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| millinocket |
Original Post: Jun 04 '06, 10:06 am |
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In Theaters/DVD glitch
Well, people, it seems to have returned. For a while I had hope as we were only getting one, actually searchable, listing per film, but there are now two listings for both "The Break Up" and "X-Men: The Last Stand" in the database, and only the DVD listing is coming up in general search.
For now, if there are two listings, please place your reviews in the category that reflects where you saw the film - the In Theaters one is usually the one that comes up in Google - even if it doesn't come up in internal search. If we only get a DVD listing - go ahead and post there.
Hear that sound? It's me, banging my head on the wall.
I've been reading elsewhere of people's frustration with this and I agree, but please don't stop writing in Movies because of it! Each time you come upon one of these double listings, please file a bug report and send it to me as well, so I can file it too.
I'll be emailing GG about this in about 30 seconds - will let you all know what I hear back.
Thanks everyone for your patience - I know this is a pain.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 12:28 pm |
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Hmm...
Great. From what happened last time through the In Movies section pretty much got smacked out of the search engine once. So if we see it in theaters we are supposed to be basically unavailable for the search engines to find? Seems a bit rough...
Aside from that, there wasn't an In Theaters section for the X-Men film when I posted my review so now you are advocating a bunch of new reviews in the new section, basically making all of the early reviews redundant and posted in the wrong section?
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| millinocket |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 1:09 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: anderclayton Great. From what happened last time through the In Movies section pretty much got smacked out of the search engine once. So if we see it in theaters we are supposed to be basically unavailable for the search engines to find? Seems a bit rough...
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here - at all. Can you clarify?
Quote: anderclayton Aside from that, there wasn't an In Theaters section for the X-Men film when I posted my review so now you are advocating a bunch of new reviews in the new section, basically making all of the early reviews redundant and posted in the wrong section?
You know what Ander? I'm doing the best I can in a completely untenable situation. What would you have me tell people? I was not told why we were only getting DVD listings, although I asked more than once. Thus I was left guessing as to whether it was a fluke or a new trend. I gave the only advice I could at the time, which was to post under the only available listing. Since there was only one listing, yes, it was appropriate to post there. Obviously. If there are two, people should post in the appropriate section.
Actually, because I'm really feeling snippy right now, I'll tell you exactly what I think. I think you're not helping. Leave your X-Men review where it is. The internal search will find it. Or move it if you feel like it. Either way is fine with me since the In Theaters designation was added so late.
I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm trying to help people figure out the best place to put their reviews in a system that thwarts me at every turn. If you have a better idea, let's hear it.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 9:02 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: millinocket I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here - at all. Can you clarify?
You know what Ander? I'm doing the best I can in a completely untenable situation. What would you have me tell people? I was not told why we were only getting DVD listings, although I asked more than once. Thus I was left guessing as to whether it was a fluke or a new trend. I gave the only advice I could at the time, which was to post under the only available listing. Since there was only one listing, yes, it was appropriate to post there. Obviously. If there are two, people should post in the appropriate section.
Actually, because I'm really feeling snippy right now, I'll tell you exactly what I think. I think you're not helping. Leave your X-Men review where it is. The internal search will find it. Or move it if you feel like it. Either way is fine with me since the In Theaters designation was added so late.
I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm trying to help people figure out the best place to put their reviews in a system that thwarts me at every turn. If you have a better idea, let's hear it.
Honestly I'm feeling a bit snippy also. Rather more than a little bit frustrated to tell you the truth. I just posted my first couple of reviews in almost a year (no I"m not pimping the dang things--am considering deleting them out of frustration actually) and now the [insert epithets here] system has decided to basically give me the "you're number one" on them.
No particular ire meant towards you and I'm sure you are just trying to be a nice person. I'm not blaming for the fact that Epinions seems to have decided the Movies category is redundant.
I'm aware I'm not being particularly helpful but hey, I'm not getting paid by the site or anything of that sort.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 9:51 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: millinocket You know what Ander? I'm doing the best I can in a completely untenable situation. What would you have me tell people?
