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cntaur5 Original Post: Feb 22 '07,  5:48 pm           Reply
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hip-hop art or poison?

After watching Paula Zahn's special on CNN titled, "hip-hop art or poison" and listening to the radio debates, and the chit-chat at the water cooler, I thought I would bring this discussion to the Eps music community. What do you think? Is hip-hop music art or poison?

   
kazembe1 Posted: Mar 06 '07,  7:54 am           Reply
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Hip Hop is art.

The problem is not hip-hop. That is merely the beginning of the analysis. The problem is B-A-L-A-N-C-E.

That is, on the radio, tv, videos. In hip-hop there is NO balance. The station managers, A&R people, and producers promote and glorify certain songs and artists over others because they figure it will sell. Their signature cop out line is that "well, that's what the people want to hear." which is bull.

Things would be different if there was balance. Heads need to see/hear KRS-ONE, Afu Ra, Jurassic 5, and Talib Kweli just as much as other artists. If there was more balance in how the music was presented, there'd be no need to question if hip hop is art or poison.

   
trey_stone Posted: Apr 08 '07,  7:38 pm           Reply
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i gotta disagree with that somewhat. a lot of underground/conscious artists don't really make a serious attempt to balance commercial appeal with artistry, and wouldn't be able to get radio play if they tried. in that sense, a lotta people _would_ prefer the stuff on the radio now to the other artists.

exceptions would include (the obvious) Kanye West, and to an extent Common and Kweli. however, if underground artists really wanna complain 'bout the state of hip hop, they've gotta be a little savvier about their production, and what they rhyme about -- as in, conscious lyricism's one thing, but most people don't wanna hear overbearing political stuff. myself included.

i also think people gotta stop writing off certain mainstream acts as talentless and pandering to the lowest common denominator. some of 'em, for sure. but take T.I. for instance. yes, he raps from a "street" perspective, but there's a smoothness and confidence in his style that i think a lotta other rappers lack. in that sense, i really don't think he's that different from a Biggie or a Jay-Z -- not speaking on skills, but his appeal. i don't think everyone who listens to stuff like that are always people who just think it's cool he raps about drugs or whatnot, there's more to it.

   
bevans28 Posted: May 22 '08,  8:02 pm           Reply
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so i disagree with you on the underground rap scene, look at wu tang they are the biggest rap group ever, necro, non-phixon,krs one,boot camp clik,tupac was underground for a while , they are complaining cuz a rapper with lyrics as bad as(Lil mama had a swag like mine,She even wear her hair
Down her back like mine,I make her feel right,When its wrong like lyin'Man.She ain't never had a love like mine) -lil wayne .....can be compared to ( It's something about knowing my mother is still working,And it's certain that her back hurting, and it'll probably worsen'That lengthens my hustle, strengthens my struggle,Stacking up dough until the banks are in trouble)Apathy... Now the lyricism and flow is way beettter ..in underground, im sure they want a phat check like lil wayne ..but woud yu rather do it for the love or do it for the fame, did not mean for that to rhyme lol.. those rappers are complaining cuz now adays its rare to not hear a crunk beat and that same lame choppy flow ..im sure they want the money too, but rap is nothin compared to in the 90s ne more..

   
bevans28 Posted: May 22 '08,  8:02 pm           Reply
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oyea its a art .lol

   
abrocks22 Posted: Jul 01 '08,  4:46 pm           Reply
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hiphop is a art and still alive

most def art....hiphop was my first love...hell it's in my ear as we speak...it gets a lot of crap because of the mainstream trash thats being pushed and drill in the publics mind...but true hiphop respect their craft and the artistry of the genre which can be defended by their lyrical content.

- true hiphop is not dead-

   
ndoki53 Posted: Jul 17 '08,  7:29 am           Reply
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Hip-Hop

The hip-hop culture has devastated our young Black youth. Reading, writing, and thinking are no longer priorities. While the hip-hop "performers" are getting theirs, they have contributed little to nothing to nurturing young Black men and women to grow up to become dignified adults. Any contributions that hip-hop has made has been negative: women are demeaned; women dress like prostitutes; hip-hop is so angry that our youth rarely smile anymore. Many young Black men's chances of getting a decent job is diminished because he has been raised "hip-hop" and knows no other way to act or speak. I have traveled the world and I tell you, the developed world is laughing at us. They view us as unintelligent, ignorant, and violent by nature. Many of us give the world plenty of fodder to perpetuate that view. Sadly, hip-hop has poisoned the Black race. I am saddened by the Youtube videos showing Black men and women "ghetto" fighting like animals. I am more saddened by Black on Black crime. We cannot blame this on White folks. Hip-hop has sold us all out.

   
pvreditor Posted: Jul 17 '08,  7:45 am (Updated: Jul 17 '08,  7:46 am)           Reply
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Quote: ndoki53
The hip-hop culture has devastated our young Black youth. Reading, writing, and thinking are no longer priorities. While the hip-hop "performers" are getting theirs, they have contributed little to nothing to nurturing young Black men and women to grow up to become dignified adults. Any contributions that hip-hop has made has been negative: women are demeaned; women dress like prostitutes; hip-hop is so angry that our youth rarely smile anymore. Many young Black men's chances of getting a decent job is diminished because he has been raised "hip-hop" and knows no other way to act or speak. I have traveled the world and I tell you, the developed world is laughing at us. They view us as unintelligent, ignorant, and violent by nature. Many of us give the world plenty of fodder to perpetuate that view. Sadly, hip-hop has poisoned the Black race. I am saddened by the Youtube videos showing Black men and women "ghetto" fighting like animals. I am more saddened by Black on Black crime. We cannot blame this on White folks. Hip-hop has sold us all out.

