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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jul 12 '08, 8:01 am |
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RE: I'm Not All Negative
Quote: morilla Have you guys noticed that hits for July are now showing; at least, according to jump_chump's post, for the 1st through the 9th?
There. Now you have my positive contribution.
I hate to dribble my negative on your positive, but I haven't seen any July hits on many of my reviews which were getting hundreds a month previously.
I agree with Pops that some things seem to be improving as some of my reviews do have hits stats. However, there is a long way to go before things are acceptable.
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jul 12 '08, 10:40 am |
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| morilla |
Posted: Jul 12 '08, 4:39 pm |
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A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: puckmugger I hate to dribble my negative on your positive, but I haven't seen any July hits on many of my reviews which were getting hundreds a month previously.
I agree with Pops that some things seem to be improving as some of my reviews do have hits stats. However, there is a long way to go before things are acceptable.
Scott
They're talking about exactly the same thing on the General Board here: No counts
So, dribble away because I strongly agree. The link I just provided, I hope, takes you to the page where it would seem that Garrett is providing a warning very similar to my supposed "theories and conjecture" above; i.e., new IS distribution within a category. My concern is that with all these $0 for reviews, some with decent hit totals, it is going to create a real "what's the point?" mentality. If it becomes almost a true gamble as to whether a review will pay anything (not just "take off," but anything), where's the incentive?
This is also the concern over the 10-4-10. If the "new" IS distribution is based, in part, on such promotions in terms of Epinions actually living up to its 'contractual' agreement to pay for your work (particularly given that the new formatting has allowed them to spread the reviews across an even larger number of content partners), then has Epinions gone the direction of some or one of the newer review sites where only "the most prolific writers" are going to see anything?
It comes back to communication. In the absence of such, all we are left with is speculation or acceptance; neither of which promotes a healthy confidence in the members. The idea is that if you have a big enough portfolio of reviews and you have the time to make large numbers of postings, then things are probably "acceptable" and you can afford the time to wait for things to be 'fixed' - however that may be defined. But, again, that brings us back to the definition of 'real people.'
I agree with Pops. Things are not going to be the same as before Black Tuesday. The trouble is, we're being given all kinds of mixed signals as to the way things are and are going to be. In the meantime, many are 'taking it in the shorts' waiting to find out what's expected of them vis a vis hits/IS. In that sense, we already know that many of the veteran writers have already lost patience and many more are verging on losing it.
Using your context, the question becomes: "How long is a long ways to go?" It's something that's difficult to find out with all the cheering and grabbing hold of any small or seemingly large change as evidence that things are going to be alright and end up where we want. I think that might be what Garrett is also warning about. Where Epinions is about to end up, may not be where anticipated. |
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jul 13 '08, 11:35 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jul 14 '08, 6:04 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: morilla Using your context, the question becomes: "How long is a long ways to go?" It's something that's difficult to find out with all the cheering and grabbing hold of any small or seemingly large change as evidence that things are going to be alright and end up where we want. I think that might be what Garrett is also warning about. Where Epinions is about to end up, may not be where anticipated.
The unfortunate thing for us is that we just don't know.
I've been around Epinions for a while now and it's gone through a couple of different permutations. I figure it's kept working for me so I've stuck around. If it changes to the point where it doesn't, then I'll have to rethink it.
I'll admit to exploring other options, but on the whole, especially for those of us with fairly sizable Epinions review catalogs, this site still offers a pretty good deal. That is, unless you've got all your reviews in what were dead categories.
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jul 14 '08, 10:51 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: jps246 The unfortunate thing for us is that we just don't know.
I've been around Epinions for a while now and it's gone through a couple of different permutations. I figure it's kept working for me so I've stuck around. If it changes to the point where it doesn't, then I'll have to rethink it.
I'll admit to exploring other options, but on the whole, especially for those of us with fairly sizable Epinions review catalogs, this site still offers a pretty good deal. That is, unless you've got all your reviews in what were dead categories.
Jeff
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jul 14 '08, 1:24 pm |
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| jump_chump |
Posted: Jul 14 '08, 7:40 pm (Updated: Jul 14 '08, 8:05 pm) |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
I've been following the conversations on this particular board for the last few weeks because I know Sports & Outdoors was hit by the missing hits problem. I've been working the last few weeks to straighten things out. I am pretty sure things are getting better.
I'm posting now because I want to clarify that, except for fixing what was broken, Income Share has not been changed.
The goal is to return IS to what it was before the big SP release late last year.
Garrett's points are good ones, and perhaps once IS is stable we can use them to make IS more 'equitable'. As always, know that my comments are my own opinions, and Yoel and Almar have the last word.
damon
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jul 14 '08, 8:16 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: jump_chump I've been following the conversations on this particular board for the last few weeks because I know Sports & Outdoors was hit by the missing hits problem. I've been working the last few weeks to straighten things out. I am pretty sure things are getting better.
