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roheblius Posted: Aug 27 '08,  9:35 pm           
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moderator in Music
Post: 199630
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

I used both the bold and italics several times without fail.

I wish I could see the errors (well maybe not).

   
dragonfire88 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  10:46 pm           
Reviews written: 1168
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Post: 199632
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: roheblius
If we have an editor now, why don't we try writing directly in the Epinions box now instead of in Word or in some sort of Text Editor?

You can always copy and paste back into Word.

I had zero problems, but I always use the Epinions box when I write reviews.


I work on several of my reviews a little bit at a time and I like being able to save them in WordPerfect while I'm working on them. Besides, my internet has issues at times and I don't care to lose a review after I've spend hours working on it - yes I sometimes spend hours on a single review. I like to be able to work on a review without having to have my browser open.
   
sleeper54 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  10:57 pm (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  10:22 am)           
Reviews written: 491
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 199633
brutal . . .very brutal...

...
I know HTML tags.

I know how to find errors.

I know how to isolate the problem.

I am now trying to post a review.

This sentence, this HTML code and this HTML code alone is preventing it from posting.:

[i]Argentina[br /]Tango in Buenos Aires:[br /]It's more than just a dance ... the tango, born in the poor neighborhoods of Buenos Aires, is the very soul of Argentina.[/i]

( square brackets substituted because I am too lazy/tired to double check the ascii code for the caret brackets... )


After 45 minutes of work trying to 'fix it' ...I think I rediscovered Mona's thought here.

You can not have a [br /] tag in between multiple lines of bold or italics. Although I am sure that should work.

So the line above needs to look like this:

[i]Argentina[/i][br /][i]Tango in Buenos Aires:[/i][br /][i]It's more than just a dance ... the tango, born in the poor neighborhoods of Buenos Aires, is the very soul of Argentina.[/i]

to produce these lines of text:

Argentina
Tango in Buenos Aires:
It's more than just a dance ... the tango, born in the poor neighborhoods of Buenos Aires, is the very soul of Argentina.



Anyway, I think it is broken as it is now, reference the thought above and Mona's note earlier.

It needs to be fixed.



...tom...

P.S. Can someone explain the odd [br /] tags also..?? Why not the ordinary one I see everywhere else: [br]..?? We are sure that is not part of the problem..??
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pablothegreat Posted: Aug 27 '08,  10:59 pm           
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Post: 199634
RE: brutal . . .very brutal...

I don't know but dragonfire just depressed me! Shoot! I was working in the editor and now I am going to worry about losing my work if my connection goes down...again.

   
sleeper54 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  11:09 pm           
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Post: 199635
RE: brutal . . .very brutal...

Quote: pablothegreat
I don't know but dragonfire just depressed me! Shoot! I was working in the editor and now I am going to worry about losing my work if my connection goes down...again.

..??

You can still save your work to a file on your computer frequently and before publishing it to Eps. As you should be anyway, right..??


..??



...tom...
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dragonfire88 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  11:33 pm           
Reviews written: 1168
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Post: 199636
RE: brutal . . .very brutal...

Quote: pablothegreat
I don't know but dragonfire just depressed me! Shoot! I was working in the editor and now I am going to worry about losing my work if my connection goes down...again.


Didn't mean to depress anyone. Sorry about that. I was just stating one of the reasons why I don't want to type directly into the editor. Also doing reviews that way won't really work for me with the way I write my reviews.

By the way, my html knowledge is limited. What is [br/] for?
   
desslok Posted: Aug 28 '08,  12:55 am           
Reviews written: 549
Member since: Dec 28 '01
Post: 199639
RE: OK help out ol' pops

Quote: scmrak
Gone, baby, gone. It's archived in case there's a revolt.


Well that's a shame. It's been a fun ride, but I guess I'll move on to a new reviewing site now.
   
dragonfire88 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  1:54 am           
Reviews written: 1168
Member since: Jul 20 '01
Post: 199640
RE: OK help out ol' pops

I have a headache now.

I decided to go ahead and try to post a book review tonight. I managed with the the bold and italics, though it was a pain. I kept trying to get my links to work and they weren't. Well..they weren't working the way I wanted to them to. I like using the hyperlinks, so the name of the book or movie or whatever I'm liking to is the link. Well that wasn't working for me and I couldn't figure out how to do it that way. My review was a mess with all my attempts at the links cluttering it up. I took them out completely at that point. I then tried to just delete it and I couldn't. I got some error about trying back later. I then went back in to edit yet again and fought with the links again. I thought I finally figured out how to do the links the way I wanted, but once I got to the preview page, my changes weren't there anymore so I don't know if I figured it out or not. This is highly frustrating, especially since it is so close to the end of the month.

