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by George_Chabot,  in Movies
Seems like you're right. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment! :>
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Mar 25 '06
9:20 am PST
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by virtuelle2
US foreign policy hasn't changed much, eh? Realpolitik reigns supreme no matter what they say. I think I'll pass on this one - wouldn't want to be sick on my tv.
-Teresa
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Mar 25 '06
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by George_Chabot, in Movies
Heh. I think you're right. Britain was a goner, in Churchill's view, without the Russian front. Stalin would not renounce territorial ambitions (Baltic states) as WC asked, even as the Germans kicked the snot out of them in 1941. Churchill and Roosevelt were as cynical as they come, also, as you noted.
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Mar 24 '06
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by Stephen_Murray, in Movies
Probably we'll do just fine with you having seen one and me the other!
It seems to me that Churchill judged that Hitler would have conquered Britain without an Eastern front. The Russian casualties were astronomical and realpolitick dictated an alliance with the more distant and marginally more sane despot. What would Machiavelli's Prince have done? Even the hardest-nosed machiavellians miscalculate (I mean FDR and Churchill at Yalta.)
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Mar 23 '06
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by George_Chabot, in Movies
Thanks for the correction on Mr. Copland's name. I haven't seen Days of Glory, and judging from your hint, probably won't.
I've been reading Churchill's Second World War series and am amazed at how machiavellian the old boy was, tying in with Joe Stalin. I believe he also let the bugger steal Eastern Europe after the war, along with Harry Truman. Why he was so eager to stand against Hitler yet embraced Stalin, easily as evil, imho, is a mystery to me. They could have let the two badguys beat themselves to a frazzle and then the US/UK could have waxed em.
Of course, I know the military industrial complex was too far along to be dismantled - we would have gone back straight into depression, likely, but it's fun to dream.
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Mar 23 '06
5:38 pm PST
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by Stephen_Murray, in Movies
"Days of Glory" (to which you'd have the same reaction, I'm pretty sure), but think I've only seen the last two or so minutes.
Copland, BTW.
And the US track record for savory allies continues to include such shining lights as Mubarak and the especially close relationship between the House of Bush and the House of Saud. Look back a decade and there was Mobutu, and many, many more. And the rapprochment between Nixon/Kissinger and Mao, the only person responsible for more deaths than Stalin... and the pandering to the PRC of ALL subsequent administrations.
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Mar 23 '06
12:24 pm PST
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