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Redlass Original Post: Sep 10 '06,  9:12 pm           Reply
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Finding yourself out of sympathy

Have you ever picked up a memoir or autobiography that you expected to really enjoy or at least find yourself agreeing with and then had the exact opposite experience?

Without getting into a huge political discussion or debate, let's just say that I'm a pretty dyed-in-the-wool liberal who isn't real thrilled with the war in Iraq. So when I started reading Cindy Sheehan's book, "Peace Mom" yesterday, I expected that I would enjoy it and would be cheering her on as well as sharing in a mother's tears.

Instead, two chapters in, I'm finding that I don't think I like the woman very much. In fact, I'm frequently raising my eyebrows and strongly disliking a lot of what she says.

This surprises me.

So I go back to my original question. Have any of you read a book by or about someone you thought you'd admire and ended up not caring for the person at all?

   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 10 '06,  10:36 pm           Reply
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--snip--

Instead, two chapters in, I'm finding that I don't think I like the woman very much. In fact, I'm frequently raising my eyebrows and strongly disliking a lot of what she says.

This surprises me.

So I go back to my original question. Have any of you read a book by or about someone you thought you'd admire and ended up not caring for the person at all?

Actually, I find your serendipitous observation more compelling than the direction you want the discussion to go.

But I will refrain from pushing the topic . . .'off-course'.



...tom...
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pearannoyed Posted: Sep 11 '06,  9:59 am           Reply
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I think I'm more likely to find I admire - or at least respect - someone I thought I wouldn't like at all than the other way around. Being a conservative leaning centerist, there are very few people on either end of the political spectrum that I genuinely admire.

I think I've also been jaded by too many experiences in 'real life' where someone I liked and respected turned out to have such vile thoughts about some issue that I think is important. I think the most common occurance there is conservatives and/or religious adherants who turn their beliefs into a reason to to display extreme racist attitudes. (note that I've seen that on the left as well, but some of the most eggregious examples are on the right)

   
panguitch Posted: Sep 11 '06,  3:43 pm           Reply
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I find all my relationships last longer if I enter them fully reconciled to the circumstance of being a far better person than my counterpart. Otherwise I just set myself up to be disappointed by them.

It's such a horrible feeling to disappoint someone, and I never want it to happen to anyone on my account. So I keep my expectations low, and every once in a while someone pleasantly exceeds them. And what a good feeling that is for them.

You've heard people say there's good in everyone. This is the secret to finding it.

-magnanimousAndy

who doesn't read political books (but loves Daniel Henninger) and doesn't really have anything to say about the topic but felt like running his mouth anyway

   
Redlass Posted: Sep 13 '06,  7:37 pm           Reply
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I don't mind if you take it off topic, Tom. I just didn't want to start too much of a political discussion--especially not when I'm only two chapters into the book.

Amy, I've had that in real life, but I've not had it so often in books. Usually there is an editor or someone who will help the writer put his/her best foot forward.

Andy, I have a friend who insists that what makes us interesting as people is that we're all flawed individuals. I've liked that attitude in part because by considering the flaw to be an "interesting" feature--something that makes the person someone I can learn from, I'm more accepting of them. I'm also less likely to try to put a fradulent "best foot" forward because I can also accept myself as a flawed individual.

   
panguitch Posted: Sep 14 '06,  8:40 am           Reply
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Andy, I have a friend who insists that what makes us interesting as people is that we're all flawed individuals. I've liked that attitude in part because by considering the flaw to be an "interesting" feature--something that makes the person someone I can learn from, I'm more accepting of them. I'm also less likely to try to put a fradulent "best foot" forward because I can also accept myself as a flawed individual.

You've proven the best way to shame a sarcastic person is with sincerity.

Thanks ;)

-Andy
   
Redlass Posted: Sep 14 '06,  9:31 am (Updated: Sep 14 '06,  9:33 am)           Reply
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Oh crap!
Man, I've got to take my sarcasm meter in for repair.

I'm sorry.

I'd say I didn't mean that the way it sounded--but now I'm not sure how I sounded. I really was just spouting off what your post made me think about. Honestly, it was the ramblings of someone being totally self-absorbed. I really wasn't thinking anything critical of you.

   
panguitch Posted: Sep 14 '06,  11:24 am           Reply
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Quote: Redlass
it was the ramblings of someone being totally self-absorbed.

So was mine. No wonder I wasn't making sense.

Quote: Redlass
Honestly, I really wasn't thinking anything critical of you.

I keep that job well covered on my own, thanks.

-Andy
   
sleeper54 Posted: Sep 14 '06,  4:20 pm           Reply
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Quote: Redlass
Oh crap!
Man, I've got to take my sarcasm meter in for repair.

I'm sorry.

--snip--

I had the _same_ reaction to his thoughts Bridgette..!

I thought that apparent mind-set rather matched his current stern user-pic.



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wychic Posted: May 25 '07,  7:11 am           Reply
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Steering back on course a little...

I have had similar experiences with Ohitika Woman by Mary Crow Dog (Mary Brave Bird) and Living to Tell the Tale by Gabriel Garcia Marquez but for two completely different reasons.

With Ohitika Woman it was as you've described, I ended up seriously disliking her incessant whining and ended up hitting myself over the head with the book after I'd finished as penance for wasting time on it.

Living to Tell the Tale had excellent content, but I found it horribly boring. I expected better from the renowned author of Love in the Time of Cholera, amongst others. However, as stated in my review of that book, I decided to call it bad translation into English and blame that instead

   
anderclayton Posted: Aug 31 '08,  12:32 am           Reply
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RE: Finding yourself out of sympathy

Quote: Redlass
Have you ever picked up a memoir or autobiography that you expected to really enjoy or at least find yourself agreeing with and then had the exact opposite experience?

Without getting into a huge political discussion or debate, let's just say that I'm a pretty dyed-in-the-wool liberal who isn't real thrilled with the war in Iraq. So when I started reading Cindy Sheehan's book, "Peace Mom" yesterday, I expected that I would enjoy it and would be cheering her on as well as sharing in a mother's tears.

Instead, two chapters in, I'm finding that I don't think I like the woman very much. In fact, I'm frequently raising my eyebrows and strongly disliking a lot of what she says.

This surprises me.

So I go back to my original question. Have any of you read a book by or about someone you thought you'd admire and ended up not caring for the person at all?


:) Totally not surprised about Sheehan. That has been my impression of her in general.

Honestly I have a bit of a love/hate relationship about autobiographies. I find them something of a dirty secret sort of thing. Ya know, like "I read Science Fiction, Fantasy and "*mumbling*" biographies" :) So essentially I'm going into them thinking that they are somewhat less than serious sort of thing. I've also read a fair few reasonably National Inquiresque sorts of biographies (read one on Dog the Bounty Hunter, one on Simon from American Idol...). Mostly people either I've no impression of (never had seen any of Dog's show prior to reading the biography) or that I've what I consider a good impression of.

Generally the biggest thing that has stopped me about biographies is that they are too scholarly. This doesn't mean that I haven't read scholarly biographies and even enjoyed them but...

The only biography sort of book that I really quit dead was a goofy sort of self absorbed release by Anne Coulter consisting of a bunch of her own quotes (and that was it). Stuff that crap. Again, hadn't really studied her all that much prior to reading it (still avoid watching her--same sort of deal). I can't say that it changed my opinion of her though. Essentially it gave me the same impression that I'd had of her. That she likes the spotlight and says things to be outrageous. Bleh. Maybe I'll find something has changed my mind about a person (or remember something) but nothing comes to mind right now.

Ander
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