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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jun 22 '08, 11:59 pm |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
Quote: puckmugger They appear to be correct now.
Scott
Good news! Glad to hear it.
Let's see what else happens in the coming weeks and months.
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 23 '08, 5:32 am |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
Quote: popsrocks Let's see what else happens in the coming weeks and months.
I'm hoping that the hits start getting recorded soon.
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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jun 23 '08, 8:42 am |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
Quote: jps246 I'm hoping that the hits start getting recorded soon.
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Yes, some hits would be nice. |
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jun 23 '08, 3:04 pm |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
Strange that a tent review I posted last summer has the /review/ in it but has gatjher some hits, few but has gained $12. IS
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 24 '08, 5:21 am |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
Quote: popsrocks Strange that a tent review I posted last summer has the /review/ in it but has gatjher some hits, few but has gained $12. IS
There appear to be a few reviews with /review/ in them that are earning some hits (not mine!), as evidenced by the canoe review referenced earlier.
It's been my experience that anything with /review/ in it in the Sports and Outdoors category is dead if it's a product.
The only reviews that have seemed to continue earning hits are two advice pieces that I have. Otherwise, it's been pretty much zero since the end of April for everything and almost zero since the database merger.
Jeff
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| trailhound |
Posted: Jun 24 '08, 6:08 am |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
I looked through some of my Sports/Outdoors reviews too, and no new outside hits have been recorded yet. Another month down the drain? -Dave |
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 24 '08, 9:07 am |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
Quote: trailhound Another month down the drain?
Sadly, that appears to be the case
ugh
Jeff
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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jun 24 '08, 9:35 am |
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RE: No new outside hits yet
What a waste |
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| trailhound |
Posted: Jun 25 '08, 6:57 pm |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Someone who attended the Chicago Meet N Greet (sleeper54) said the follow was mentioned:
The plan to supplant the Epinions catalog with the Shopping dot com database/catalog, with a target completion date of Q1, 2009. Until then, the /review, search engine, etc. problems will all remain with the site through that transition period.
I haven't heard any official word, but if this is true the problem could be on-going for quite a while. -Dave |
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 4:58 am |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Quote: trailhound I haven't heard any official word, but if this is true the problem could be on-going for quite a while. -Dave
In that case, that sucks. |
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| morilla |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 7:18 am |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Someone on the General Boards took notice of the Top Earning Reviews in Sports & Outdoor Gear here:
Relevant Discussion
There seems to be little sympathy for the situation; i.e., some people seem to be making out (or, as one put it, 'hitting the jackpot') while others are, for all intents and purposes, having money taken right out of their pockets. While no one would, or should, blame those who are raking it in (it's just the luck of the draw insofar as the computers are actually working at the moment), I think those who are actually makin' it should probably realize that their current view of the 'world' ain't reality for most of us.
What really disturbs me at this point is that these cosmetic fixes (MPA/MPR/TER) are, in many ways, rubbing the noses of those most affected in it. It is painfully obvious that the hits are there and being generated by our reviews; IS amounts to those on the lists (note the dates of the reviews and the hit totals, then compare them to the hit totals we were getting on reviews that went 'dead'), Google placement of reviews without having to type 'epinions' in the search string, promises of going back and crediting prior hits during this period, et al. are evidence that the hits are there but just not being credited (not to mention fairly rewarded) to most, or many, of the authors in the category.
Now we're hearing rumors that the timetable for correcting the problem(s) is not just 'slipping,' but is likely to be pushed back to next year?! How long before this has a serious and negative impact on those 'vested' in the category vs. those who write here for a quick score and/or to flesh out their 10-block with the current 10-4-10? Do we just say "that sucks" and figure on putting our efforts into some other area that is 'working?' What does that portend for the category?
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 7:44 am |
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Quote: morilla I think those who are actually makin' it should probably realize that their current view of the 'world' ain't reality for most of us.
Try to get them to realize that...
Quote: morilla It is painfully obvious that the hits are there and being generated by our reviews...Google placement of reviews without having to type 'epinions' in the search string...are evidence that the hits are there but just not being credited (not to mention fairly rewarded) to most, or many, of the authors in the category.
Exactly.
I don't understand why it's acceptable for us to just "wait until it gets fixed" when some people have put a lot of time and effort in here and they are basically geting the shaft with the current situation.
Quote: morilla Now we're hearing rumors that the timetable for correcting the problem(s) is not just 'slipping,' but is likely to be pushed back to next year?! How long before this has a serious and negative impact on those 'vested' in the category vs. those who write here for a quick score and/or to flesh out their 10-block with the current 10-4-10?