I'm posting now because I want to clarify that, except for fixing what was broken, Income Share has not been changed.
damon
Hey Damon,
Thanks for jumpin' in on the thread. It feels good to know that those "in the trenches of the busines" are interested in our conversations.
I am also looking forward to seeing the hits picked up for June '08 later this week.
To fellow Outdoor and Sports writers; I haven't posted any reviews in those categories for a while knowing the IS and hits were dead. I did however post two reviews in June after it was known that some kind of fix was on the way.
Here's some data in reference to hits
June 17 Review of a plug-in cooler 38/98
June 23rd Review of a Kayak 38/95
I don't know if I was lucky in finding two products bringing in substantial hits but I do know I am eager to write a few more reviews there.
I'll be interested in seeing what the IS is like on them next month.
pops
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jul 15 '08, 5:10 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: popsrocks Thanks for jumpin' in on the thread. It feels good to know that those "in the trenches of the busines" are interested in our conversations.
Well said! It makes me feel better to know that the Eps folks are taking an interest in what's happening here.
Jeff
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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jul 15 '08, 2:59 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Indeed,
I used to come in here to take a nap and it's been too interesting to sleep lately. It's good though. I appreciate Damon's message as well. Sporting Goods was never a great category in terms of IS, so perhaps things will improve eventually (beyond what they were when things were working properly).
But don't worry, I'm not getting all optimistic or anything, just somewhat less pessimistic. (grin).
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jul 15 '08, 8:49 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: puckmugger Indeed,
I used to come in here to take a nap and it's been too interesting to sleep lately. It's good though. I appreciate Damon's message as well. Sporting Goods was never a great category in terms of IS, so perhaps things will improve eventually (beyond what they were when things were working properly).
But don't worry, I'm not getting all optimistic or anything, just somewhat less pessimistic. (grin).
Scott
Can't move you over to the Dark Side of optimism. ; )
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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jul 16 '08, 1:45 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: popsrocks Can't move you over to the Dark Side of optimism. ; )
pops
I'm slowly closing in on it . . . wait, you aren't going to tell me, "Scott, I'm your father." are you?
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| cmaw63 |
Posted: Jul 18 '08, 5:52 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: jump_chump I've been following the conversations on this particular board for the last few weeks because I know Sports & Outdoors was hit by the missing hits problem. I've been working the last few weeks to straighten things out. I am pretty sure things are getting better.
I'm posting now because I want to clarify that, except for fixing what was broken, Income Share has not been changed.
The goal is to return IS to what it was before the big SP release late last year.
Garrett's points are good ones, and perhaps once IS is stable we can use them to make IS more 'equitable'. As always, know that my comments are my own opinions, and Yoel and Almar have the last word.
damon
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jul 20 '08, 9:33 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: puckmugger I'm slowly closing in on it . . . wait, you aren't going to tell me, "Scott, I'm your father." are you?
Scott
Ha, I'm probably more the Yoda type.
Hey all!! Have you checked the June hits that have been rolling in over the weekend? Mine seem to be moving up nicely.
A few old faithfuls pulled in a good amount of hits and a couple didn't fare well. I suppose a lot of that will be due to where and how they are now found.
All in all, I'm excited about what I see. I hope you might be seeing stats moving up too.
How are you guys and gals doing?
pops
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| trailhound |
Posted: Jul 30 '08, 5:06 pm |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: morilla
I agree with Pops. Things are not going to be the same as before Black Tuesday.
Looking at July (so far) my Sports/Outdoors reviews are accumulating hits again, but at roughly half the pace they did 1 year ago. It'll be interesting to see the IS for July '08. -Dave
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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jul 31 '08, 9:19 am |
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Yep,
It is good to see the hits again. I'm just reserving my optomism until I see the IS that goes with the counts.
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jul 31 '08, 10:10 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: puckmugger Yep,
It is good to see the hits again. I'm just reserving my optomism until I see the IS that goes with the counts.
Scott
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| morilla |
Posted: Aug 02 '08, 3:36 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: trailhound Looking at July (so far) my Sports/Outdoors reviews are accumulating hits again, but at roughly half the pace they did 1 year ago. It'll be interesting to see the IS for July '08. -Dave
Any number of my S/OG reviews aren't just at a much slower pace than last year, they don't even hold up to the numbers finally assigned to them for June. Even forgetting about that, those that are accumulating nice number of hits weren't being assigned anywhere near the IS they received for fewer hits before Black Tuesday. As you say, since this is supposed to be a somewhat back to 'normal' month, it will be interesting to see how the IS shakes out. |
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| morilla |
Posted: Aug 02 '08, 3:37 am |
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RE: A Hint Or A Caution?
Quote: puckmugger Yep,
It is good to see the hits again. I'm just reserving my optomism until I see the IS that goes with the counts.
Scott
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