Nothing. I'd prefer you tell them nothing. Right now you are advising people to post in an entirely new entry (or at least an essentially new entry) rather than the one that has umpteen posts already. Of the latest two film reviews I've posted, both have the new and improved (ya know, visible) entries (The Di Vinci Code has one too btw) with a few entries in them already.
While I'm not particularly worried that you yourself are going to change your ratings on me (feel free though, I honestly can't bring myself to care much at this point), that doesn't mean overzealous goofballs aren't going to do it anyhow, especially with some sort of prompting such as this. Having the multiple entries basically makes posting pretty pointless at some point or another so until it gets sorted out the whole category is pretty much toast (or half toasted? *shrug*). The entries are either not going to be merged properly or they are going to be merged after obsolescence.
Note that I am *not* blaming it on you. I'd be going batty myself if I were a CL with this sort of site (dis)interest in my category.
As someone that has an interest in reading stuff in the category, this isn't fun, isn't happy, and doesn't help me to find anything.
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| millinocket |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 10:13 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: anderclayton Nothing. I'd prefer you tell them nothing. Right now you are advising people to post in an entirely new entry (or at least an essentially new entry) rather than the one that has umpteen posts already. Of the latest two film reviews I've posted, both have the new and improved (ya know, visible) entries (The Di Vinci Code has one too btw) with a few entries in them already.
While I'm not particularly worried that you yourself are going to change your ratings on me (feel free though, I honestly can't bring myself to care much at this point), that doesn't mean overzealous goofballs aren't going to do it anyhow, especially with some sort of prompting such as this.
I can't tell people "nothing". It's my job to answer questions. This latest rash of late double entries takes the cake, and I am not prompting or encouraging anyone to change their ratings. I don't think anyone should. I am asking that people who post in DVD section for a movie that has an In Theater section available please move that review (as of this morning, there was all of one post in the DVD section for "The Break Up") - but am not asking that of anyone who posted on those movies before that listing became available.
I told people who asked when The Da Vinci Code came out only with a DVD listing to post there. I stand by that and don't think anyone should be rated down for doing so. And I think those reviews should stay put unless Eps moves them - with all their ratings and comments. I would also rather that people don't use the DVD section if an In Theater section is available.
It's a no win, and I don't have the option of sitting back and not responding to people's questions.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 10:29 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: millinocket
I told people who asked when The Da Vinci Code came out only with a DVD listing to post there. I stand by that and don't think anyone should be rated down for doing so. And I think those reviews should stay put unless Eps moves them - with all their ratings and comments. I would also rather that people don't use the DVD section if an In Theater section is available.
It's a no win, and I don't have the option of sitting back and not responding to people's questions.
Sure but you don't have to advise them to post in an entirely new entry. You can advise them as to what is happening I suppose but actually telling them to post somewhere isn't necessary.
Why should the marooned reviews stay put? You are essentially diverting hits from those reviews by your advice...
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| millinocket |
Posted: Jun 04 '06, 11:24 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: anderclayton Sure but you don't have to advise them to post in an entirely new entry. You can advise them as to what is happening I suppose but actually telling them to post somewhere isn't necessary.
When someone asks, "Where should I post my review?" I'm going to answer them with information that I think is correct at the time they ask the question. I don't read tea leaves in my spare time to try and figure out what new weirdness is going to crop up. And I'm not going to hedge every answer with some sort of disclaimer as to how my advice might somehow in the future in some way affect how many hits someone else's review might possibly get. How exactly is it not necessary to tell someone who asks where to post where I think they should post? Question - answer. That's what I'm here for.
And yes, I could give each person who asks a full history of this problem and where it stands at that precise moment in time. When you get a chance to type that up for me, I'll happily copy and paste the twenty page document into each and every email asking where someone should post a review. Don't forget to update it daily.
Quote: anderclayton Why should the marooned reviews stay put? You are essentially diverting hits from those reviews by your advice...
