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| phungus |
Original Post: Sep 30 '09, 8:17 pm |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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An interesting case of plagiarism
On another site that I write for, we had an interesting plagiarism case that resulted in the writer being kicked off the site. This person had been a member of the site for many months and had written well over 100 articles and reviews which earned them more than $1,000 before they got caught. Here is what happened.
First, this person’s output was much like anyone else in that they reviewed about a game or two a week, and almost always it was something brand new. Their writing was decent and you could tell that English wasn’t their first language. I am an editor on this site, which means I have to proofread and sometimes make minor corrections to the writing, otherwise I can reject it if I feel it needs a serious do-over.
What happened was that in recent months, this writer’s output got to be extremely high, and they were reviewing tons of brand new games the moment they came out. The review would always be written as if they had completed the game, and it made the managing editor (sort of like the Category Lead here) of the gaming area a little wary. When the writer, who is a nerdy 20-something guy with no kids, started reviewing a bunch of children’s games, I think it finally set the main editor’s BS meter off and he started doing some thorough research.
What the editor found was that this writer was taking other reviews and rewriting them. Word for word, you probably wouldn’t be able to find any phrases of more than a few words long that would match, so the plagiarist was clever that way. Those of us who use the typical means of checking for cut-and-paste jobs would have found nothing. It was when the editor discovered that this writer was touching on the same exact points of interest in the same order as they appeared on other reviews that the trend finally emerged.
The content that this writer posted to that site was, technically, original in that it wasn’t a direct copy of someone else’s work. Instead, it was like a bad high schooler’s rewrite of something they found in a book. Once the editor knew which places the writer liked to steal content, it became obvious what was going on. That writer is no longer a member of the site, but the sad thing is that he managed to swindle a ton of money from the site before his scheme got discovered.
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| phungus |
Posted: Sep 30 '09, 8:21 pm |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
I might also add that, as far as I know, this is the first person caught on that site. |
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| Freak369 |
Posted: Sep 30 '09, 8:43 pm |
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Reviews written: 4670 Member since: Feb 05 '00
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... and ...
That happens here and not just with newbies. There are more than a few TR's and Advisors that do nothing more than crib information from outside reviews as well as ones that are posted here by Eps members. I love it when they slip up and accidentally leave a complete paragraph in place without making minor changes to it.
If you think that someone swindling a site out of a thousand or so dollars is bad then you probably don't want to think about how much money gets suckered out of the Automotive and Electronics section of Epinions with fake / bogus / contrived reviews. |
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| talyseon |
Posted: Sep 30 '09, 9:04 pm |
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Reviews written: 872 Member since: Jan 17 '08
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Sad, but true. While it is true that nothing is new under the sun, at least you should try to infuse your work with you. The part that confounds me is it sounds like he really put a lot of work into this, changing and constructing to create untraceable work. Heck, it would be simpler to start from scratch.
People is funny.
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| phungus |
Posted: Sep 30 '09, 9:08 pm |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: talyseon Sad, but true. While it is true that nothing is new under the sun, at least you should try to infuse your work with you. The part that confounds me is it sounds like he really put a lot of work into this, changing and constructing to create untraceable work. Heck, it would be simpler to start from scratch.
People is funny.
Talyseon
I know! The amount of time he put into reading and rewriting would have been better spent doing original content. It's just that he probably couldn't have come up with as many articles/reviews, so he wouldn't have made as much money. Basically, he got greedy - that's how a lot of people get busted. |
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| phungus |
Posted: Sep 30 '09, 9:10 pm |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: ... and ...
Quote: Freak369 That happens here and not just with newbies. There are more than a few TR's and Advisors that do nothing more than crib information from outside reviews as well as ones that are posted here by Eps members. I love it when they slip up and accidentally leave a complete paragraph in place without making minor changes to it.
If you think that someone swindling a site out of a thousand or so dollars is bad then you probably don't want to think about how much money gets suckered out of the Automotive and Electronics section of Epinions with fake / bogus / contrived reviews.
I can imagine this happens everywhere.
When they are rewriting, it makes it really hard to catch unless you make a project out of it. In the case of this site, I guess our managing editor has a lot of free time! |
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| yarrick |
Posted: Sep 30 '09, 11:53 pm |
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Reviews written: 73 Member since: May 03 '01
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Unfortunately it doesn't surprise me. Your lead should have contacted the places being plagiarized as well. While they may not have done anything perhaps some of that money would have been recovered. People seem to take for granted that they can get away with whatever on the internet. Apparently I'm writing in the wrong categories too as I haven't earned anywhere near $1000 for my reviews maybe a third of it if that. Although I am more addicted to the numbers of hits then the money the extra bit could help. |
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| kjell1979 |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 4:48 am |
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Reviews written: 288 Member since: Jul 30 '01
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
This seems pretty easy to do and it's hard to prove and catch. It's one of my worst nightmares because if that person hadn't slipped up and got greedy, he never would have been caught. Assuming he reviewed hot titles like GTA IV and Halo 3 just weeks after their release would never raise a red flag. Hey most people think those are great games, so why would he not play them and review them?
