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| Stephen_Murray |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 5:31 pm |
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Reviews written: 2348 Member since: Jun 21 '00
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Pandora's box
Although I am sailing along with links (etc.), I am very reluctant to open any of my first 2010 or so reviews, especially if they have many links (as many do).
I think I will put my (stalled) black-and-white movie writeoff on a new page, and would suggest doing the same for the "French finds" (maybe French and Italian this time?) rather than open the existing page (which was a pretty weird one as a homepage anyway, Mme. Barbara!).
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| dragonfire88 |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 7:33 pm |
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Reviews written: 1183 Member since: Jul 20 '01
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RE: What information we need
Quote: befus
Of course, part of the problem right now is that it feels weirdly counter-intuitive, having spent the past five plus years learning how to plug html tags in manually. I suppose in the long run this will be faster, but right now it's actually taking me longer, not only to figure it out, but because of the way I've been storing info. in preparation for creating later links. Also having to cut and paste each link separately, when you have a list of links, is slower. But hey, it's done!
That is part of my issue too with it taking me longer to get the links to work. I have the information saved ready to go to just copy in the link and go. Now I can't do that.
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| ifif1938 |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 8:35 pm (Updated: Sep 03 '08, 8:37 pm) |
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Reviews written: 799 Member since: Jan 17 '00
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RE: Pandora's box
Quote: Stephen_Murray Although I am sailing along with links (etc.), I am very reluctant to open any of my first 2010 or so reviews, especially if they have many links (as many do).
I think I will put my (stalled) black-and-white movie writeoff on a new page, and would suggest doing the same for the "French finds" (maybe French and Italian this time?) rather than open the existing page (which was a pretty weird one as a homepage anyway, Mme. Barbara!).
You mean start a new one writeoff page just link to the old one and the reviews that will be submitted? I was able to add links to the new reviews I wrote since the new editor came to be...Italian would be interesting...:)...I really had been thinking of this as the end...hmmm, a new beginning...interesting thought....I will have to mull this over.
thanks
monsieur
BTW, I watched a good Black and white movie last night for your writeoff...;)
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| phungus |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 8:40 pm |
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Reviews written: 2307 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: Pandora's box
I guess I will chime in on here...
I write my reviews in Word 2007, then I cut and paste them into Notepad. THEN I highlight them all again (from Notepad) and cut and paste into the WTF editor.
I do this to get rid all all the dumb extra formatting that Word tacks onto documents. Going from Word to Notepad and then from Notepad to the web should make it nothing but text.
However, it puts these extra spaces in between my paragraphs. I have to go back through every paragraph to get rid of all the extra white space, otherwise it looks like something ...Tom...wrote!
I don't even bother with links...I just don't want the headache. |
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 8:49 pm (Updated: Sep 03 '08, 8:50 pm) |
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Reviews written: 496 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: What information we need
Quote: dragonfire88 That is part of my issue too with it taking me longer to get the links to work. I have the information saved ready to go to just copy in the link and go. Now I can't do that.
..??
Actually if you have (or find) the text 'hot-linked' somewhere and plug it into your review there is no need to even use the 'link button' at the writing box.
For instance, your user-name link above your user-pic here on the board, highlight it, [Ctrl-C] or right click to copy, open a review edit box, paste it in, there ya go...
Not sure how it could be any easier than that.
You could have your review or whatever drafted in a Word document, links already there ( [Ctrl-K], under the Insert drop-down menu). Copying everything to the Eps review writing box and it is ready to go. (Once all the other variables are 'fixed')
All this 'new stuff' is not 'harder' or 'worse' . . .it is different. If a user treats it with disdain and does not play around with it to get comfortable with it . . .well, it aint never gonna be comfortable for them.
Imagine getting a new bike for your birthday and being too afraid to get on it and ride. Not much of a present, is it..?? There ya go.
...tom...
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| phungus |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 8:52 pm |
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Reviews written: 2307 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: What information we need
Quote: sleeper54 ..??
Imagine getting a new bike for your birthday and being too afraid to get on it and ride. Not much of a present, is it..?? There ya go.
...tom...
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What if you'd been asking your parents for other stuff for YEARS and they got you a bike, even though you already HAD a bike that still worked pretty well? |
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 9:01 pm |
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Reviews written: 496 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: What information we need
Quote: phungus What if you'd been asking your parents for other stuff for YEARS and they got you a bike, even though you already HAD a bike that still worked pretty well?
...sigh...
We could all still be riding Schwinn bikes with banana seats and streamers in the handgrips, playing cards clothes-pinned into the wheels/spokes. Gawd that would be awesome, ehh..??
Barbara, just checked with a dummy review:
Went to your user-page, highlighted the titled link to your last review, copied it, opened a dummy review, pasted it in, there ya go: an active link with only one copy-n-paste step.
No copying the title, then copying the link, then highlighting the correct text on your draft review; no clicking the special link button; no typing HTML code; no remembering HTML code.