My point was that if you don't want to move it, you don't have to. No one should be downrating it because of where it is.
I'm not diverting hits from anyone to anywhere. I'm giving the best advice I can within the context of a messed up database. If you're concerned about your hits on that review, put it wherever you think it will get the most. I really truly do not care.
That title got royally messed up, along with a few others. If you think you need to move your review because you want more hits, do it. If you want to leave it where it is to maintain the rates it has, do that. If you want Eps to move it for you, ask them. |
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| pearannoyed |
Posted: Jun 05 '06, 7:57 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: anderclayton Note that I am *not* blaming it on you. I'd be going batty myself if I were a CL with this sort of site (dis)interest in my category.
Pardon me for interjecting here... I suspect it is actually the site's interest in the category that is causing some of the problems. Last year was the much touted 'year of the catalog' - but it didn't include the media categories. This is the year that the merge between SDC and Eps is supposed to happen for music, books and movies.
I can't speak for music, but both books and movies have experienced various problems. The movie problems you are aware of. In books almost nothing is actually being added by Muze so all the new listings are happening via SAP. (Maybe a more tenable situation than in movies, but still a PITA.)
Anyway, I for one am hopeful that the problems are evidence that things are happening behind the scenes to (eventually) make things better. Maybe my rose-colored glasses are showing, but I'm choosing to be optimistic in spite of the many frustrations we all face.
Just my $.02
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| dragonfire88 |
Posted: Jun 05 '06, 10:59 pm |
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RE: Hmm...
I have noticed lately with new books I get that none of them are showing up here. Or at least I can't find them.
I would think that the theater listings showing up again would be good and a sign that things are getting straightened out. Maybe I'm just being optimistic. It would be very nice for books and movie to get straightened out and for the serach to actually work in those areas consistently. |
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| drdevience |
Posted: Jun 07 '06, 10:15 am |
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Time Out
for the record...
I think Sue is doing one hella job with the mess she was given.
I really do not understand the problem here Ander. You are scared people will downrate you for having a review under DVDs? What kind of nonesense is that logic? They all get merged, it isn't OT... if anyone downrates for that reason, tell Sue and Shannon to make sure those idiots never get an ADV hat, I say.
As far as searchability goes, most hits come off Google anyway and google doesn't give a crap which the review comes under, DVD or In theaters. All the same to them.
Honestly, I'm going to be very unmoderator like and tell you point blank that you have had a bug up your *ss for the past few months and quite frankly the whining is becoming obnoxious.
Everyone knows that the movie section is hosed.
Everyone has griped to everyone about it. The CLs know it, Brisbane knows it... we all know it.
Offer viable solutions or move along.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 07 '06, 5:01 pm |
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RE: Time Out
Quote: drdevience
Honestly, I'm going to be very unmoderator like and tell you point blank that you have had a bug up your *ss for the past few months and quite frankly the whining is becoming obnoxious.
Now ban yourself and close the thread?
I don't really need the stress and I'd suggest that if you are supposed to be a moderator you probably don't need to be pulling these power plays.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 07 '06, 5:02 pm |
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RE: Time Out
Quote: drdevience for the record...
I think Sue is doing one hella job with the mess she was given.
I don't argue with this.
Ander
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 07 '06, 5:23 pm |
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RE: Time Out
Quote: drdevience for the record...
I think Sue is doing one hella job with the mess she was given.
I really do not understand the problem here Ander. You are scared people will downrate you for having a review under DVDs? What kind of nonesense is that logic? They all get merged, it isn't OT... if anyone downrates for that reason, tell Sue and Shannon to make sure those idiots never get an ADV hat, I say.
As far as searchability goes, most hits come off Google anyway and google doesn't give a crap which the review comes under, DVD or In theaters. All the same to them.
Honestly, I'm going to be very unmoderator like and tell you point blank that you have had a bug up your *ss for the past few months and quite frankly the whining is becoming obnoxious.
Everyone knows that the movie section is hosed.
Everyone has griped to everyone about it. The CLs know it, Brisbane knows it... we all know it.