Very interesting... thank you for the thoughtful perspective.

--Bob
   
dboi36 Posted: Feb 20 '09,  11:38 am           Reply
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hip-hop is not poisoning to minds

D-Boi
Is Hip-Hop art or poison
Is hip-hop art or poison? I say its art others may say its poison to minds but I’m going to prove otherwise. The first topic is about the artist themselves, the second is about the community, the third is not all hip-hop is a bad influence, and the last paragraph is what you as the reader think.
The artist in hip-hop come from these types of background they speak of. I don’t blame them on their life because everyone lives theirs differently. For instants if you need a job but cant get one because you’re a felon, or in better cases because know one wants to hire you due to the fact you are different from the company, or they just look over your application because you don’t have enough background experience, what would you do as an individual? You can’t blame the artist for trying to feed their families because they need food on the table just as others. Now that they are major stars I can say I bet they don’t do what they used to do because their being looked upon by the media and critics. They are now taking care of their families in a legit way and telling their life stories. Not everyone grows up in a stabled house hold were the mom and the dad are both working or even have money put up in the bank due to savings or their grandparents leaving them money. “You can’t expect me to think like you because I didn’t grow up like you” (quote from artist T.I.) Is a quote that I took interest in. Everyone grow up in their surroundings and pick up what they wont to take in, and leave out what they wont to leave out. Just like you as the reader take what you wont out of this, and say if it’s relevant or not.
In people communities they grow up with the mentality they learned even if it’s from a relative or an associate that they looked up to. People preach what they know, take me for example; I preach that everyone is different but some may have similarities in some aspects. As a young man growing up in a hip-hop artist perspective I know hip-hop isn’t doing the damage to the streets, it’s the people that stay in the streets that already picked up, what they wanted, and left out what they didn’t. Hip-Hop is just a relater just as any other music genre. To me it’s just like me saying people who listen to heavy metal, automatically jump around shaking their heads and trash hotel rooms, but that would be stereotypical.
Not all hip-hop is a bad influence. Take 2pacs “dear momma” for example. He told the life story of his mother and himself meaning no harm to the media or peoples ears. What he had to go threw to get to were he was, and how thankful he is to have her as his mother. Another example would be The Notorious B.I.G. song entitled biggy. He told what he was doing and how he was living then at that moment. Rap artist create lyrics that the youth relate to, not to get things stirred up. If they talk about drugs, that’s what they lived with or around. If they talk about females, that’s how they interoperate what they know.
In conclusion hip-hop is a state of art put into what they know. After reading this text what do you think about hip-hop? If hip-hop is poison, then so are people lives. Everyone have their own point of view being that “if you didn’t grow up like them how could you judge them.” I say its discrimination on the youth to say hip-hop is poisoning to minds.

   
shopaholic_man Posted: Feb 20 '09,  1:18 pm (Updated: Feb 20 '09,  1:29 pm)           Reply
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RE: hip-hop is not poisoning to minds

Quote: dboi36
D-Boi
Is Hip-Hop Art or Poison?

Is hip-hop art or poison? I say it's art. Others may say it's poison to minds but I’m going to prove otherwise. The first topic is about the artist themselves, the second is about the community, the third is about whether or not all hip-hop is a bad influence, and the last paragraph is about what you as the reader think.

The artists in hip-hop come from the types of background they speak of. I don’t blame them for their life because everyone lives their lives differently. For instance, if you need a job but can't get one because you’re a felon, or because no one wants to hire you because you are different from the company, or because you don’t have enough experience; what would you do as an individual? You can’t blame the artist for trying to feed their families because they need food on the table just as others. Now that they are major stars I bet they don’t do what they used to do because they're being looked upon by the media and critics. They are now taking care of their families in a legitimate way and telling their life stories. Not everyone grows up in a stable house hold in which the parents are both working and have a savings account. “You can’t expect me to think like you because I didn’t grow up like you” (quote from artist T.I.) is a quote that I took interest in. Everyone grows up in their surroundings and picks up what they want to take in, and leave out what they want to leave out. Just like you as the reader take what you want out of this, and say if it’s relevant or not.

In communities, people grow up with the mentality they learned even if it’s from a relative or an associate that they looked up to. People preach what they know; take me for example; I preach that everyone is different but some may have similarities in some aspects. As a young man growing up in a hip-hop artist perspective I know hip-hop isn’t doing the damage to the streets, it’s the people that stay in the streets that already picked up what they wanted, and left out what they didn’t. Hip-Hop is just a relater just as any other music genre. To me it’s just like me saying people who listen to heavy metal, automatically jump around shaking their heads and trash hotel rooms, but that would be stereotypical.

Not all hip-hop is a bad influence. Take 2pacs “dear momma” for example. He told the life story of his mother and himself meaning no harm to the media or peoples ears. He describes what he had to go through to get to where he was, and how thankful he is to have her as his mother. Another example would be The Notorious B.I.G. song entitled "biggy". He told what he was doing and how he was living then at that moment. Rap artist create lyrics that the youth relate to, not to get things stirred up. If they talk about drugs, that’s what they lived with or around. If they talk about females, that’s how they interpret what they know.

In conclusion hip-hop is a state of art put into what they know. After reading this text what do you think about hip-hop? If hip-hop is poison, then so are peoples lives. Everyone has their own point of view being that “if you didn’t grow up like them how could you judge them.” I say it's discrimination against youth to say hip-hop is poisoning to minds.*


Interesting points.

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