "live" links (underlined and in a contrasting color, like this). Then, whenever you want to add one of the links simply copy the live link from your page-o'-links and paste it into the editor window. You need do nothing further with it, since it's already a link. When you want to add to the list, you can right-click on the filename and choose "open with" to open it in a word-processor instead of a browser.

...tom... has been pointing this cut-n-paste technique out for a while, but it keeps getting overlooked...

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rex


   
ladyconsumer Posted: Sep 05 '08,  6:58 am           
Reviews written: 634
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 200737
RE: Does anyone test these things beforehand?

Quote: divad23
This is absolutely freaking unbelievable. It doesn't allow a line break within a bold or italics tag under ANY circumstances.



Sure it does - you just have to bold/italicize each line individually so that you don't "trap" the end-of-line marker in between the format tags.

I agree this is a pain. But it's temporary. Because they will fix it. So, if temporarily we have to go through a few extra steps, so be it. Hardly worth getting all upset about. Right?
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