Offer viable solutions or move along.
SnippyDoc
To be a bit less snippy...
I don't really come to Epinions for other categories (obviously you can't say the same).
What viable solutions are to be had when Brisbane (who doesn't seem to get the picture from the posts) seems to think that they have the problem fixed?
Hmmm. Perhaps that was rather snippy.
OK. Snip back on.
What the heck? You pull power plays in other threads and close them when the rules haven't been violated (no names were mentioned in the thread) and then you come back around and pull off a post like this?
...or don't close any number of posts where the person being discussed is patently obvious (someone comes in and says that they just rated someone, or someone rated them and boy is that person mean--obviously everyone goes and hits the offending person with whatever but nothing is said by the moderators?) I've been direct, talking about actions (generally) rather then people and you come off with this sort of crap.
Yay.
Do you *seriously* want me to reply in kind to your post?
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| drdevience |
Posted: Jun 08 '06, 12:06 am |
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I am not going to be backed into a position of self-defense of other threads. You don't like those threads being closed? Take it up with GG.
the problem here Ander is that you really don't want to discuss a thing or find ways to work with the problems until they're fixed. You want to cause a riot. You want people to join you in a bit of sit-in kinda thang.
I may get ticked off at Brisbane myself over a number of pet issues, but I will not allow the boards to become a recruitment center for a lynch mob.
You keep stirring the pot to generate a mob scene rather than trying to help a damn thing.
I am not going to argue with you further.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 08 '06, 5:52 am (Updated: Jun 08 '06, 6:00 am) |
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RE: Time Out
Quote: drdevience I am not going to be backed into a position of self-defense of other threads. You don't like those threads being closed? Take it up with GG.
the problem here Ander is that you really don't want to discuss a thing or find ways to work with the problems until they're fixed. You want to cause a riot. You want people to join you in a bit of sit-in kinda thang.
I may get ticked off at Brisbane myself over a number of pet issues, but I will not allow the boards to become a recruitment center for a lynch mob.
You keep stirring the pot to generate a mob scene rather than trying to help a damn thing.
I am not going to argue with you further.
ShortDoc
What in the heck are you talking about? I don't particularly want a mob scene. I'm not asking people to join me in any sort of anything. Millinocket actually asked people (granted it was dirrected at someone in particular but...) in another thread to come over here to input their dissatisfaction with the way things were going (different words, I'd be happy to find the quote if you'd rather though).
Please get off your high horse and stop the personal crap. No, launching another personal attack (with aspersions to my motives) and then doing the 'neener neener I'm not going to discuss it anymore' doesn't stop it from becoming less of a personal 'thang'. Obviously as a nonmoderator I have no real recourse but to be your punching bag here so what is the point of having moderators? Don't Engage in Personal Attacks. seems to be one of the few rules stated specifically by the management. Not giving links to reviews, mentioning people by name, or other things (aside from no spamming and infringing copyright). Those things actually aren't mentioned.
Is the boards not the place to put your opinions (positive or negative) about the site if you are a regular sort of member?
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 08 '06, 6:20 am |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: pearannoyed Pardon me for interjecting here... I suspect it is actually the site's interest in the category that is causing some of the problems. Last year was the much touted 'year of the catalog' - but it didn't include the media categories. This is the year that the merge between SDC and Eps is supposed to happen for music, books and movies.
I can't speak for music, but both books and movies have experienced various problems. The movie problems you are aware of. In books almost nothing is actually being added by Muze so all the new listings are happening via SAP. (Maybe a more tenable situation than in movies, but still a PITA.)
Anyway, I for one am hopeful that the problems are evidence that things are happening behind the scenes to (eventually) make things better. Maybe my rose-colored glasses are showing, but I'm choosing to be optimistic in spite of the many frustrations we all face.
Just my $.02
Amy
SDC? I've no clue what that abbreviation means. No real clue about a merger with anybody but Ebay (which didn't seem to do much for media). Please fill me in on that one.