But no, lets keep pining for the fjords and the old days. Who the h3ll needs a new bike.
...tom...
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| dragonfire88 |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 10:00 pm |
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Reviews written: 1183 Member since: Jul 20 '01
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RE: What information we need
Quote: sleeper54 ..??
Actually if you have (or find) the text 'hot-linked' somewhere and plug it into your review there is no need to even use the 'link button' at the writing box.
For instance, your user-name link above your user-pic here on the board, highlight it, [Ctrl-C] or right click to copy, open a review edit box, paste it in, there ya go...
Not sure how it could be any easier than that.
You could have your review or whatever drafted in a Word document, links already there ( [Ctrl-K], under the Insert drop-down menu). Copying everything to the Eps review writing box and it is ready to go. (Once all the other variables are 'fixed')
All this 'new stuff' is not 'harder' or 'worse' . . .it is different. If a user treats it with disdain and does not play around with it to get comfortable with it . . .well, it aint never gonna be comfortable for them.
Imagine getting a new bike for your birthday and being too afraid to get on it and ride. Not much of a present, is it..?? There ya go.
...tom...
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I tried copying the links in - with the code - in the box and it didn't do the links right. I then had to go into the html editor thingy and fix them.
I have been using it..I've posted like 5 reviews since it was sprung on us. But the fact is it take me longer now.
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| dragonfire88 |
Posted: Sep 03 '08, 10:10 pm |
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Reviews written: 1183 Member since: Jul 20 '01
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RE: What information we need
Quote: sleeper54
Went to your user-page, highlighted the titled link to your last review, copied it, opened a dummy review, pasted it in, there ya go: an active link with only one copy-n-paste step.
No copying the title, then copying the link, then highlighting the correct text on your draft review; no clicking the special link button; no typing HTML code; no remembering HTML code.
But no, lets keep pining for the fjords and the old days. Who the h3ll needs a new bike.
...tom...
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I'm not trying to be difficult. But I don't like the new way of doing links.
The way you mentioned wouldn't be so bad if I was just doing one link in a review, but I do several links in some reviews. That would get get awkward for me too. |
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| njchicaa |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 2:40 am |
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Reviews written: 739 Member since: Jun 27 '05
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RE: Pandora's box
Quote: phungus I guess I will chime in on here...
I write my reviews in Word 2007, then I cut and paste them into Notepad. THEN I highlight them all again (from Notepad) and cut and paste into the WTF editor.
I do this to get rid all all the dumb extra formatting that Word tacks onto documents. Going from Word to Notepad and then from Notepad to the web should make it nothing but text.
However, it puts these extra spaces in between my paragraphs. I have to go back through every paragraph to get rid of all the extra white space
I will try this later today since we are both on Word 2007. Thanks for sharing.
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 6:30 am |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: sleeper54 We could all still be riding Schwinn bikes with banana seats and streamers in the handgrips, playing cards clothes-pinned into the wheels/spokes. Gawd that would be awesome, ehh..?? Baseball cards, three-dot, baseball cards: Mama don't allow no playin' cards 'round here...
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 6:35 am |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: Pandora's box
Quote: phungus I write my reviews in Word 2007, then I cut and paste them into Notepad. THEN I highlight them all again (from Notepad) and cut and paste into the WTF editor. Instead of cut-n-paste into Notepad, fun-guy, have Word save the review as plain text and then open it with Notepad. The "save as text" step removes all formatting (especially if you check the "use character substitution" box).
I'm a-gonna try pasting from Word 2007 later on; I have it on the laptop at work. Will let you know...
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 6:39 am |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: dragonfire88 I'm not trying to be difficult. But I don't like the new way of doing links. I'm sorry, Marie, but "the new way of doing links" is the way almost every GUI interface on the planet "does links." You highlight the text, click the link button, and a box pops up that lets you paste or type in the URL. What is so unlikeable about that? It's sure a heckuva lot easier than having to type in <a href="...">nnn</a> for every link, isn't it?
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 6:48 am (Updated: Sep 04 '08, 6:51 am) |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: dragonfire88 I tried copying the links in - with the code - in the box and it didn't do the links right. I then had to go into the html editor thingy and fix them [bolding mine].
There's your problem, Marie:
• You don't need to paste HTML code anywhere in the WYSIWYG editor
• All that goes in blank on the "create-a-link" popup box is the URL.
• The editor puts all HTML tags in for you.
Not having to put in the HTML code is the whole point of the new editor.
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| ladyconsumer |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 6:51 am |
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Reviews written: 634 Member since: Jul 11 '05
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RE: What information we need
Quote: scmrak It's sure a heckuva lot easier than having to type in nnn for every link, isn't it?
