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PattyTherre Posted: May 05 '05,  4:30 pm           Reply
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Post: 16753
Being fair

I think you guys are very generous in your ratings. I have written a few reviews in this area and you were always generous with me and I have seen your ratings elsewhere and your comments were always helpful and friendly even though not all people took them that way.

I do wish everyone would note the approximate price of a new piece of equipment because that is a big factor for many people. If something is average, I wouldn't mind trying it if it was also cheap and average but if it's expensive and average, that's a problem.

I think part of the problem with reviews in this area, and probably all areas, is that the reviewer assumes we know a lot about the item. And references to other reviews like "I disagree with the previous reviewer..." don't help a bit because the review order changes plus, you want to write a review that stands alone. I think if people would just assume there is no other review out there but their own and that people don't know much at all about the product and write from that perspective, there would be more really good reviews written.

Just an interested consumer's point of view...

And, how come you guys can post links here and we can't in the General area? Not that I mind or care, just wondering.

Patty

     
puckmugger Posted: May 05 '05,  7:45 pm           Reply
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RE: Being fair

Patty,
I agree that we are fair with the rates, but one of the questions that we've been hasing about is why we don't have the readership and authorship levels of other catagories in Sports and Outdoors.

I don't think that we are mean or anything. I just don't think I see as many comments in Sports and Outdoors to welcome people who don't often visit or are new. I think there is a little room for us all to extend the hand of welcome and make people excited to write in our little corner. I know that I can do better and thought it was a relevant suggestion for all of us.

As far as the posting of links goes, I'm not sure what you mean.

Scott

     
tch7 Posted: May 06 '05,  8:03 am (Updated: May 06 '05,  8:04 am)           Reply
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RE: Being fair

Quote: PattyTherre

And, how come you guys can post links here and we can't in the General area? Not that I mind or care, just wondering.

The links posted here and in some of the other subsections are to reviews by new/underappreciated members that could really use some ratings on their review to encourage them to stay at Epinions. Since every area on Epinions has a subsection on the message board, there's no reason to post those in the general area. Plus, the General area already has plenty of activity, so it's better to give some activity to these other neglected areas.

Quote: puckmugger
I just don't think I see as many comments in Sports and Outdoors to welcome people who don't often visit or are new.

I'm not sure I agree with you Scott. Books and Movies are two popular areas, yet I hardly ever see a welcoming comment in those areas. The only area I've noticed to be a little more welcoming than Sports & Outdoors is the female-dominated Kids & Family area.

Over the year and a half, Sports and Outdoors has actually seemingly made quite a few improvements. Getting Openroad as a CL has certainly been a part of that. The number of regular readers is definitely up, and the number of reviews flowing through also seems to have been on the rise. I don't have have any solid statistics to back up my claim, but that's what I've observed. It's been a slow progress, but I don't think you can expect any quick changes with this sort of thing.

As for the rating practices, I'd say they're fair overall.
     
PattyTherre Posted: May 06 '05,  4:39 pm (Updated: May 06 '05,  4:43 pm)           Reply
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Post: 16862
RE: Being fair

Quote: tch7
The links posted here and in some of the other subsections are to reviews by new/underappreciated members that could really use some ratings on their review to encourage them to stay at Epinions. Since every area on Epinions has a subsection on the message board, there's no reason to post those in the general area. Plus, the General area already has plenty of activity, so it's better to give some activity to these other neglected areas.


Thanks. I didn't know if the posting of links was banned from all the boards or just the General one and you answered my question.

I have to agree that openroad has been a very good CL and all the advisors in this area seem to be a heck of a lot nicer than some in "other" categories. But they also demand facts and quality, something that some newer members bristle at. However, there is always room for more general overall "niceness" and understanding in any category. Music and Electronics are the ones that scare me. *shudder* That is not to say the advisors and lead/s aren't helpful, I just don't think I can live up to the expectations of writing reviews regularly in those areas.

