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popsrocks Posted: Sep 10 '08,  8:15 am           
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moderator in Gourmet, Restaurants
Post: 201278
RE: Neat feature!

Quote: scmrak
You were chicken to tell us before, right?


If I hear another peep out of you...
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Sep 10 '08,  8:19 am           
Reviews written: 651
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 201281
RE: Dysfunctional Joke

Quote: scmrak
But let me tell you what I did:

...


rex



I did the same exact thing. I looked at it as a new toy to play with. I played and played and played until I was perfectly comfortable with it, learning along the way, all of its strengths and weaknesses. And seeing if I could come up with some work-arounds for the weaknesses.

Ed: I feel your pain - there are definite "issues" with the new toy. But if you read through this thread you'll find tons of help about how to use it. Or, feel free to email me, and I'll be happy to help you out.


   
popsrocks Posted: Sep 10 '08,  8:46 am           
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moderator in Gourmet, Restaurants
Post: 201286
RE: Dysfunctional Joke

Quote: ladyconsumer
I did the same exact thing. I looked at it as a new toy to play with. I played and played and played until I was perfectly comfortable with it


I've been doing the same but, I'm far from perfectly comfortable. I do a lot of previewing and that's where I get in trouble with extra spacing and more when I use the b and i features.

The easiest way to avoid that, for me at least, is to write the full review devoid of html. Once I'm ready to submit, I add the Bold and Italians. One cluck later I'm in.

pops
   
ifif1938 Posted: Sep 10 '08,  9:18 am           
Reviews written: 799
Member since: Jan 17 '00
Post: 201288
RE: Dysfunctional Joke

Quote: popsrocks
I've been doing the same but, I'm far from perfectly comfortable. I do a lot of previewing and that's where I get in trouble with extra spacing and more when I use the b and i features.

The easiest way to avoid that, for me at least, is to write the full review devoid of html. Once I'm ready to submit, I add the Bold and Italians. One cluck later I'm in.

pops



That's what I've been doing I actually like the fact that I don't have to type in all the htmls in my review when I'm in word and just use that new tool for bolding and Italics.
   
yoelc Posted: Sep 10 '08,  9:53 am (Updated: Sep 10 '08,  10:02 am)           
Reviews written: 11
Member since: Nov 14 '06
Post: 201290
RE: Fixes (+ more) coming

All,
We thank you for your feedback and for supporting your community. I really feel a true sense of community on the boards in relation to this issue.

Fixes are coming. We've fixed most of the "HTML" problems related to pasting from MS Word. We've got a fix for the "closing tag" issue. For those yearning for the days of old we've also implemented a new feature. You will have the option to turn off the editor. All of this will come out in the next big release. Spellchecker on by default is not an option today but could be in the future if someone else builds that functionality, i.e. it's open source.

There will be additional bug fixes, not related to the editor, in this release. We'll publish a release announcement with a new feature/bug list.

Thanks,
Yoel
*edited to add my title*
Epinions Product Manager

   
dianapinions Posted: Sep 10 '08,  3:51 pm           
Reviews written: 137
Member since: Jun 26 '05
Post: 201314
RE: Dysfunctional Joke

Quote: popsrocks
The easiest way to avoid that, for me at least, is to write the full review devoid of html. Once I'm ready to submit, I add the Bold and Italians.
pops


And when do you add the Greeks and the French?

Diana
   
scmrak Posted: Sep 10 '08,  6:55 pm (Updated: Sep 10 '08,  6:57 pm)           
Reviews written: 1372
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 201340
RE: Dat medical Joke

Quote: dianapinions
And when do you add the Greeks and the French?
The chickens bring them...

...peepinglikeamarshmalloweastercandysmilemoment...

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rex (who asks, "So, are the French the only nationality whose name is also a unit of measurement?")
   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 10 '08,  11:00 pm           
Reviews written: 496
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 201360
RE: Dat medical Joke

Quote: scmrak
The chickens bring them...

...peepinglikeamarshmalloweastercandysmilemoment...

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rex (who asks, "So, are the French the only nationality whose name is also a unit of measurement?")

So tell me, do friends enjoy playing trivia games with you..?? Do you enjoy playing trivia games..??



...tom...

P.S. Nice ...:sm:...
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dianapinions Posted: Sep 11 '08,  4:56 am           
Reviews written: 137
Member since: Jun 26 '05
Post: 201363
RE: Dat medical Joke

Quote: scmrak

rex (who asks, "So, are the French the only nationality whose name is also a unit of measurement?")


I don't know about any other units of measurements, but Texas (where everything is bigger!) has claimed a dubious "honor":


http://health.yahoo.com/urinary-treatment/catheters-for-urinary-incontinence-in-men/healthwise--zp1652.html

(See 3rd paragraph)

Diana,
who has to get to work and doesn't have time to make a link right now
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Sep 11 '08,  6:11 am           
Reviews written: 651
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 201366
RE: Dat medical Joke

As opposed to my sister, I have plenty of time to make links. Here you go: Link


   
scmrak Posted: Sep 11 '08,  10:06 am           
Reviews written: 1372
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 201383
RE: Dat medical Joke

Yeah, I was aware of it. It's the catheter for squeamish men, ergo the appellation "Texas."

Ike's gonna get me for that, I can just tell...

