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sanstanton Original Post: May 21 '05,  9:59 am           
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Word count

Is there an easy way to count the number of words in a review before it goes "express" or "regular?" I am planning to draft some reviews in Word or Word Perfect before I publish at this site. I can seem to find a way to get my programs to count for me, although it seems like something they ought to be able to do.

TIA,
Sandra

   
nc10 Posted: May 21 '05,  10:22 am (Updated: May 21 '05,  10:23 am)           
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RE: Word count

http://javascriptkit.com/script/script2/countwords.shtml

Recent (at least) versions of Word have word count tool.

   
Jellyn Posted: May 21 '05,  12:29 pm           
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RE: Word count

Notepad and Wordpad don't have word counters. However, there's a program called TextPad that does, if you like the no frills approach. It's shareware, free with nag screen. Also, if you use Unix/Linux, pico and emacs will do it for you, I'm pretty sure.

As stated above, MS Word will also do it. I don't think the version even has to be all that recent! It's most likely under Tools -> Word Count. (I'm using the Japanese version, so I'm guessing at the English version here.)


   
jo.com Posted: May 21 '05,  12:42 pm           
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RE: Word count

Quote: sanstanton
Is there an easy way to count the number of words in a review before it goes "express" or "regular?" I am planning to draft some reviews in Word or Word Perfect before I publish at this site. I can seem to find a way to get my programs to count for me, although it seems like something they ought to be able to do.

TIA,
Sandra

Hi Sandra: Under tools in Microsoft Word there is a word count option. You'll see tools next to format on the top. Hope this helps. jo
   
B_Campbell Posted: May 21 '05,  3:51 pm           
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RE: Word count

If you look closely at your hands, you'll see things called fingers. They can be used for counting.

If you take off your socks, you have toes too! They work great!

   
Jellyn Posted: May 21 '05,  6:01 pm           
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RE: Word count

I've tried using my fingers to count words, but they tend to stick and getallupmixedtogether.

   
sanstanton Posted: May 21 '05,  9:23 pm           
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Thanks

Thanks for your help!

   
lorace Posted: May 22 '05,  4:09 pm           
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RE: Thanks

Hi, in Word go to File, choose Properties, then Statistics.

Neat word count in there.

Lorace

   
germank106 Posted: May 22 '05,  8:05 pm           
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RE: Word count

Quote: sanstanton
Is there an easy way to count the number of words in a review before it goes "express" or "regular?" I am planning to draft some reviews in Word or Word Perfect before I publish at this site. I can seem to find a way to get my programs to count for me, although it seems like something they ought to be able to do.

TIA,
Sandra


I'm sure all the programs the others have suggested help, but I am a bit confused by your message. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but are you asking about the wordcount because you are worried that your reviews might be too short to count as regular reviews as opposed to express ones?

(i.e. if your wordcount is 198, will you then go back and add a few fillers to get it to over 200?)

I am not suggesting that this is what you are planning to do, just asking.

**Audrey
   
underdawg Posted: May 22 '05,  8:15 pm (Updated: May 22 '05,  8:16 pm)           
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RE: Word count

I did that filler thing once...and got a buncha SH's to show for it.

198 to 200 is easy. Just add a copyright thing or a "Thanks for reading". 100 to 200, now that's pretty hard.

Word count is a nice thing to know...maybe she wants to enter a Lean N Mean write off...anyways, if anyone is putting filler in their reviews, it shows to all but rubberstampers so nothing to worry about!

   
Jellyn Posted: May 22 '05,  8:22 pm           
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RE: Word count

Will updating an express review and adding enough words change it to a review? Don't you have to delete and try again? Is that wrong? Of course it's better if you think of something more you can say to make it longer as opposed to just tossing in a few words to pad it.

Certainly easier all around to get it over 200 before you post it.

I think it would be nice if the system would tell you the word count. Or perhaps show a message if you've written 190 or 195 words. 'You're one sentence away from a review rather than an express review. Care to revise?'

As it's devised now, it seems to favor Epinions over the reviewer. I'm sure more than one new reviewer or returning reviewer has been puzzled by the Express Review thing and the lack of IS from it. The fact that it's an Express Review and will earn no IS is not at all readily evident.

This assuming Epinions would rather see Express Reviews that they don't need to pay for.

   
drdevience Posted: May 22 '05,  8:44 pm           
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RE: Word count

Quote: Jellyn
Will updating an express review and adding enough words change it to a review? Don't you have to delete and try again? Is that wrong? Of course it's better if you think of something more you can say to make it longer as opposed to just tossing in a few words to pad it.


You must delete an express review and repost it to get it to be a regular review.