Patty

     
puckmugger Posted: May 09 '05,  7:36 am           Reply
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RE: Being fair

Quote: PattyTherre
I have to agree that openroad has been a very good CL and all the advisors in this area seem to be a heck of a lot nicer than some in "other" categories. But they also demand facts and quality, something that some newer members bristle at. However, there is always room for more general overall "niceness" and understanding in any category. Patty


That was pretty much the point that I was trying to make and now that I've had some time to think about it, I think you are right. We probably do a pretty good job at welcoming new writers. It's just been such a long time since I was one that I've lost perspective on that perhaps. Maybe I am an Evil genius (they are typically insane, right?).

Scott
     
trailhound Posted: May 09 '05,  1:28 pm           Reply
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Post: 17141
RE: Being fair

Quote: tch7
Over the year and a half, Sports and Outdoors has actually seemingly made quite a few improvements.


One thing I noticed is the database is missing a lot of products. Is it updated on a regular basis? We can't expect a new user to understand how to add a product. And of course the woeful search engine does not help. -Dave
     
tch7 Posted: May 10 '05,  2:34 pm (Updated: May 10 '05,  2:36 pm)           Reply
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Post: 17206
RE: Being fair

Quote: trailhound
One thing I noticed is the database is missing a lot of products. Is it updated on a regular basis?

If it is, then they certainly aren't very significant updates. Hopefully it'll see some improvements with the Year of the Catalogue.
     
jo.com Posted: May 12 '05,  10:00 am           Reply
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Post: 17309
RE: Being fair

Quote: puckmugger
Patty,
I agree that we are fair with the rates, but one of the questions that we've been hasing about is why we don't have the readership and authorship levels of other catagories in Sports and Outdoors.

I don't think that we are mean or anything. I just don't think I see as many comments in Sports and Outdoors to welcome people who don't often visit or are new. I think there is a little room for us all to extend the hand of welcome and make people excited to write in our little corner. I know that I can do better and thought it was a relevant suggestion for all of us.

As far as the posting of links goes, I'm not sure what you mean.

Scott


If I may interject on both you and Patty in one post. Thanks, Patty I hope we are fair. I try to be. Ok that's done. Re: a comment about the database being updated - well Abraham is a Saint when it comes to adding products. Of course if the BRAND isn't in the database he like everyone else can't add it.

Now you mentioned my pet peeve and that is readership. Of course this is my theory and since most of us are active I can't get too many people angry. My theory is that a lot of people on epinions are overweight (that wouldn't be unusual since we are a reflection of the US.) and even if they aren't do nothing active short of changing the channels on the remote control. I've been writing here too long to not have it glaring out at me. I am very lucky and thankful to have a lot of readers but why 100 in restaurants (food) and 70 on a treadmill? So my guess is that even those who read reviews of people on their WOT that they have no interest in- yeah, I admit it I read game reviews and have never seen one! How I rate it is just based on experience and other reviews - not reviewers!) DO NOT necessary read my fitness equipment reviews. I hate to put on my Social Worker hat but I think for many who know for their own health they should do something physical, reading about a simple tube that would make it so easy to move muscles, so inexpensive to buy, etc. is threatening to those who don't want to hear the word exercise. Jo YIKES - no rotten tomatoes. Luckily we can edit this. Am I being too harsh? It is just my opinion truly of why fewer reads in this category. Again that is for members. Certainly the non-members are looking for reviews.

Speaking of which - gosh my husband actually told me after 5 e-mails that I should charge a consultant's fee- a woman has been e-mailing me (nicely) but firmly for my recommendation of a treadmill or piece of cardio equipment. I gave her some - oh don't ask. Anyway certainly non-members are begging for reviews - at least they are begging me. This one told me she know I didn't "test drive" machines but she is buying one in the next 2 weeks so....:) jo
     
puckmugger Posted: May 17 '05,  9:56 am (Updated: May 17 '05,  10:06 am)           Reply
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RE: Being fair

Quote: jo.com
Am I being too harsh? It is just my opinion truly of why fewer reads in this category. Again that is for members. Certainly the non-members are looking for reviews.