What sets off my BS meter is when someone writes a coherent and detailed review on a game that was released 24 hours prior. They clearly had to spend a few hours writing and proofreading the review due to the level of detail and polish and the review is filled with details you'd only know by playing the game for dozens of hours or so. So how can they have the game for only 24 hours, have time to play it enough to get that far, and write a coherent review filled with lots of details (assuming they stayed up all night playing it)?
I can also think of a few good ways of plagiarizing reviews which is next to impossible to catch unless you're the original author, but I'm not sharing because this is a public message board. It makes me very wary as a CL during selection time. |
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| phungus |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 5:15 am |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: yarrick Unfortunately it doesn't surprise me. Your lead should have contacted the places being plagiarized as well. While they may not have done anything perhaps some of that money would have been recovered. People seem to take for granted that they can get away with whatever on the internet. Apparently I'm writing in the wrong categories too as I haven't earned anywhere near $1000 for my reviews maybe a third of it if that. Although I am more addicted to the numbers of hits then the money the extra bit could help.
This did not happen here. I will ask if the editor contacted the other sites. Hopefully, with his account now deactivated, his content will also go away. |
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| toiletoctopus |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 5:38 am |
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Reviews written: 886 Member since: Sep 06 '04
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Phungus,
Good catch, and I wish anyone who engages in this form of theft, would be given the immediate boot.
Mike |
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| pvreditor |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 6:39 am |
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Reviews written: 405 Member since: May 31 '02
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
I found something like that here perhaps three or four years ago. A reasonably regarded long-time member had a car review that set my BS detector twitching, so I did some checking. What I found was that the review was re-written from a professional online review.
The original review had a phrase like, "With a quick shift into 4WD and low range, we dashed off in a cloud of dust." The Epinions review said something like, "I shifted quickly into 4WD and low range, and zoomed off trailing dust." If I saw just one or two of such similarities, I'd tell myself it was a strange coincidence. However, this review was filled with them, perhaps dozens of places where the Epinions review was obviously similar to the professional review.
I gave the review an NH and reported it, but the review was never pulled and the "author" never ticketed. In fact, the author denied copying the original, despite me quoting a couple of segments from each in a comment. This particular member hasn't contributed much for the past couple of years, so maybe s/he's moved on.
--Bob |
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| jenniferkateab |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 6:44 am |
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Reviews written: 194 Member since: Oct 22 '07
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: toiletoctopus Phungus,
Good catch, and I wish anyone who engages in this form of theft, would be given the immediate boot.
Mike
That's why peer review is so important for the integrity of a review site. We all get to know the different members here when we read and rate multiple reviews. By learning their personalities, we see patterns and traits that show the reviewer's character and writing style. I can't imagine someone plagiarizing all these reviews and having a consistent personality emerge by doing that. I would think it would set off red flags if this writer was being peer-reviewed on a regular basis (especially by the same peers).
That's my main concern for Shopping.com ~ so far, the peer review process is practically non-existent. I have read that the community and rating features will be improved before the roll-out ~ but right now, there are a lot of unrated reviews over there.
~Jennifer
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| phungus |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 6:58 am |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: jenniferkateab That's why peer review is so important for the integrity of a review site. We all get to know the different members here when we read and rate multiple reviews. By learning their personalities, we see patterns and traits that show the reviewer's character and writing style. I can't imagine someone plagiarizing all these reviews and having a consistent personality emerge by doing that. I would think it would set off red flags if this writer was being peer-reviewed on a regular basis (especially by the same peers).
~Jennifer
Interesting thing that you mention personalities. I actually edited quite a few of this writer's articles, but I never caught on to what he was doing. I did, however, notice an improvement in his writing over a period of several months. I sent him a short email just letting him know that I was seeing improvement and that I enjoyed his work and he didn't even acknowledged it. He replied with a question about something he was working on, and that was it. A couple of months later, this comes out. Maybe he thought I was onto him or something. |
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| phungus |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 6:59 am |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: toiletoctopus Phungus,
Good catch, and I wish anyone who engages in this form of theft, would be given the immediate boot.
Mike
I'd love to claim credit, but I was not the one to catch him. Quite a few of his stuff went past me and I didn't pick up on what he was doing. |
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| phungus |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 7:01 am |
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Reviews written: 2322 Member since: Aug 31 '99
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: pvreditor
I gave the review an NH and reported it, but the review was never pulled and the "author" never ticketed. In fact, the author denied copying the original, despite me quoting a couple of segments from each in a comment. This particular member hasn't contributed much for the past couple of years, so maybe s/he's moved on.
