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I Love This Review!! (Reply to this comment)
by Robtran
It only took me three-and-a-half years to read it (sorry!), but this took my breath away and you are absolutely, dead-on right!
Another film with the same implied problem is GHOST. What if what's-her-name remarried? I can just picture her meeting up with her deceased husband in Heaven: "Unchained Melody" plays on the soundtrack, what's-her-name approaches her long-dead first husband, who looks at the old man at her side and exclaims "Who the h*ll is THAT?!"
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Dec 22 '03
5:54 pm PST
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Yea! (Reply to this comment)
by cinnamun
Joan, you get two thumbs up for your point, which even we "independent women" might have missed for getting carried away with the movie's romantic theme. I thought the conclusion when Rose meets Jack after death was the most emotional and memorable scene in the film, because it made the point that all are in the same class after death, and suggests that spiritual reunion can take place (in an afterlife).
But, you're right, it didn't make much sense that a centarian like Rose would still hold on to memories of her teen love after living so fully! This is what Dr. Laura Schlessinger had become famous for in her "10 Stupid Things" book-- telling modern women that we don't need a man to carry us away on a white horse to be happy! Rose's line at the end of the movie, "he saved me in every way that a person could be saved", was almost offensive. Any intelligent person, including Jack himself, would have found this a gross over-statement.
The reunion scene made for a sweet and emotional ending, and Rose throwing her diamond away could be interpreted in several ways: She was tossing it out in honor of Jack so that the cumbersome diamond would never provoke human greed; that even costly material things aren't as meaningful as human life and love; that at last, she could put the past to rest and completely be rid of the only surviving reminder of the life she left behind with all its cruel entrapments.
Tossing away the diamond may have been one of the story's less believable points, but its importance in relation to the outstanding point that you've made is negligible. I guess there is room for exaggeration in a romantic story, but perhaps this one went too far in pointing out that ultimately Rose's life change was propelled by Jack Dawson's memory and was not due solely to her own determination, strong mind, and resourcefulness. And what a questionable notion that a woman could live her whole life and discredit the man she married and parented with with the idea that "a woman's heart is a deep ocean of secrets", to justify holding on to the memory.
(Sighhh) Joan, I guess romance just doesn't hold up in light of reality. The goal of a movie is to entertain, but the fallacies inherent in an unbelievable love story superimposed upon the tragedy of a sunken liner make the ultimate message in this film a disappointment in retrospect. Now, here's a good film: Rich girl hates rich life, meets boy on ship, ship sinks, boy dies, and girl becomes woman, woman becomes survivor... Even without boy.
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Dec 11 '00
8:51 am PST
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Yours was the better review. (Reply to this comment)
by CPXB
Joan,
Well, to be honest, your review was better than mine. Okay, mine had some amusing points to it, but yours was the deeper analysis. Plus, you were right. It is horrible to say that 'Jack saved her' when Rose, as you clearly showed, saved herself. It was a hideous message to send, that even in this day and age, that a successful woman is that way because of male intervention.
Great stuff!
-- Chris
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Jul 31 '00
11:31 pm PDT
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Although at the time that I watched Titanic... (Reply to this comment)
by Taryn74
...I loved it (I've only seen it once, in the theater) I quickly got sick of it after it got *SO* *MUCH* *ATTENTION*. I think the special effects and the "grandeur" of the whole movie were superb, and while the storyline made my cry while caught up in the moment, in all honesty it was pretty shabby. I too was bothered by the idea that a guy Rose had known for two whole days supposedly was the driving force for the rest of the things she did with her life, and after who knows how many years of happy marriage and motherhood, Jack is still the one she thinks of on her dying bed? Bah! Whatever!
Anyway, about your review LOL, it was excellently written and had me ROFL in places. Great work!
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Jun 20 '00
12:04 pm PDT
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Titanic sank in your eyes (Reply to this comment)
by recordplayer
Good comment, but I still liked the movie. Not as good as the original but I still enjoyed it.
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Jun 17 '00
6:02 pm PDT
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some good points... (Reply to this comment)
by thatsmytake
i loved "titanic," but i also always felt the romantic relationship between Rose and Jack was always based on, well, not much. They had this "grand love" and "undying romance" that seemed too quick, too much of a "given" in the movie... we did not see it develop through enough dialogue or soul-sharing. It was believable, but not very rich or full.
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Jun 16 '00
6:09 pm PDT
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EXCELLENT review (Reply to this comment)
by realtraveller
I found you after reading one of your long comments to another review. Now I'm going to catch up and read others. But back to Titanic. Your review very well written and made excellent points. I was always bugged by the same things. And I really cringed at the end when she threw that necklace into the sea. That necklace could have provided for her granddaughter (the one who was taking care of her in her old age) for life. What a waste.
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May 29 '00
8:56 am PDT
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Re: My 2 cents... (Reply to this comment)
by conradd
I'll raise you .02 and say that I am more likely to actually watch Titanic all the way through after reading Quiet1's review than before. So far, I can watch for perhaps 15-20 minutes, then find something else more enjoyable (cleaning my kitchen and bathroom come to mind). I'd enjoy examining the film from her viewpoint.
Deb
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May 19 '00
11:41 am PDT
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Re: My 2 cents... (Reply to this comment)
by NealGoodall
Kifwebe, your points are well made, and for those reasons I gave an HR. But I struggled, because the opinion doesn't work as a review; it's even introduced: "This is not a review". For that reason alone, it's a conceivable NR...honestly, if I hadn't been in a good mood, I might have NR'd it!
