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| phungus |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 6:02 am |
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: joyfulgirl91
...nut-butter...
Beavis and Butthead could have done a whole episode about that.
Huhhhhh huh huh huh |
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| joyfulgirl91 |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 6:08 am |
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Reviews written: 157 Member since: May 14 '05
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: phungus Beavis and Butthead could have done a whole episode about that.
Huhhhhh huh huh huh
You and I sooo belong in junior high. |
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| drdevience |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 6:10 am |
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Reviews written: 647 Member since: Jun 09 '02
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: joyfulgirl91 You and I sooo belong in junior high.
Wait.
You mean we're not in Jr High anymore...?
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| vivasuzi |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 6:49 am |
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Reviews written: 32 Member since: Mar 06 '00
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: anderclayton Actually this sort of thing is essentially irrelevant. It is abuse. They are the same product. If, when Epinions goes on a bug jag in Movies, someone posts a film review both in "In Theaters" and "On Video/DVD" they both get NHs from me regardless of whether the person includes a couple of words about DVD features. It is the same product. The same goes with different colors (basically an irrelevant distinction).
Ander
I wouldn't post on the same movie, however I disagree with you there. A movie in the theaters may be completely awesome... and then you rent it and it just sucks on DVD. THis is relavant. However, if they users review were the same both times, I would say that is abuse.
As for all the examples, it would all depend (in my opinion) as to whether they mention something significant to say why this one is *different* than the other one they just reviewed. I was thinking about this argument we had before about the multi-colors (say ipods) and we said consumers would most likely read reviews under ALL of the colors, so posting the same/similar review under 2 colors really seems kind of lame UNLESS you have a good reason why one is significantly *different*.. just my opinion :) |
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| drdevience |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:14 am (Updated: Mar 08 '06, 7:14 am) |
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Reviews written: 647 Member since: Jun 09 '02
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: vivasuzi I wouldn't post on the same movie, however I disagree with you there. A movie in the theaters may be completely awesome... and then you rent it and it just sucks on DVD. THis is relavant. However, if they users review were the same both times, I would say that is abuse.
As for all the examples, it would all depend (in my opinion) as to whether they mention something significant to say why this one is *different* than the other one they just reviewed. I was thinking about this argument we had before about the multi-colors (say ipods) and we said consumers would most likely read reviews under ALL of the colors, so posting the same/similar review under 2 colors really seems kind of lame UNLESS you have a good reason why one is significantly *different*.. just my opinion :)
You think they read every review of every color?
I don't. I think they zero in on one and, thinking the others are nothing but color changes, skip them... but we have no idea which color they will land on first.
But, this is all conjecture as to how most consumers act. Some stats would help clear this issue up in a hurry...
Oooh Rob..! Come out come out wherever you are!
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| joyfulgirl91 |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:21 am |
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Reviews written: 157 Member since: May 14 '05
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RE: Advice please?
Sometimes I think it's funny when we act like members are not consumers. What we find helpful when reading reviews shouldn't be different from what non-members find helpful. But in this case, I think only members read many reviews of one item. If I am looking for a review of something in a category I don't write in and don't know any of the TRs, I read one of the first three or four reviews on top and then look for one more by someone who had a different opinion to compare. I would never read the reviews on black ipods and then read the reviews on white ipods. I would select the color with the most reviews under it and read that one, even if it under the green ipod when I would plan to buy the orange one. |
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:25 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: A way to avoid this
Quote: phungus On the Electronics board, speaking of MP3 players, one of the Leads called it 'hits harvesting'. Yeah it is, but if it meets the 100 word difference, then I guess it only comes to a matter of ethics.
You talking about AVaddict? He isn't a Lead, just a moderator and Top Reviewer (unless I'm just totally out of the loop). One of the actual Electronics Leads has actually done it in the past.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:30 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: joyfulgirl91 Sometimes I think it's funny when we act like members are not consumers. What we find helpful when reading reviews shouldn't be different from what non-members find helpful. But in this case, I think only members read many reviews of one item. If I am looking for a review of something in a category I don't write in and don't know any of the TRs, I read one of the first three or four reviews on top and then look for one more by someone who had a different opinion to compare. I would never read the reviews on black ipods and then read the reviews on white ipods. I would select the color with the most reviews under it and read that one, even if it under the green ipod when I would plan to buy the orange one.
Helpful as a consumer would be for the site to merge the categories into one. It would also be helpful as a consumer for the site to reward more different items with IS rather than rewarding multiple listings of the same item because more entries is better than less (given a limited IS budget). Having the two entries as separate ones isn't helpful at all for a consumer and is pretty dang pointless.
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| phungus |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:33 am |
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Reviews written: 2310 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: Advice please?
I'm playing dual roles here.
First, I'm acting like a consumer who wants the best access to the most information about a particular product.
Second, I'm acting like a member who wants to get more reads and earn more IS.
Yes, I do write to help consumers, but I also write to help earn myself some cash. I'm up for anything that both helps consumers and earns me mo' money at the same time, so long as it is within the rules. |
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| drdevience |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:34 am |
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Reviews written: 647 Member since: Jun 09 '02
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: anderclayton Helpful as a consumer would be for the site to merge the categories into one. It would also be helpful as a consumer for the site to reward more different items with IS rather than rewarding multiple listings of the same item because more entries is better than less (given a limited IS budget). Having the two entries as separate ones isn't helpful at all for a consumer and is pretty dang pointless.
Ander
Agreed.