Doc
   
sleeper54 Posted: May 22 '05,  9:40 pm           
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RE: Word count

Quote: Jellyn
--snip--

I'm sure more than one new reviewer or returning reviewer has been puzzled by the Express Review thing and the lack of IS from it. The fact that it's an Express Review and will earn no IS is not at all readily evident.



Exactly. The site does nothing to warn/advise the writer of the two different formats. The new user most definitely will not know about it. Let alone the concept of 'visible' vs 'invisible', or the concept of rating, or the concept of commenting or . . .hell, just about everything. That's why they are called 'newbies' I guess.


Quote: Jellyn continued...

This assuming Epinions would rather see Express Reviews that they don't need to pay for.


Hadn't thought of that before. Kind of like a High School class. Need to have all the deadwood to buoy up the Valedictorians of the site. (To mix a metaphor . . ..)



...tom...
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PattyTherre Posted: May 23 '05,  12:32 am           
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Word Counts

It's a rare review that I have read that has been 201 words and been very helpful to me. I know some people are very good at getting everything in without the fluff (I try, I try. I am a writer. Every review is a little novel), but usually very short reviews are lacking info, IMO.

There are always exceptions to that of course, but if a review is so close to being an express review that you're not sure, I think a bit more research or information should be added (if needed) to make the review more complete.

Then again, what do I know, I can write 5000 words about a speck of dust...

Patty

   
germank106 Posted: May 23 '05,  6:42 am           
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RE: Word Counts

Quote: PattyTherre
...snip....
Then again, what do I know, I can write 5000 words about a speck of dust...

Patty


Patty,

has anyone noticed that you have a new picture? Much better than the dumbbell one. At least I'm not scared that you'll hit me over the head anytime soon ;-)

I wrote a review and somebody else did a word count and commented. It was over 5000 words. I never do a wordcount and I tried once to write an express review, but it still came out as a regular one, because it was way too long.

When will you post that "speck of dust" review? Hope I get that alert ;-)

BTW: Has anyone written the "Fruit Basket" review yet?

****Audrey
   
pearannoyed Posted: May 23 '05,  6:55 am           
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RE: Word Counts

Quote: PattyTherre
It's a rare review that I have read that has been 201 words and been very helpful to me.

Patty



I once read an express review that I would have given a VH if it had been a regular review. Once. Ever. I agree that it's very hard to convey enough helpful information in under 200 words on most products.

BTW - I also noticed your new pic and think it's ver nice... though I expect some of the guys will miss your pink top :)

Amy
   
dandj Posted: May 23 '05,  7:36 am           
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RE: Word Counts

Quote: germank106
Patty,

has anyone noticed that you have a new picture? Much better than the dumbbell one. At least I'm not scared that you'll hit me over the head anytime soon ;-)


I think it was the lack of pink that caught me eye and caused me to notice the picture change. This one looks great, although as Amy pointed out, the guys might miss the other one.

~Danielle~
   
pvreditor Posted: May 23 '05,  9:29 am (Updated: May 23 '05,  1:51 pm)           
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RE: Word Counts

Patty, I noticed your new picture and think it's excellent. [Insert tiger growl here.]

I'm one of those who had no idea that Epinions actually paid for reviews. I wrote three or four reviews, then noticed that a few pennies were somehow listed on my profile page and each review was credited with a portion of those pennies. After rattling around some, it finally dawned on me that the reviews actually earned money... I really had no idea!

I suspect that there are plenty of people writing express reviews who have no inkling that longer "regular" reviews earn money.

--Bob

   
Jellyn Posted: May 23 '05,  3:09 pm           
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RE: Word Counts

It can be difficult to know how many words you've written until you're involved in a regular activity where you're counting them. I know in my online classes, one professor wanted 500 words while another wanted 300 words. While still others didn't care how many words it was if you answered the question. While I prefer the latter method, some people just don't have a good concept of what enough information is unless you set them a minimum word count.

Unfortunately, while professors and teachers can make a judgement call if you haven't quite used enough words, but you've said all you need to say, Epinions has a hard and fast limit. Computers, what do they know?

   
Jellyn Posted: May 23 '05,  3:14 pm           
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Long Reviews Too Long?

Does a longer review make a better review? I know that if I'm looking at product reviews to research a product, I'll choose a shorter one if it looks well-written. I don't want to waste my time wading through specs or personal rambling when a shorter review can tell me what I want to know.

Do I care about BTUs and dimensions and pixels and wattage? Maybe, but I can usually find that elsewhere on my own, hopefully even on the product page.

Do I care that you bought this fluffy towel for your Aunt Milly who lives in Oakland with her two children and then nine months later the cat hacked up on it? Perhaps it makes for interesting reading, but is not very relevant to my purchase decision.

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