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Unless you have a bunch of them to do, and you're handy with copy/paste, macros, and other methods of generating the syntax. In that case, the old way could be much faster. I haven't experimented on the new way enough to know if there will be a fast copy/paste or auto-generation method for the links. |
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 6:59 am (Updated: Sep 04 '08, 7:13 am) |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: ladyconsumer Unless you have a bunch of them to do, and you're handy with copy/paste, macros, and other methods of generating the syntax. In that case, the old way could be much faster. I haven't experimented on the new way enough to know if there will be a fast copy/paste or auto-generation method for the links. Well, cher, I'm the guy who wrote the book (or more properly "essay") on using MSWord macros to create your tags - so I autogenerate the things, myself. Here's what I see: people who append the same twenty or thirty links to the bottom of every last review are complaining about how hard it is (it really isn't, but let 'em keep thinking that). Me, I put one or two links in a review (at the most, three), and I think the method works just fine.
Most of the time it takes me to create a link is spent on finding the URL of the page I want to link to. I used to paste it in between the "" my macro creates, now I paste it in the popup blank. What's the big deal?
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| befus |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 7:08 am |
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Reviews written: 755 Member since: May 21 '03
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RE: What information we need
I'm not sure it's a matter of it being harder or easier to create links one way or the other. It's just that what we've gotten used to doing is no longer the way we can do it. So there's a learning curve involved. Perhaps we all just need to be more patient with ourselves (and each other) in the interim.
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 7:32 am (Updated: Sep 04 '08, 7:34 am) |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: befus I'm not sure it's a matter of it being harder or easier to create links one way or the other. It's just that what we've gotten used to doing is no longer the way we can do it. So there's a learning curve involved. Beth, I don't know that there really is a learning curve. The procedure for creating links is a graphic user interface (GUI) standard, right down to the little chain icon. Gmail, hotmail, and yahoo mail have all used it for years. MS Word uses a version of it. The sites where most of us blog use it (I'm on Wordpress - it's there). Wikipedia's edit function uses it (although with a different icon). The competition - v1eWπ10nts•c0m - uses exactly the same procedure, right down to the icon. I'm flabbergasted that more people aren't already familiar with the procedure from having experienced it in any of a dozen other common settings.
That being said, I agree that someone, somewhere should have provided a brief introduction to how to use the GUI interface beyond what's on the member center. So I did.
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| ifif1938 |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 7:38 am |
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Reviews written: 799 Member since: Jan 17 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: sleeper54 ...sigh...
Barbara, just checked with a dummy review:
Went to your user-page, highlighted the titled link to your last review, copied it, opened a dummy review, pasted it in, there ya go: an active link with only one copy-n-paste step.
No copying the title, then copying the link, then highlighting the correct text on your draft review; no clicking the special link button; no typing HTML code; no remembering HTML code.
...tom...
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Tom, I really appreciate you doing this for me...question, could I just take each submitting review link and put it in the text? one by one or just the entire column of links. there are nearly 60 reviews with links, would I have todo that 60 times?
I'll experiement a bit, but first I must write a review today I keep getting distracted...
funny thing I was once given a bike when I was about 6, wish I really didn't want and I kept falling off, it wasn't long before I gave up on it....to this day I can't ride a bike...;(...but, I did learn how to ski years ago because that was soemthing I really wanted to do...:) |
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| scmrak |
Posted: Sep 04 '08, 9:05 am (Updated: Sep 04 '08, 9:09 am) |
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Reviews written: 1363 Member since: Sep 27 '00
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RE: What information we need
Quote: ifif1938 Tom, I really appreciate you doing this for me...question, could I just take each submitting review link and put it in the text? one by one or just the entire column of links. there are nearly 60 reviews with links, would I have todo that 60 times? Barb, I just looked at the html source for your page-o'-links, and every one of them is already formatted correctly. So if you don't mess up adding a new link, there shouldn't be any problem at all.
Here are the instructions:
1) Type your sentence with the name of the review. Put a period after it: My own review about a mustard fit for a king Moutarde De Meaux Pommery.
2) highlight the words Moutarde De Meaux Pommery with your mouse. Do NOT highlight the period (double-click on the first word and then drag the mouse over the second and third - it'll stop before the period).
3) after you have highlighted the word(s) you wnat to show as a link, click the little chain button. A little new window will pop up (If you do not see a popup window, you cannot go any futher until you set your popup blocker to allow popups from epinions.com)
4) paste the URL - http://www.epinions.com/review/Moutarde_De_Meaux_Pommery/content_437702659716 - in the box on the popup. You do not need to put HTML tags or anything else in the box, just the URL. Then click the "insert" button
5) voila
The important thing is to make certain that you don't include the period in the tag. That way, you will not run into the probblem of having a line break inside the link tags. Now as for italicizing the titles... try italicizing first and then adding the link without "unhighlighting" the text in between steps.
As long as you don't change anything in the list of existing reviews, you ought to have no problems adding new ones. I'd add any new ones at the end of the list, if I were you.
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