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May 18 '00
6:32 am PDT
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Good Job! (Reply to this comment)
by kitt
The major problem with this movie was that they took a real life horrible situation and made it into a love story. My grandmother had friends that died in that terrible incident. The movie focuses on rose and her love life and not you that so many peole really drown to death in this tragic event.
Kathy
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May 18 '00
5:42 am PDT
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Wow! (Reply to this comment)
by DnDn4kidz
You know, I never really looked at it like this, but I completely agree with you! How odd! :)
Great review~thanks for opening my eyes to more than just the plot!
Desiree
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May 17 '00
11:34 pm PDT
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"I'll never let go..." (Reply to this comment)
by Anne-Gwish
.. bah! Humbug! She did let go!
Sorry. That's the one line in that movie that has ALWAYS raked my nerves.
Anyways. EXCELLENT review. I couldn't agree more. In fact I was tempted to write a review similar to this, but you know, you did a good enough job for both of us! KEEP UP the excellent work!
Anne ^..^ Gwish
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May 17 '00
11:15 am PDT
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My 2 cents... (Reply to this comment)
by kifwebe
After reading this review and its comments, I have to say I'm a bit puzzled. Consider the following:
1. QuietI expressed her OPINION on the movie. That's the first criteria for submitting reviews here.
2. QuietI expressed her opinion well. Her points were very well supported, and certainly a part of her personality came out in the review as well. As far as I'm concerned, personality is an important part of epinions. If I wanted a professional movie review, I would visit the movie's official website. Instead, I am looking for another PERSON'S reaction to the film. To me, that's what makes epinions great.
3. Not only were the opinions well-supported, the review was very well written.
4. There was no offensive content contained in this review.
5. The opinion was obviously effective, in that it sparked others to want to form their own opinion on the subject. It provided insight that I couldn't have found anywhere else on the web or in print.
Considering all of the above, I can't understand how anyone could give this review anything but a "Highly Recommended" rating. I can understand a "Recommended" rating, perhaps, based on the fact that someone may have been looking for more cold hard facts about the movie. But again, I feel that the official Titanic website could be used for that. People really need to understand that ratings have nothing to do with whether or not you agree with the opinion. That's what the comment section and the web of trust are for. And if you disagree strongly enough, write your own epinion on the subject. OK, I've said my peace. Great review! -kifwebe
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May 17 '00
1:15 am PDT
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Re: I was seriously recluctant... (Reply to this comment)
by QuietI
No problem with the SR Krista, and I really appreciate you taking the time to write and let me know why you rated that way.
You are right, I had completely forgotten how common arranged marriages were. However, this didn't seem so much like an arranged marriage as a white slave trade. Rose was already at her fiance's sexual beck and call and they weren't even married yet. Yuck. I think if they weren't sleeping together (and he wasn't so abusive of her) I wouldn't have minded it at all, actually. Just the context they put it in was so horrid, I couldn't ignore it.
As to your second point, I think I addressed that, but it got buried in the rest of my diatribe. :) Yes, Jack was Rose's inspiration, he did have an enormous impact on her. But I still say it was up to her to actually make something of her life, and she did.
Last but not least, I agree with you, the film seeks to entertain us, and I do understand these are fictional characters. It is an engrossing and entertaining movie, and the real-life tragedy is compelling. But truly great films transform us somehow, show us how we can become better than we knew we could be. They have some redeeming social value beyond kick-ass special effects and emotional button-pushing. I believe that Titanic could have risen to that level with very few changes, and I truly feel it's a shame that it didn't.
Best regards,
Joan
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May 17 '00
12:36 am PDT
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Love this review! (Reply to this comment)
by amyrok
Love the way you honestly described one of the most over rated movies in history.
Good job!
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May 17 '00
12:29 am PDT
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Re: I was seriously recluctant... (Reply to this comment)
by NealGoodall
I'm with Krista. Why does a story set before WWII have to fit postwar ideals? I'd also add: Why wouldn't Rose fondly remember the Titanic? What survivor could forget?! It's not unlikely she would save the necklace under the supposed circumstances of the fictional story! Great writing, though! :)
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May 17 '00
12:17 am PDT
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Re: I was seriously recluctant... (Reply to this comment)
by Lottsline
Yes, the reviewer may have "missed" the point of arranged marriages being common back then, but the movie had a few "current" view points as well--woman like Rose did NOT sleep around and in the early part of the century she would have never let a man paint her in the nude!
I agree with your review! I never really liked the whole "love theme" of this movie in the first place!!
Lottie
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May 17 '00
12:15 am PDT
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I was seriously recluctant... (Reply to this comment)
by kmhinman
to give the SR, but I had to on one point.
You are looking at this movie from a current point of view. You are missing all of what it is saying and meaning.
Titanic sunk in the early 1900's. Life then was MUCH diffent then today. At that time, arranged marriages were VERY commen. They were a fact of life. That is one point I think you missed.
Secondly, you missed the point that some people make a huge impact on our lives. "Jack" made suck a huge impact on "Rose" that she found a way to make her life better. In the grand scheme of things, Rose did do it for herself, but if she hadn't met him she wouldn't have taken that route.
Third, you missed the point of entertainment. No one said this was a documentary. Titanic was a movie. Plain and simple. These people aren't real, their experiences are real, nothing but the sinking in real.
You writing was supurb. I can't deny that, but I had such a disagrement with what you said. You are trying to make this film out to be more than it was. I'm sorry if I offended, but I had to go with my gut feeling.
Krista
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May 16 '00
11:57 pm PDT
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