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| jo.com |
Original Post: Sep 28 '06, 10:32 am |
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Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Category crossing with travel.
I know Parks cross categories but this is different. These are golf course hotel spas written as hotel reviews only with no mention of golfing. I'm really not sure if the whole resort should be in travel or it is ok under golf courses. (I did post this in the other board as well.)
This is the url of the category. I just rated two review OT and I'm not sure if they are or not. Thanks jo
http://www1.epinions.com/golf-Golf_Courses-Epi_Course_007895/display_~reviews |
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| cr01 |
Posted: Sep 28 '06, 1:29 pm |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Hi Jo
Thanks for raising this - it's yet another blurred topic area between two categories.
I've probably been a hot-head, but I've decided that I would set up another topic area in hotels and travel. I have posted a message to that effect on the most recently posted review in the "golf-course" topic area.
It's one of those situations where heads epinions lose, tails epinions lose! I can set up a new topic area and then risk confusing folk about where they should post their reviews, or I can leave it as one topic area and have half the reviews rated as O/T...
With hindsight, I probably should have consulted with my fellow co-leads, but I thought that while we debate, the reviewer might simply walk away...
I hope I haven't put anyone's noses out of joint!!
Thanks again for raising - good shout!
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| jo.com |
Posted: Sep 29 '06, 8:18 am |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Quote: cr01 Hi Jo
Thanks for raising this - it's yet another blurred topic area between two categories.
I've probably been a hot-head, but I've decided that I would set up another topic area in hotels and travel. I have posted a message to that effect on the most recently posted review in the "golf-course" topic area.
It's one of those situations where heads epinions lose, tails epinions lose! I can set up a new topic area and then risk confusing folk about where they should post their reviews, or I can leave it as one topic area and have half the reviews rated as O/T...
With hindsight, I probably should have consulted with my fellow co-leads, but I thought that while we debate, the reviewer might simply walk away...
I hope I haven't put anyone's noses out of joint!!
Thanks again for raising - good shout!
Chris
I appreciate your feedback and the nod that I'm not being too hard nosed about these reviews. I think if you set up a new topic area but they post in golf courses we can then at least direct them to the correct area to repost it. It has happened in the past and I've left a comment - sorry but this belongs in travel. After reading a couple in the last couple of days I thought I should do something about it:) jo
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| cr01 |
Posted: Sep 29 '06, 2:46 pm (Updated: Sep 29 '06, 2:46 pm) |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Your observations are much appreciated Jo.
Sorry I should have confirmed too... for what it's worth, I agreed with your rating!
Once I get the new hat selection work I still have pending out of the way, I'll drop a message to those CL's in outdoors, and see whether we can come up with a specific understanding about those "cross over" cases between us.
I'm currently working with Megu and Bruguru about where to post topics for restaurants on pleasure cruises...(thanks Suzanne for pointing that one out!) so I guess this issue is a variation on a theme!
Thanks again - I really appreciate your help for this newbie, Jo
Chris
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| mrkstvns |
Posted: Oct 03 '06, 7:33 am |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Quote: cr01 I'm currently working with Megu and Bruguru about where to post topics for restaurants on pleasure cruises...(thanks Suzanne for pointing that one out!) so I guess this issue is a variation on a theme!
Grooooaaaaannnnn....
As if it weren't bad enough that we get inundated with a gazillion reviews of insignificant little Disney carnival rides, now we're going to get insignificant details of cruise ships too...
Oh joy! (sarcasm dripping heavily)
I'd like to start reviewing public restrooms. And the ticket booths. And haircuts of employees...
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| chelledun |
Posted: Oct 03 '06, 4:20 pm (Updated: Oct 03 '06, 4:27 pm) |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Quote: mrkstvns Grooooaaaaannnnn....
As if it weren't bad enough that we get inundated with a gazillion reviews of insignificant little Disney carnival rides, now we're going to get insignificant details of cruise ships too...
Oh joy! (sarcasm dripping heavily)
I'd like to start reviewing public restrooms. And the ticket booths. And haircuts of employees...
Hey, but...they get hits! Customers are looking for them. I've gotten probably a dozen emails resulting from mine, some from folks who have then joined the site. When they find them, they might click other reviews or sponsor links. Isn't that what counts, at least from Epinions standpoint?
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| tch7 |
Posted: Oct 03 '06, 6:22 pm |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Quote: mrkstvns I'd like to start reviewing public restrooms.