This is going to make posting a nightmare, especially if I can't get my links the way I want them. That's a huge step backward in my opinion and I'm not happy at all.

I'm beginning to think I should have just gone and beat my head against a wall instead of trying to post. I still wouldn't have my review posted like I wanted, but I would have gotten the headache with less effort.

   
pablothegreat Posted: Aug 28 '08,  2:12 am           
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Post: 199641
RE: brutal . . .very brutal...

It's okay. The stress of not being able to post because of the html already had given ME a headache too. Maybe if I knew more about html it wouldn't be so hard to find the code that is messing up. For me it is like trudging through quicksand, slow.

I was writing in wordpad and transferring over but thought it would work better just writing on the site. But when you mentioned it could be lost if internet went down, I stopped doing that! So now working with no html to make it easier to submit with no problems--going through word then pasting it in.

br is code for break. It is ONE of the html codes I know of about three. LOL


Quote: dragonfire88
Didn't mean to depress anyone. Sorry about that. I was just stating one of the reasons why I don't want to type directly into the editor. Also doing reviews that way won't really work for me with the way I write my reviews.

By the way, my html knowledge is limited. What is [br/] for?

   
smorg Posted: Aug 28 '08,  2:28 am           
Reviews written: 208
Member since: Jul 03 '06
Post: 199642
Make the 'fixes' easy to find, please!

Quote: befus
On about my fifth scroll through the HTML code, I saw that the editor had somehow placed a closing italic tag after a new paragraph break instead of before. Not sure how that happened, except that I had created an entire paragraph (with a quote from the book I was reviewing) in italics. Perhaps the necessity for the two tags in a row somehow confused the WYSIWYG editor?! At any rate, perhaps it will help others to know that the editor doesn't seem to be foolproof and that human editing might still be necessary to catch the "errors" it's throwing.

I was able to correct the error and finally post the review. But it does raise a question. Is it possible, I wonder, for the editor to *highlight* code errors, just as spellcheck highlights potential misspellings? In other words, when we get that general "you have an opening this without a closing that" message, we can actually go into the code and see the potential problem highlighted? That would be a huge help. Just curious to know if it's possible!


I had the problem with the HTML Code error when trying to post a review even though I used WYSIWYG, too (it kept telling me I had <b> without </b>). And there is no hint on how to fix it at the Members Center. Befus' solution (making sure that no <br/> inserted between <b> and </b> or <i> and </i>) works for me. And I second her suggestion about highlighting the bad codes, also).

So... seeing how long this thread is running and how the title of it doesn't really scream at anyone coming to the message board looking for clues on how to salvage their review due to the new WYSIWYG... can the engineer or the mod post the fix at member center and/or at the pinned 'Status' thread on the top of the board to make it easy for everyone to find, please?

Thanks,
Smorg
   
captaind Posted: Aug 28 '08,  4:55 am           
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moderator in Movies
Post: 199646
RE: Make the 'fixes' easy to find, please!

Quote: smorg
Befus' solution (making sure that no [br/] inserted between [b] and [/b] or [i] and [/i]) works for me. And I second her suggestion about highlighting the bad codes, also).


Hey, I thought I mentioned that first!! :-D

Is it only me, or does it seem to have reverted to the old method at the moment?

CaptainD
   
jps246 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:07 am           
Reviews written: 844
Member since: Jan 25 '01
moderator in Outdoor Gear, Sporting Goods
Post: 199649
fixing the HTML in a review...

Quote: ladyconsumer
I've been playing with the new editor, just to get a feel for it. For those of you experiencing the You have an opening ... without a closing ... error, it's pretty easy to see what's going on, if you hit the HTML edit button.

If line 1 is bolded, and line two isn't then what you want to see is this:

[b]line1[/b][br /][br /]line2

What you don't want to see is this:

[b]line1[br />[/b][br /]line2

See the difference... the line break is inside the bolding. That's really an error on the editor's part. And hopefully it'll be fixed.