--Bob
In this case, if it is mainly a one-time thing they can always claim coincidence or even that they had read the review and perhaps it influenced their writing. It's hard to peg someone unless a pattern of behavior takes place. You'd have to start keeping up with everything that author posted on here. With the ratio of advisors:writers on most any site, it would take a lot of dedication to figure someone out. |
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| jenniferkateab |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 7:10 am (Updated: Oct 01 '09, 7:11 am) |
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Reviews written: 194 Member since: Oct 22 '07
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: phungus Interesting thing that you mention personalities. I actually edited quite a few of this writer's articles, but I never caught on to what he was doing. I did, however, notice an improvement in his writing over a period of several months. I sent him a short email just letting him know that I was seeing improvement and that I enjoyed his work and he didn't even acknowledged it. He replied with a question about something he was working on, and that was it. A couple of months later, this comes out. Maybe he thought I was onto him or something.
I don't read much, if anything, in the computer games category, and I'm wondering if it might be more difficult to catch plagiarism there because of the nature of the product. So, I can't really imagine what kind of personality a reviewer, who writes solely about computer games, might have... :)
I also wonder for every plagiarist I catch, how many I am also missing? Probably more than I think. ~jk |
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| talyseon |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 1:26 pm |
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Reviews written: 872 Member since: Jan 17 '08
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: jenniferkateab That's why peer review is so important for the integrity of a review site. We all get to know the different members here when we read and rate multiple reviews. By learning their personalities, we see patterns and traits that show the reviewer's character and writing style. I can't imagine someone plagiarizing all these reviews and having a consistent personality emerge by doing that. I would think it would set off red flags if this writer was being peer-reviewed on a regular basis (especially by the same peers).
As usual, you cut to the quick. That is one of the things that really sets Epinions apart. And we have a couple of sharp cookies on site that would have made good detectives.
The vast majority of my block list is plagerists; I can count the people I've blocked for other reasons on my thumbs!
Quote: jenniferkateab That's my main concern for Shopping.com ~ so far, the peer review process is practically non-existent. I have read that the community and rating features will be improved before the roll-out ~ but right now, there are a lot of unrated reviews over there.
~Jennifer
Which raises a valid concern, and one of the reasons I find little value in Shopping.com. I hope we won't merge into their format; ours is far superior; their engine might be better, but our interaction format is unique, and valuable.
Talyseon. |
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| kjell1979 |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 1:50 pm |
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Reviews written: 288 Member since: Jul 30 '01
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: talyseon As usual, you cut to the quick. That is one of the things that really sets Epinions apart. And we have a couple of sharp cookies on site that would have made good detectives.
This is why I don't want Freak to leave! She does such a fantastic job of finding the plagiarists before I can even read a review for the first time!
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| rgathright |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 4:06 pm |
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Reviews written: 255 Member since: Sep 19 '06
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
You are discussing allegations that in an online community are considered "Guilty until proven innocent".
Some of these members only make review submissions during 10 for 10.
Other members of this mindset will flood a category with music reviews that are promptly removed and identified.
I have been involved in these cases through my frequent community ratings and encourage these members to stop through frequent kind remarks.
However there is a dark side to all of this.
Some members innocently make review postings that may appear spam but careful observation proves otherwise.
Even worse some members of categories wait for these members to post so that they can stroke some remaining ego that they have left in their lives and accuse them religously of plagarism.
I went through this curmudgeon already this year.
At the end of my, clique based, pompus event, I received no apologies and continued harassment from the members who started the childish prank.
The point of this response is to make you realize that if you get this wrong it ultimately results in member disention.
I deeply hate those who were involved and use that emotion to make continue review submissions in the category.
While there are some people who do this for money others do this for the demonstration of technical writing skill.
All of this crunk that I have gone through has taken a potential Advisor/Category Lead/Top Reviewer down the road of hate.
I only participate here to anger my accusers now.
If you wish to make these allegations, please contact the member offsite and wait for a response.
Actions otherwise just show your immaturity and lack of respect for the human emotion.
~Reuben |
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| sleeper54 |
Posted: Oct 01 '09, 4:48 pm |
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Reviews written: 497 Member since: Feb 24 '01
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RE: An interesting case of plagiarism
Quote: rgathright --snip--
The point of this response is to make you realize that if you get this wrong it ultimately results in member disention.
I deeply hate those who were involved and use that emotion to make continue review submissions in the category.
--snip--
All of this crunk that I have gone through has taken a potential Advisor/Category Lead/Top Reviewer down the road of hate.
I only participate here to anger my accusers now.
If you wish to make these allegations, please contact the member offsite and wait for a response.
Actions otherwise just show your immaturity and lack of respect for the human emotion.
~Reuben
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Wow. As usual I am ignorant of the rip tide running under the relatively calm Epinions waters.
And no, I do not want to learn any particulars here.
I just wanted to state the the corporate side has long said let them handle charges of plagiarism. Simply rate the review on content and move along.
That different users heed or ignore that advice is not surprising. H3ll, I even do so occasionally myself.
But yeah, we all need to make sure we know what the heck we are doing when we accuse others of any level of plagiarism.
...tom...
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