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gamblin_man Original Post: May 15 '06,  9:15 pm (Updated: May 15 '06,  9:24 pm)           Reply
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pvreditor Original Post: Aug 25 '04, 6:44 am

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Bathroom construction, continued

The incentive for building this bathroom was the visit of European relatives who were going to stay with me on August 11-17. When we first met with our contactor in early May, he said that the job would be done in a few weeks. I specifically mentioned the August 11 date and he was quite firm that the bathroom would be done well before that.

Fast forward to the July 20 and it was clear that work was being done so slowly that August 11 was now a forlorn hope. We fired the contractor and started completing the bathroom ourselves; I've detailed this in other notes in this forum.

Since our goal was to have a working bathroom by August 11, my wife and I put all our spare time into the bathroom from the end of July, right up until midnight on August 10. At that point, all the walls were painted, the ceramic tile (main floor and walls of the shower stall) was installed and grouted, the toilet was in and working, the sink was installed and functioning, and the big ceiling fixture (light, vent, heat) was installed, debugged and operating.

There was plenty more work to do and the shower wasn't yet usable, but the sink and toilet worked properly. The sink had a couple of minor leaks that have now stopped; such slow-sealing leaks are typical of my plumbing!

Perhaps the most important thing yet to be installed by August 11 was a door to the bathroom. We hung a temporary curtain for this job and installed the door a couple of days ago. A door for the shower stall is on order.

Beyond the shower door, there are still some important things to be done, including installation of a linen cabinet, trim work and things like towel bars and toilet-paper holder. But we do have a working second bathroom and it was at least partly usable during the visit from my foreign relatives. It was a big help having a second sink and toilet with company in the house.

The big thing that I take away from this is that I should have insisted on a completion date from my contractor, with a clause stating that the contract would be cancelled if work was not completed by that date. Although we had a clause saying we'd pay a bonus if the project was completed quickly, once the early date passed it was back the usual contractor stalling techniques. After we fired him, the contractor sent a somewhat hilarious letter to our attorney, among other things complaining that our contract did not have a "time is of the essence" clause. Of course it didn't; when we signed the contract on May 9, there was ample time for this relatively simple home improvement project -- as indicated by the contractor himself. Time wasn't of the essence until the contractor frittered it away.

Moral of the story: If a firm completion date is important to you, make sure it is in the contract.

--Bob

     
gamblin_man Posted: May 15 '06,  9:19 pm (Updated: May 15 '06,  9:27 pm)           Reply
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Steelfan Posted: Aug 25 '04, 8:10 am

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RE: Bathroom construction, continued

Hey Bob,

I'm glad that you got the bathroom in somewhat working order. Your experience is way too common with contractors today. They are always promising things that they can't do. Before we decided to go with our contractor for the sun room, I had asked a contractor friend of mine to give me an estimate. The problem was the guy never showed up for the estimate. Two times he gave me a solid time, and didn't come. I was upset at him, and told him point blank that he will never get another chance. I also gave him a bit of business advice, which he really didn't like. We are back on speaking terms now, but it was cold for quite sometime. Lessons are sometimes hard but once you learn them, you never make the same mistake twice. I have been in your shoes, and I know its not a good feeling. BTW this was an excellent post for this new board. While I didn't reply every time, I was checking back to look for your posts. Thanks for sharing this experience.

Kent

     
gamblin_man Posted: May 15 '06,  9:21 pm (Updated: May 15 '06,  9:27 pm)           Reply
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silvers4 Posted: Feb 24 '05, 6:49 am

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Oh no, not grohe

I, too, have been remodeling a bathroom. The key was taking my time, not doing too much on any one day. Funny, mistakes I made are easier to correct. You see things after resting for 8 hours you may have overlooked.

If only I had reconsidered Grohe products. I finished all of the masonry, tiling, etc. two months ago. I am still waiting for a part to replace a Grohe defective valve that is now behind a finished wall with expensive tile etc. on top of it. The part has been backordered for a month with no end in sight. Contacting and dealing with their customer service people makes the Postal Service look like God's little angels.

We are now going to spend close to $8,000 to destroy and rebuild a brand new bathroom. If you are considering a remodel, go with an American company that you can find someone home. Use grohe, don't say you haven't been warned.

     
gamblin_man Posted: May 15 '06,  9:22 pm (Updated: May 15 '06,  9:26 pm)           Reply
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pvreditor Posted: Feb 25 '05, 11:43 am

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RE: Oh no, not grohe

Interesting advice. We have an elaborate tile wall in the shower stall of our bathroom but the shower faucet is completely accessible through the front. The faucet (an American Standard, I think) came with a plastic template that clearly identifies the hole required for the faucet, so that we could run the tile up to that hole. No problems with my faucet so far, however.

In my case, I'd tear out the wall behind the shower stall before I'd rip out the tile in the shower. It would be much easier to repair things on the other side of the wall.

--Bob

     
lorace Posted: May 16 '06,  5:23 pm           Reply
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yippee! It works.

Thanks, Larry.

Lorace

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