The good news is that it's easy to fix this ourselves. You can use the HTML editor to move those symbols around, then hit "update". Or, you can use the highlight text and hit the bold button method but you have to be really careful to include only the text in your highlight, not the end of line character (the extra space at the end of the line). I've been playing with this for a while, and it seems to work.

Pretty? No. But at least it works.

I just wanted to bring this up again since it seems to have worked for my reviews last night.

I'm sure the more we work with it, that it'll get easier. Not only that, I'm sure with the feedback their getting, the engineers will be working on cleaning up the editor so it handles the HTML code ordering better.

Jeff
   
chelledun Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:18 am           
Reviews written: 1044
Member since: May 16 '03
moderator in Hotels & Travel
Post: 199650
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: ladyconsumer
I've been playing with the new editor, just to get a feel for it. For those of you experiencing the You have an opening ... without a closing ... error, it's pretty easy to see what's going on, if you hit the HTML edit button.

If line 1 is bolded, and line two isn't then what you want to see is this:

[b]line1[/b][br /][br /]line2

What you don't want to see is this:

[b]line1[br />[/b][br /]line2

See the difference... the line break is inside the bolding. That's really an error on the editor's part. And hopefully it'll be fixed.

The good news is that it's easy to fix this ourselves. You can use the HTML editor to move those symbols around, then hit "update". Or, you can use the highlight text and hit the bold button method but you have to be really careful to include only the text in your highlight, not the end of line character (the extra space at the end of the line). I've been playing with this for a while, and it seems to work.

Pretty? No. But at least it works.


eta: I've only played with typing directly into the form. I haven't played with cut & paste yet. That'll be tomorrow's task.



You ROCK. This fixed it. Yaaaaaaay!

Michelle
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:56 am (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  9:25 am)           
Reviews written: 626
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 199654
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: roheblius
I used both the bold and italics several times without fail.

I wish I could see the errors (well maybe not).



Garret, I'm curous, since you've not had any problem. When you say you've used both bold and italics, did you attempt to use them on multiple sequential lines? Because the editor appears to not handle that situation properly.

Even if you only attempt to highlight a single line, it's a bit difficult to avoid grabbing that end-of-line marker (the extra space).

Phrases inside of a single line should work flawlessly, though.

Just curious what you've been bolding/italicing (is that a word?).


As far as seeing someone else's error - there's no easy way to do it. But I'll repeat my offer. If anyone wants to send me their html code, I'll be happy to look at it.


Mona
   
scmrak Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:07 am           
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Post: 199659
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: ladyconsumer
...italicing (is that a word?)...
No: italicizing.
   
captaind Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:22 am           
Reviews written: 1053
Member since: Jan 19 '03
moderator in Movies
Post: 199661
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: scmrak
No: italicizing.


Or italicising if you're British! :-D
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:42 am           
Reviews written: 626
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 199665
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: scmrak
No: italicizing.



Oh. Right. That definitely looks better than mine.


Quote: captaind
Or italicising if you're British! :-D



That looks only slight better than mine. :-)

   
sleeper54 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:42 am           
Reviews written: 491
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 199666
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Quote: captaind
Or italicising if you're British! :-D

Phhhttttt..!!

. . . ...:moideringthemothertonguesmiliemoment:...



...tom...
.
   
jps246 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:51 am           
Reviews written: 844
Member since: Jan 25 '01
moderator in Outdoor Gear, Sporting Goods
Post: 199669
help thread

I started a new thread on the text editor with a clear "help" title figuring that it would be good to centralize the discussion and it would make it easier for others coming to the boards to find help on the issue. Maybe even get it pinned?

Jeff

   
ifif1938 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:59 am           
Reviews written: 799
Member since: Jan 17 '00
Post: 199672
RE: OK help out ol' pops, again

Please, nobody has addressed my issue about links in write-offs. When I get a new review for my write-off, what will happen? will I be able to add them? and how, then what happens if I click update on my w/o page to add the new review? I read somewhere on this tread that if you already have HTML codes in your review they won't be accepted until changed, is that true?

I am very unhappy about this and now am going to attempt to finish writing a review to post. I also have no intention of writing directly onto the eps page since I have issues about losing reviews that way.

Is this time for a revolt!

I can't help wonder why they go and do this to us when there are so many other things needing fixing on the site, why mess with something that worked well and didn't need fixing.

Barbara...I guess I may have to end my write-off if there is no solution and its been such fun to host with so many entrys....*sigh*..............

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