It already has had a negative impact on all of us. Look at the postings in the Sports & Outdoors lately - do you see really anything from veteran writers? Not so much. I know I haven't written much in quite a while and I know others haven't written anything at all. Epinions is losing a number of quality writers with quality content and all they are getting in return is an almost limitless supply of 'not helpful' and 'somewhat helpful' reviews with little to no value from the 10-4-10.
Quote: morilla Do we just say "that sucks" and figure on putting our efforts into some other area that is 'working?'
I think a lot of people have broadened their horizons, not just via the site but elsewhere.
Quote: morilla What does that portend for the category?
I sure hope it survives with some vestiges of its former quality and glory.
Jeff
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 7:48 am |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
I've put up a thread on the main board in an attempt to get some information on the status of the fixes for the hit counts on reviews with /review/ in the URL since the rumor is that they are being pushed off until next year.
/review/ Reviews hit count status? |
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| puckmugger |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 8:04 am |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Well, it looks like I will be setting up a new website in the next few weeks and start migrating my hockey reviews there. It's a complete waste of time and effort to keep them here. Maybe if they get things fixed I will repost them here.
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| morilla |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 8:25 am |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Quote: jps246 I don't understand why it's acceptable for us to just "wait until it gets fixed" when some people have put a lot of time and effort in here and they are basically geting the shaft with the current situation...
It already has had a negative impact on all of us. Look at the postings in the Sports & Outdoors lately - do you see really anything from veteran writers?...
Epinions is losing a number of quality writers with quality content and all they are getting in return is an almost limitless supply of 'not helpful' and 'somewhat helpful' reviews with little to no value from the 10-4-10...
I think a lot of people have broadened their horizons, not just via the site but elsewhere...
Jeff
It's not 'acceptable' to the writers, but it seems to not be an issue for management (whatever level that may be). The trouble is that they see only the numbers. They don't perceive the lowered quality of reviews(again, being focused on the number of VH, H, et al. ratings) while we do because we actually read the reviews rather than look at the numbers. In the end, most have simply given up trying to 'hold the line' in terms of quality in that they either come across as a hardcase (w/ revenge ratings, ostracizing by the supposedly non-existent rating circles, or other negative results) or they simply assume, for better or worse, that this is the direction Epinions has chosen to pursue and are just going with the flow.
Acceptable? No way. But, it would seem that the company is not listening or doesn't care - offering largely cosmetic placebos or rewards while continuing to, as you say, 'shaft' many of those who brung 'em to the dance (and seem to still be doing so despite not receiving their fair share of 'recognition').
Problem? What's our only form of effective protest? As others have done and/or have threatened to, do we delete and repost our reviews somewhere else? Do we delete/repost/other those reviews that are obviously earning the site and others money (while no longer earning the reviewer a penny), engaging in the 10-4-10 by becoming part of the great unwashed and posting a plethora of mediocre reviews on innocuous products that would probably never see $1 of income share in their lifetime?
That would seem to be a self-defeating and self-fulfilling prophecy. What would the impact be to our status in the category; whether as a regular contributor or hatted participant. (Though the lack of credit and IS does bring into question the relevance of TR status in the category; with pursuit of the mediocre potentially leading to loss of the hat and our being told to 'earn' it back should things ever get fixed... despite the fact that we'd just be doing what Epinions seems to be paying for.)
So... Acceptable? No way. Our effective alternatives?
Uh....?????
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| morilla |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 8:28 am |
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Don't blame ya a bit.
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| jps246 |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 8:31 am (Updated: Jun 26 '08, 8:32 am) |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Quote: morilla So... Acceptable? No way. Our effective alternatives?
That's the real kicker.
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| morilla |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 8:43 am |
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RE: No new outside-Update?
Quote: jps246 That's the real kicker.
Unfortunately, I think those parts which are being kicked are getting a little sensitive about it. Now the question becomes: "What's your tolerance for pain?" |
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| popsrocks |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 6:04 pm |
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The latest word straight from the horses mouth!
This is contained in the link referred to earlier.
/review/ Reviews hit count status?[/quote]
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 5:13 pm
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RE: An update
All,
When we were asked this question at the meet and greet I told the group that we still targeting to fix this in June. So here is the update. We believe we have a fix for the income share and hits problems that were caused by the catalog migration in November. We're currently testing it and expect to have the fix out with the June Income share. We do not expect that Income Share will be out next week but rather the following week. After the fix is released you should see the hits on the reviews with /review/ format.
Re: /review/ format
This new url format is going to be more and more common as we migrate more categories to the shopping.com catalog. We do not expect to have these problems going forward with other categories.
Thanks,
Yoel
Sounds like good news to me!!
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| trailhound |
Posted: Jun 26 '08, 6:59 pm |
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RE: The latest word straight from the horses mouth!
Yes, that's good news. That's different from what they were told at the M n' G in Chicago, but perhaps the fix was not finalized at that time. I'll just take a wait and see approach for now.... -Dave |
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