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Building Fences and Gates
by snpmurray | Jun 15 '04
Pros: Good for helping pick the right project and make plans for starting it
Cons: I think you'll need more detail than you find here....some major lessons are missing.
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Re: ......... (Reply to this comment)
by snpmurray
hehehe
Now THAT is praise!!!!
hahah!!!
Thanks man!
Sean
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Jun 18 '04
4:16 pm PDT
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......... (Reply to this comment)
by Vormancian
See, this is the sort of review I really love, because I couldn't have less interest in building a fence, but it's still very readable.
Cheers.
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Jun 18 '04
11:23 am PDT
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Re: a pile of dingo's kidneys?? (Reply to this comment)
by snpmurray
A douglas adams quote. I think he was English.
:)
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Jun 16 '04
12:38 am PDT
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a pile of dingo's kidneys?? (Reply to this comment)
by jankp
Are you Australian? Sounds like something Smithswoodside would say! :-)
Jan
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Jun 15 '04
10:25 pm PDT
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Re: Re: I'm sorry, Sean - (Reply to this comment)
by scmrak,  in Books
Hmmmmmm, if you need to keep that horse (in your profile photo) corralled, then you might well need more firmly-planted posts.
There are probably better books out there, but virtually all of them are aimed at ornamental fencing (the pretty pictures of verdant fenced yards you mentioned). The home-projects book that Home Depot sells has, IIRC, a pretty good section on fences. If you're keeping livestock fenced, that's whole 'nother ballgame, which usually involved driven steel "T" posts and strands of wire - topics usually learned on the job (with lots of calluses).
Enjoy!
rex
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Jun 15 '04
9:00 am PDT
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Re: I'm sorry, Sean - (Reply to this comment)
by snpmurray
All duly noted....475 feet of five foot chain link with a sixteen foot slider and a people gate.
Actually the worst part of this job will be the rocks. May it pass quickly.
Cheers!
Sean
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Jun 15 '04
7:21 am PDT
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I'm sorry, Sean - (Reply to this comment)
by scmrak, in Books
what do you need four or five tons of concrete for? It takes about 2/3 of an 80-pound bag of Sakrete (or whatever the store brand) for one post, and you don't need to sink every post in concrete - I just built 300 feet of fence with four gates (including a double-swing), and it took less than 20 sacks to set the posts. If you're building a 6-foot privacy fence in a windy area, every second post needs reinforcement, but for open fences (especially chain-link) every third or even fourth will do - always reinforcing corner posts and the two posts on a gate. This is especially true in soils that already have an internal "reinforcement" - your caliche - and in climates that aren't prone to lots of freeze-thaw cycles (your arid climate).
You also don't need rebar or other reinforcement for setting posts - their purpose is to give large slabs (usually horizontal, but also vertical) of concrete internal rigidity, which isn't needed for the "plug" of concrete around a post. Curing? you don't have much choice on that topic - and you probably don't need to worry, since the curing process is most critical for large areas exposed to the elements. Just don't fall for the lazy man's method - pouring dry pre-mix in the holes and then running a little water in from the hose.
I assume above that you're sinking posts to one-third their length; the fencing standard. Of course if you were actually pouring a linear concrete footing under long sections of fence, all those statements can be ignored...
Re: chain-link - the covenants in many communities prohibit chain-link fences (the assumption is that they look "industrial" or "trailer-trashy"), so that may be one reason why they get short shrift in the book.
Cheers, and have fun building the gates (I still have two gates to go)...
Rex
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Jun 15 '04
6:51 am PDT
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4 or 5 tons, and whaddya get? (Reply to this comment)
by voxpoptart
I dare you to pour four or five ton of concrete without having made adequate preparation and not cry for a month
Aw, bad timing. You dared me 15 hours _after_ we got some professionals to solidify the foundations under the chimney. Now i can't use your plan and look daring.
Seriously, this book sounds frustrating. I like your approach: to acknowledge its real strengths and give it a provisional 4-star _if_ the reader doesn't take the book too seriously, too quickly. Wonder how it'll work out in practice.
cheers,
- Brian
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Jun 15 '04
1:35 am PDT
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