But, only Eps can fix that. So, we need to figger out a common bond on what to do with those reviews in the meantime as members... and we need to really base that on what we think is most helpful to the non-member consumer.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:36 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: vivasuzi I wouldn't post on the same movie, however I disagree with you there. A movie in the theaters may be completely awesome... and then you rent it and it just sucks on DVD. THis is relavant. However, if they users review were the same both times, I would say that is abuse.
:)
After which review (the DVD version) it seems like it would be a good idea to put the specs of your home theater system down, etc. because some films are better with better systems... Given that most reviews are on the film content though, the DVD thing isn't all that useful at all. I'm not saying that the information wouldn't be useful but if you see it In Theaters the first time through, buy it and see it on DVD, you should update the first review if you are going to do it. On the other hand, given the fact that Epinions doesn't reward such things this comes down to more of a 'having fun with the site' question (or ethics if you would).
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:37 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: drdevience Agreed.
But, only Eps can fix that. So, we need to figger out a common bond on what to do with those reviews in the meantime as members... and we need to really base that on what we think is most helpful to the non-member consumer.
PonderingDoc
NH them all. There is the common bond ;)
No common bond needed actually. Your rating is your own.
However, rating one VH and one NH seems more than a bit silly.
Ander
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:40 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: drdevience Agreed.
But, only Eps can fix that. So, we need to figger out a common bond on what to do with those reviews in the meantime as members... and we need to really base that on what we think is most helpful to the non-member consumer.
PonderingDoc
Actually if the Leads were to pressure Epinions about the issue it would possibly expedite things a bit.
Again though, I'd suggest that having people write more different reviews instead of writing the same review for multiple items is more helpful for the consumer.
Ander |
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:44 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: phungus I'm playing dual roles here.
First, I'm acting like a consumer who wants the best access to the most information about a particular product.
Second, I'm acting like a member who wants to get more reads and earn more IS.
Yes, I do write to help consumers, but I also write to help earn myself some cash. I'm up for anything that both helps consumers and earns me mo' money at the same time, so long as it is within the rules.
OK. The problem is that it is a grey area for Epinions. They actually do have the multiple review thing in writing and I'm not sure if they still have the "100 distinct word" thing still in effect.
What if you had a review on a competing product and instead of going to your review they go to the link harvester's review after going to a different version of their review? Bad for you, frustrating for the consumer.
I mean if you set all ethical issues aside and just went for the 'mo' money' thing there are lots of things that you could do and most aren't really productive for the site as a whole.
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| drdevience |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:45 am |
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Reviews written: 647 Member since: Jun 09 '02
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: anderclayton comes down to more of a 'having fun with the site' question
Ander
Quote: anderclayton NH them all.
Errrrrr......
FunDoc
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| phungus |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:46 am |
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Reviews written: 2310 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: anderclayton Actually if the Leads were to pressure Epinions about the issue it would possibly expedite things a bit.
Again though, I'd suggest that having people write more different reviews instead of writing the same review for multiple items is more helpful for the consumer.
Ander
Perhaps I should use 'reword what the Encyclopedia says' skills from high school papers. |
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:47 am |
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Reviews written: 50 Member since: Dec 18 '99
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: drdevience Errrrrr......
FunDoc
It isn't fun reading the same article over and over again.
NH them all and leave a nice, pleasant message on the applicable reviews.
I mean sure giving everything VHs might be more "fun" but it isn't really all that productive.
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| drdevience |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:50 am |
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Reviews written: 647 Member since: Jun 09 '02
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: phungus Perhaps I should use 'reword what the Encyclopedia says' skills from high school papers.
No doubt.
And still, there will be some fun-suckin folks who live their lives to find something wrong with everything. The rigid That's not fair crowd, doncha know...
Yeah rules are needed, but I do admit to getting tired of some of the nitpicking at times...
GrinningDoc
(gone now til tomorrow... swappin' Ports and hitting hte hockey game tonight.. do try to all behave now. HA!) |
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| chelledun |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 7:52 am |
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Reviews written: 1057 Member since: May 16 '03
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RE: Advice please?
I find this to be the lesser of two evils situation. Ok, its probably annoying to a lot of people that some folks are "exploiting the system" to make money on similar reviews. This doesn't bother me that much because the categories I write in aren't really bringing in the big bucks anyway.
However, to me what is worse is having a consumer come into the website and see lots and lots of blank categories, or categories with very few reviews. If there are categories for black, white, purple, and pink widgets (not that there should be, but if there are), I would like to see them all filled with quality reviews so the consumer feels that Epinions has good database coverage. If this results in some folks hitting the IS jackpot, so be it. It doesn't really matter to me if someone went through and rewrote the whole thing or not if the information presented would be essentiallyt the same anyway. It seems silly to require rewriting beyond the 100 word rule just for the sake of rewriting.
Of course, the ideal situation would be to eliminate very similar widget categories, but in the meantime I vote for database coverage.
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| gamblin_man |
Posted: Mar 08 '06, 8:05 am |
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Reviews written: 411 Member since: Apr 08 '01
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RE: Advice please?
Quote: anderclayton OK. The problem is that it is a grey area for Epinions. They actually do have the multiple review thing in writing and I'm not sure if they still have the "100 distinct word" thing still in effect.
Ander
9. Can I post the same review more than once?
No. Each product or topic must have a unique review. Although many products may contain similarities (for example, among multiple sets of knives by a single manufacturer, the same text could apply to several sets of knives), there should be a minimum of 100 words of unique text in each review and should compare the two products.
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