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rex

   
ifif1938 Posted: Sep 11 '08,  1:48 pm           
Reviews written: 799
Member since: Jan 17 '00
Post: 201416
RE: Dat medical Joke

Quote: scmrak
Yeah, I was aware of it. It's the catheter for squeamish men, ergo the appellation "Texas."

Ike's gonna get me for that, I can just tell...

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rex



are you in Texas?....oy vey, you stay safe ya hear....
   
scmrak Posted: Sep 11 '08,  3:14 pm           
Reviews written: 1372
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 201424
RE: Dat medical Joke

Quote: ifif1938
are you in Texas?....oy vey, you stay safe ya hear....
Houston, cher... the west side.
   
desslok Posted: Sep 11 '08,  11:24 pm           
Reviews written: 555
Member since: Dec 28 '01
Post: 201463
RE: Fixes (+ more) coming

Quote: yoelc
For those yearning for the days of old we've also implemented a new feature. You will have the option to turn off the editor.


Hallelujah!
   
susiewho Posted: Sep 16 '08,  10:03 am           
Reviews written: 971
Member since: Jan 03 '00
Post: 201868
New System aaaargh

What is the upside of this ne system? I find it really horrible.

   
susiewho Posted: Sep 16 '08,  10:27 am           
Reviews written: 971
Member since: Jan 03 '00
Post: 201869
RE: New WYSIWYG Text Editor Help Thread

I can't help wonder why they go and do this to us when there are so many other things needing fixing on the site, why mess with something that worked well and didn't need fixing.


Thats a quote from 1f1f1938 I SO AGREE

   
susiewho Posted: Sep 16 '08,  11:11 am           
Reviews written: 971
Member since: Jan 03 '00
Post: 201872
Spacing

Posted today's review nandall the spaces were gone. Updated and it startd showing me the sideways "v"s with a b something in them indicating there were errors. Went back. Deleted the whole thing. Started from the article again, clicked on update..changed the spacing back to normal and reposted and this time no problem. Have no idea what went right and what went wrong but it's all annoying. So much easier before.

   
scmrak Posted: Sep 16 '08,  11:18 am (Updated: Sep 16 '08,  11:23 am)           
Reviews written: 1372
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 201874
RE: New WYSIWYG Text Editor Help Thread

Quote: susiewho
What is the upside of this ne system? I find it really horrible.
Well, as has been explained elsewhere - I think post number 127 of 270 or so ( ...chuckle... ) the membership have been begging for a WYSIWYG editor for years (I'll leave it to someone else to dredge up a list of threads where it's been requested). So since they had a qualified intern for the summer, they assigned him this relatively simple task. If the site were sudoku, this task would be a one-star and the things you allude to (search; catalog) would be five stars. So they put the guy to work on it. He did it; it had a few bugs - most of which are embedded in the OpenSource engine that was used so that EPs wouldn't have to pay for off-the-shelf software - and the staff have been swatting bugs at an impressive rate.

The product works. Hundreds upon hundreds of people have posted reviews without having screaming fits. Dozens of well-intentioned members have posted hints, drawn diagrams, created cookbook documents complete with screen shots, warned of known bugs, offered help to others who are still having difficulty. I find that pretty impressive, too.

So: just what problem do you have, and how can the people assembled here help you ger past it?

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rex
   
divad23 Posted: Sep 17 '08,  12:02 pm           
Reviews written: 571
Member since: Aug 21 '00
Post: 202085
RE: New WYSIWYG Text Editor Help Thread

Quote: susiewho
I can't help wonder why they go and do this to us when there are so many other things needing fixing on the site, why mess with something that worked well and didn't need fixing.


Thats a quote from 1f1f1938 I SO AGREE


As do I! Even knowing the bugs in this system and how to work around them, it still takes me forever and a day to go back and edit an old review. Why? Because I've been posting reviews for years and years that had several lines of italicized text with line breaks between them. Gee, if I'd have known EIGHT YEARS AGO that this was gonna become a problem, I'd have settled on a different format.

Quote: scmrak
Practice - and practice on junk in which you have no investment time-wise. Y'all are tearing your hair out because you're so worried that your review won't look perfect - if you don't care whether the output looks perfect, then you'll feel a heckuva lot freer to experiment.


This is a rather poor excuse for us to just accept the way the system is now. Look, I don't mean to be anal retentive about the formatting of my reviews. I can be flexible. That doesn't change the fact that I have tons of old reviews in the system that are now a major pain in the bum to update, because I either have to coax the HTML into submission, or rip out all of the formatting and start over. Either way, that takes a hell of a lot more time than I want to have to spend just to update an old review and link it to a newer one. That used to take about 10 seconds - now it takes a good 10 minutes.

In any event, posting a review and finding out that is displays in a messed-up format would be an improvement at this point. Right now it takes a herculean amount of effort just to be able to post the damn thing at all.

Here's a helpful suggestion - "You have an opening <i> without a closing </i>." That's nice. Why don't you tell me where I've committed this grave offense, and then it might actually be an easy thing to fix?

You should never tell somebody they have a bug in their code without telling them where it is. Rule of Programming Number... uh... something with only 1 digit.
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Sep 17 '08,  12:41 pm           
Reviews written: 651
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 202090
RE: New WYSIWYG Text Editor Help Thread

Quote: divad23

You should never tell somebody they have a bug in their code without telling them where it is. Rule of Programming Number... uh... something with only 1 digit.


That's an excellent suggestion, one I completely agree with. Since the debugger "knows" there's a mis-matched code, it can certainly tell us where it is.

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