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puckmugger Posted: Jun 05 '08,  8:57 am           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Jeff,
Thanks for pointing me to that thread. I felt a little bad about the negativity of my previous post. It's all so frustrating though. You made an excellent point in the other thread though, it's not being negative for the sake of being negative. There is a real problem that has existed far too long and going merrily along as if there isn't one doesn't do anyone a bit of good.

I'm too busy with other things right now to do anything about moving my reviews. But in a couple months if things aren't fixed, I'm pretty sure that's the route I'm going to go. Leaving them where no one can see them is a waste.

Scott

   
popsrocks Posted: Jun 06 '08,  6:37 am           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Hey Dave, Scott, Jeff, and Smallmouth,

I know most of you guys going way back to when I was still an Advisor in Sports and I know we had talked much more often then through comments.

I've been over in the message boards and have been involved in asking questions, giving concerns and talking options while there is so much indecision and lack of reaL PROGRESS in reference to categories having problems.

I'm not following any person's lead there and profess all I say comes from my heart. None is or was to be considered condescending or bitter toward rightful questions being brought up. I simply posted what I believe the options were to doing nothing. I also realise that those options don't "fit" everyone. They were said in general.

When it comes down to the bottom line things stink in this category and Beauty. They have been hit harder than any other categories the way I see it. I've voiced that many times over the last few months.

Though I don't have as much invested in this category as you guys I still have 18 or so reviews posted since December that of course aren't doing a thing. That's a lot of time I have invested in Sports too. I have been fortunate in regard to not losing total IS or total views because I am also quite diversified.

I just wanted to let you know first hand I care about you guys and everyone on the site. I think the situation stinks for you and unfortunately I don't have much else to say, or really can say. As I stated in another thread on the message boards, We are all big boys and can only make our own decisions.

I'll also add that I hope this mess gets cleared up sooner rather than later.

Best regards,

Phil


   
jps246 Posted: Jun 06 '08,  7:44 am           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Quote: popsrocks
I've been over in the message boards and have been involved in asking questions, giving concerns and talking options while there is so much indecision and lack of reaL PROGRESS in reference to categories having problems.

I'm not following any person's lead there and profess all I say comes from my heart. None is or was to be considered condescending or bitter toward rightful questions being brought up. I simply posted what I believe the options were to doing nothing. I also realise that those options don't "fit" everyone. They were said in general.

When it comes down to the bottom line things stink in this category and Beauty. They have been hit harder than any other categories the way I see it. I've voiced that many times over the last few months.

Hey Phil - I think it just stinks for everyone at the moment and we're all at differing levels of being fed up. It's just that you'd think that a problem like this would be handled in a classier (and quicker) manner than Epinions has been handling it.

That makes tempers flare so it's only natural that there's some sparring here and there.

I know I've kept quiet for 8 months, but even my optimism has been starting to wear thin.

I don't think Epinions is gonna fail or anything, but it's broken and it needs to get fixed and the Eps staff needs to do a lot better job communicating with the people who provide its lifeblood.

Quote: popsrocks
I'll also add that I hope this mess gets cleared up sooner rather than later.

Amen to that!

Jeff
   
jps246 Posted: Jun 06 '08,  12:26 pm (Updated: Jun 06 '08,  12:27 pm)           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

At least for the overall MPA list (sitewide), it seems that the invisible reviews for Outdoor Gear & Sporting Goods reviews have been re-incorporated into hit totals (though the reviews themselves aren't counting new hits - it's just counting what you had already gotten pre-/review/ bug). However there's still no tracking for the reviews themselves and if you try to get hit counts for the individual category, it's not there.

I guess it's some sort of improvement.

Jeff

   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 06 '08,  2:18 pm           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Quote: popsrocks
Hey Dave, Scott, Jeff, and Smallmouth,
I just wanted to let you know first hand I care about you guys and everyone on the site. I think the situation stinks for you and unfortunately I don't have much else to say, or really can say. As I stated in another thread on the message boards, We are all big boys and can only make our own decisions.


Thanks Phil, I was starting to feel like epinion's unwanted stepchild ;)
Scott
   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 06 '08,  2:24 pm           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Quote: jps246


I don't think Epinions is gonna fail or anything, but it's broken and it needs to get fixed and the Eps staff needs to do a lot better job communicating with the people who provide its lifeblood.


Jeff,
I heartily agree. The issue isn't whether the site succeeds, but whether they care enough to keep the quality writers they have. With the seemingly apathetic attitude toward these issues as well as the dumb 10 for 10 promo, it doesn't seem like they really care and that's what is irritating me.

Some communications (as you mentioned) would have gone a long way. However, it's getting to be a little to late for me to buy into anything other than the restoration of Sports and Outdoors to complete functionality. Talk is especially cheap when it's only offered defensively.

Scott
   
trailhound Posted: Jun 06 '08,  6:20 pm           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Quote: popsrocks
I think the situation stinks for you and unfortunately I don't have much else to say, or really can say. As I stated in another thread on the message boards, We are all big boys and can only make our own decisions. Phil


Thanks for the follow-up. I think the biggest disappointment (as Jeff alluded to in his comment) is the lack of communication from the higher-ups. It'd just be a common courtesy for them to acknowledge exactly what the problems are and what they are doing (if anything) to fix them. -Dave
   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 07 '08,  8:28 am           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories?