Honestly I hope things get straightened out too. I don't really care about categories other than Movies to some degree (no offense intended--I stopped trying to read Book reviews when they shut off the Fantasy/SF Just In).
The trick with that is that they need to do something in the meantime if they are straightening things out. They definitely aren't announcing any real benefits (positive changes to the media category) to the population at large and the Movies category at least is suffering from the attrition linked to that. Sure a certain amount of the people in positions of authority/privilege/whatnot are going to coast along and stick with things longer than others but even there people seem to be tailing off a bit.
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| drdevience |
Posted: Jun 08 '06, 6:29 am |
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Is the boards not the place to put your opinions (positive or negative) about the site if you are a regular sort of member?
Ander
Yes.
They are not the place to come in and start ragging on the ONE person in a position to actually do anything about it. The ONE person who is currently pulling her hair out trying to get things fixed.
Give her ideas on how to help... don't start yelling at her on how she should answer questions to satisfy your ego.
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 08 '06, 6:37 am |
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RE: Hmm...
Quote: millinocket When someone asks, "Where should I post my review?" I'm going to answer them with information that I think is correct at the time they ask the question. I don't read tea leaves in my spare time to try and figure out what new weirdness is going to crop up. And I'm not going to hedge every answer with some sort of disclaimer as to how my advice might somehow in the future in some way affect how many hits someone else's review might possibly get. How exactly is it not necessary to tell someone who asks where to post where I think they should post? Question - answer. That's what I'm here for.
*raises an eyebrow* Did you not start this thread? I suppose other people might have asked the question to you through e-mails but it seems like you are going a bit further than answering questions when starting a thread.
Perhaps I should have stated the 'hits' comment a bit differently. Maybe 'reads' would have been a bit more what I was irked about.
My point (yeah I had one, in spite of appearances) was that getting proactive and giving advice rather than simply reporting updated information goes a bit far (in my opinion obviously) when you don't yet know what is happening. Now for all I know, you have gotten an update from Epinions about the issue (you yourself did say that you hadn't been informed about things) but from where I'm sitting the categories haven't been merged yet so it isn't resolved.
On the other hand, Garrett seems to think that it has. If so, perhaps the other reviews in the stranded sections might be merged by hand somehow. Simply directing new reviewers to the 'fixed' sections doesn't really help the people that have already posted. Indeed, like I said (however inarticulately I may have done it), it only serves to drive people away from their reviews (or at least to not direct people into the rather large pool of people that have posted already).
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| anderclayton |
Posted: Jun 08 '06, 6:53 am |
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Quote: drdevience Yes.
They are not the place to come in and start ragging on the ONE person in a position to actually do anything about it. The ONE person who is currently pulling her hair out trying to get things fixed.
Give her ideas on how to help... don't start yelling at her on how she should answer questions to satisfy your ego.
Doc
Ma'am, it had nothing to do with my ego. I was simply ticked off because I'd posted reviews that were affected by her advice. If she is in a position to do something about it (from what she has stated, it doesn't seem that she is--she doesn't seem to have a lot of affect on tbtb) then that is the way she should go with it (which seems to be an idea on how to help, does it not?) rather than simply telling people to bear it and not to post with everyone else.
There isn't really anything anyone can do to actually help with 'bugs' (features?) like this aside from hoping that they get fixed (and hopefully voicing some frustrating might move things up the queue a bit--they seem to take their sweet time on things).
Am I trying to rally the masses or some such crap with that? Nah. I was legitimately mad about my own reviews being left out in the cold.
Was I being particularly reasonable/constructive/whatnot about it? Perhaps not. Why should I have to be? I'd a personal stake in the issue so it wasn't like I was rabble rousing with my comments. I was the rabble and didn't pretend to be otherwise. I didn't make any sort of impassioned plea to join me, I didn't try to incite. Indeed I was actually pretty dang incoherent at first.
Have I been out of sorts for the last while about the site? Well, since the category started going to pot sure I have. I like reading Movies when it is running well so have a personal stake in the category.
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