Speaking of which - gosh my husband actually told me after 5 e-mails that I should charge a consultant's fee- a woman has been e-mailing me (nicely) but firmly for my recommendation of a treadmill or piece of cardio equipment. I gave her some - oh don't ask. Anyway certainly non-members are begging for reviews - at least they are begging me. This one told me she know I didn't "test drive" machines but she is buying one in the next 2 weeks so....:) jo


Jo,
I don't think you're being too harsh. It is a pretty good theory on why our readership is lower. It annoys me that I post a review of an iron and get better results for it than I do for a pair of skates. I know a heck of a lot more about skates than I do irons and vacuum cleaners!

I do think there are a lot of people who are sedentary for reasons beyond their control as well though. I know there are quite a few active epinionators with various ailments that keep them from being as active as they would like to be. In many cases it might just be a case of our little neck of the woods not being relevant (why read about skates and treadmills if you cannot walk, right?)

It's interesting that you mention the treadmill lady. I have had over 200 emails looking for advice on hockey gear. Most of them are people who I suspect are going to order skates online. Funny how despite the many times I've written about what a bad idea it is to buy skates without trying them on yet people who don't want to try on a pair email me for advice.

Ah well, we do our best. At least they are out there doing it I guess.

Lastly I do have to agree with Patty. In retrospect we are a pretty darn great bunch in Sports and Outdoors and as good at welcoming newcomers as anyone. The more remarks I read, the more obvious that is becoming.

Scott
     
jo.com Posted: May 19 '05,  11:17 am           Reply
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Post: 17939
Yes!

I got the chills reading this because I so agree. Do you notice that there is NO bickering in either of these categories - Sports or Outdoors? Why? Perhaps (here's another theory) people who are active are happier? I'm glad no one but us visits this board. I guess that's the upside to all this:) I'm lucky that I don't have to work. I basically on do training. I've almost entirely stopped subbing in the schools (though I have two jobs in June I already said yes to). I spend so much time in the gym. And I feel great. That's my priority (especially with this stupid autoimmune disorder that popped up 2 1/2 years ago) - I spent 3 hours yesterday - 3 classes! and 2 classes today. So it pays off and I come home and don't want to fight with anyone.

Or maybe it is because of our Lead. He's such a great guy. He's fair and if he has friends here it isn't apparent like some Leads. (I don't want to get myself in hot water here but the power trip some are on - advisors as well - is even being talked about on the general boards.)

I happened to look at a review (well I didn't happen to look at it I was putting the link in another one) and saw that 69 members had read it. That's one of the lowest numbers I've seen. It was on a treadmill. Luckily non-members read it or I would be discouraged that I'm wasting my time. You know what? For some strange reason I save my e-mails from readers. Or at least I recently started to. jo

     
puckmugger Posted: May 21 '05,  11:28 am           Reply
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Post: 18087
RE: Yes!

Quote: jo.com
You know what? For some strange reason I save my e-mails from readers. Or at least I recently started to. jo


Jo,
I started doing the same thing. I figured I could post them as "Dear Puckmugger" letters to help the general public. In fact, I might need to do that with a few of the more interesting ones soon.

The one that makes me laugh is several people addressed them to "Mr. Puckmugger." I replied to them, "Mr. Puckmugger is what people call my father, please call me Scott."

Scott
     
trailhound Posted: Aug 02 '05,  5:23 pm           Reply
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Post: 24329
RE: Being fair

Quote: jo.com
I am very lucky and thankful to have a lot of readers but why 100 in restaurants (food) and 70 on a treadmill-jo


I recently posted a Sports review and Restaurant review 24 hrs apart. One got about 55 member hits, the other 70. Guess which one got more? I'm not complaining, just noting I have experienced the same thing. -Dave
     
jo.com Posted: Aug 03 '05,  11:50 am           Reply
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Post: 24388
Well at least

I don't have to take it personally - not that I was. As I said (I think) I have this theory about many epinions members- not judging just observing thus keeping them away from fitness reviews. But the good news (though irons probably got many non member hits) is that non member hits seem to be higher on some products; not all of course.

I just found out that we won't have Internet access for the two weeks we are in Acadia National Park mid August. Well I hope I don't lose my hats due to two months of low activity (: jo

     
puckmugger Posted: Aug 18 '05,  8:34 am           Reply
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RE: Well at least

Quote: jo.com
I hope I don't lose my hats due to two months of low activity (: jo


Me either!

Scott
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