Quote: trailhound
It'd just be a common courtesy for them to acknowledge exactly what the problems are and what they are doing (if anything) to fix them. -Dave


Dave,
Exactly! The lack of any communication is what makes me suspect that there isn't anything beyond some possible head scratching happening. Had they been forthright and communicated openly with us from the start it might have meant something. Any news now would seem reactionary and I'd personally be dubious as to its accuracy.
Scott
   
jps246 Posted: Jun 11 '08,  5:21 pm           Reply
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What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories? Update from Almar

Almar posted over in the Outdoor Gear board that they are looking to roll out a fix for the MPA/MPR stats for the broken categories including sports and outdoors starting tomorrow.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that it starts working.

Here's the original post.

Jeff

   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 12 '08,  8:26 am           Reply
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RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories? Update from Almar

Well, that's something. It would be a lot nicer if they figured out how to make our reviews visible again though.
Scott

   
jps246 Posted: Jun 12 '08,  9:00 am           Reply
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Post: 189435
RE: What is Epinions Doing with Sports and Outdoors Categories? Update from Almar

There's a person on the main board reporting that their reviews that were invisible are showing up now. Not sure if it's part of the roll-out that Almar was talking about. Hopefully it is.

Original Post

Jeff

   
jps246 Posted: Jun 13 '08,  6:06 am           Reply
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MPA/MPR is back, but doesn't seem quite right...

It looks like the MPA/MPR is somewhat back up and running. I don't know about others, but at least for me, it seems to be pretty significantly messed up though.

I'm ranked down at like 138 in the Sports & Outdoors Category and it's showing that I have just over 5900 total hits. I've got Outdoor Gear reviews that have more total hits than that by themselves so the stat tracking stuff isn't picking up all the reviews and all the total hits I guess. Anyone else noticing issues? I sent in a bug report, not sure if it'll do anything.

I posted this over on the main board and over on the Outdoor Gear Board.

Jeff

   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 13 '08,  11:02 am           Reply
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RE: MPA/MPR is back, but doesn't seem quite right...

Jeff,
It's definitely right since I'm on top of the board . . . woohoo, first place.

Seriously, it's not right. It shows about 1/5 of what I would guess my total sports and outdoor hits are and I know full well that there are several people who should be leading me in hits. I'm guessing that it's counting hits for the first year that I wrote here only.

Scott

   
trailhound Posted: Jun 15 '08,  3:34 pm           Reply
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Post: 189723
No new outside hits yet

I checked through a number of my reviews in Sports/Outdoors and none have recorded new hits (none since April). Anyone else see the same?

I did a Google search on some and they did appear in the Google search engine, so I think the hit counter just isn't recording anything yet. No hits = no IS (but you already knew that). -Dave

   
jps246 Posted: Jun 16 '08,  5:21 am           Reply
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Post: 189766
RE: No new outside hits yet

Quote: trailhound
I checked through a number of my reviews in Sports/Outdoors and none have recorded new hits (none since April). Anyone else see the same?

I think I saw one review (that wasn't an advice piece) that seemed to have a few hits for June, but not very many. However all the others haven't had anything since April (and for some, long before that). The only Sports & Outdoors reviews that continue to earn what I'd consider a semi-normal amount of hits are my two advice pieces that I'd written probably years ago now, even though they do have the /review/ bug now.

Go figure!

Jeff
   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 16 '08,  8:25 am           Reply
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RE: No new outside hits yet

I found two reviews with one hit each in June. Both were pretty new and I would have expected decent numbers on one of them. I didn't see any hits for May in any reviews and April numbers were a dismal drop off from March and February. It's pretty obvious though that some issue began in February from looking at the trends.

Scott

   
popsrocks Posted: Jun 19 '08,  4:48 pm           Reply
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RE: No new outside hits yet

Quote: puckmugger
I found two reviews with one hit each in June. Both were pretty new and I would have expected decent numbers on one of them. I didn't see any hits for May in any reviews and April numbers were a dismal drop off from March and February. It's pretty obvious though that some issue began in February from looking at the trends.

Scott


The issues as I see it.

New reviews are not getting any outside hits.

Older reviews started losing views last October and dwindled even further at the beginning of this year.
Most all my older sports reviews are not getting any more views at all since March.

I have two or three, and they do have the /review/ in the link that continue to get hits and IS...ODD isn't it.

I'm hoping we will be getting good news soon.


Did your stats change with the newest MPR/MPA numbers that hit today?

pops
   
jps246 Posted: Jun 20 '08,  7:25 am           Reply
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RE: No new outside hits yet

Quote: popsrocks
Did your stats change with the newest MPR/MPA numbers that hit today?

For those of you who don't know, Eps pushed out a second update to the MPA/MPR info for Sports & Outdoors. The announcement is over here on the Outdoor Gear Board.

Mine numbers changed. I don't remember what I was before, but it seems like it's at least near right now. I'd have to go and really look at all my reviews to figure it out and I don't want to really go through all of them counting hits.

Now let's get the reviews to count hits!

Jeff
   
puckmugger Posted: Jun 21 '08,  12:16 pm (Updated: Jun 21 '08,  12:16 pm)           Reply
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RE: No new outside hits yet

Quote: popsrocks
Did your stats change with the newest MPR/MPA numbers that hit today?
pops


They appear to be correct now.
Scott
   
popsrocks Posted: Jun 22 '08,  11:59 pm           Reply
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RE: No new outside hits yet

Quote: puckmugger
They appear to be correct now.
Scott



Good news! Glad to hear it.

Let's see what else happens in the coming weeks and months.

pops
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