New York is already in the database. |
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| mrkstvns |
Posted: Oct 04 '06, 8:29 am |
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Quote: chelledun Hey, but...they get hits! Customers are looking for them. I've gotten probably a dozen emails resulting from mine, some from folks who have then joined the site. When they find them, they might click other reviews or sponsor links. Isn't that what counts, at least from Epinions standpoint?
Simply because they exist and have gotten hits and have links to other places doesn't really mean they add anything to the site. They don't make the site better, IMHO. All they really do is lend legitimacy to the folks who point at Epinions as a site for windbags. Now I'm perfectly aware that I can bag some wind with the best of 'em, but I *try* to keep it focused on something that's relevant.
I'd propose that CLs should "just say no" to SAP requests for anything that can not or would not normally be purchased for itself. For destinations, that would mean no places that you can't consciously get to as a destination in its own right. So, if you have to pay admission to a museum or can just make a decision to go see it for itself, it's valid. But the individual exhibits within the museum would be rejected. Likewise, I would deprecate all Disney attraction topics, and I would reject all cruise ship restaurants etc. Unfortunately, that would mean my restroom topics should get set aside too, but such is life.
My point is just "keep it relevant".
I'm not quite sure why this seems to be such a tough concept in Travel. I don't see the Autos & Motorsports writers clamoring to add categories for "Gear Shift on 2006 Ford Focus" and I don't see Music writers clamoring for categories for "Liner Notes in Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run CD" (awesome as they may be).
I say "Just Say No!"
Let's get rid of insignificant categories and only have those for products/places/things that a consumer actually *CAN* choose independently.
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| mrkstvns |
Posted: Oct 04 '06, 8:44 am |
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Quote: tch7 New York is already in the database.
And there are over 100,000 public restrooms in New York, some of which I've actually "chosen" within the past few days. The possible SAP requests are endless...
But I think my first restroom review should be of the Mens room in a London pub called The Dove. It's a well-known pub in Hammersmith, with a wonderful deck overlooking the Thames. But it's the Men's rest room that really makes this pub a sightseeing wonder in its own right.
What makes the Dove's rest room so wonderful is that they've actually got a "penninsula of pee". It's truly amazing and delightful. A tiled pier extends a good 10 feet into a narrow room, lined with a built-in urinal trough along all three walls. Whip 'er out, let 'er roar --- north, east, or west --- it's all ripe for the wettin' (except south...aim it that way you'll be beaten to death by football hooligans, your body tossed in the Thames to float away with all the other urban refuse of a modern city).
Stay tuned for the next segment of this exciting series, in which I guarantee to totally gross you out by discussting the restroom at Restaurante "Amelia" in the beautiful seaside enclave of Rincon de Guayabitos...film at 11.
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| cr01 |
Posted: Oct 06 '06, 11:30 am |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Quote: mrkstvns Grooooaaaaannnnn....
As if it weren't bad enough that we get inundated with a gazillion reviews of insignificant little Disney carnival rides, now we're going to get insignificant details of cruise ships too...
Oh joy! (sarcasm dripping heavily)
I'd like to start reviewing public restrooms. And the ticket booths. And haircuts of employees...
Heh - I adore sarcasm Mark, so I had quite a chuckle over your comments lol
I need to apologise over my message - I didn't mean for it to be interpreted as you have.
The kind of cruise restaurant Megu and Bruguru might be adding will be of the kind where people get on the boat for a candlelit dinner while bobbing on the water, before returning back to their original destination. These sorts of restaurants have kind of fallen through the net. They certainly ain't Hotels and Travel, and as we speak aren't in restaurants either.
We have absolutely no plans to allow big cruise ship restaurants to be reviewed separately.
As for the Disney rides - hum, I'm two minded about whether they should form separate topic areas. On the one hand an individual ride can generate quite a lot of comment and be an attraction in its own right, on the other, yes, it's part of a bigger deal...
However, we are where we are, and I think it would be tricky for us to pop that genie back into the bottle all these years on!
Apologies again Mark - hope the old blood pressure ain't causing ya too much trouble lol
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| mrkstvns |
Posted: Oct 07 '06, 5:23 am |
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RE: Help needed in the Sports/Outdoor
Ah yeah, those things.
Could indeed be a tricky question. Some of 'em are just dinner cruises and pretty clearly "restaurants" while others do the dinners, but also sightseeing excursions (which would be more travel).
Too bad I won't have any excuse to ask for all those restroom categories now..
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