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Re: Re: Biased (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Yes, tlimjoco, "foobies" has nothing to worry about, if JOURNEYS WITH GEORGE is the most biased picture of George W. Bush fielded during his first term.
Interestingly, Alexandra Pelosi recently published an op-ed piece in the San Francisco Chronicle in which she suggested that the "us-against-them" approach that he had used with her on the press/media plane was the same that he employed with voters in helping the Republican Party win the midterm elections. While avoiding any specific discussion of an endgame for his domestic and foreign policies, he continued to conceal his dictatorial drive under a jocular personality.
I give high marks to the President for leading his party; one has to go back to LBJ to find a Democrat with his mastery of party leadership. Unfortunately, we are beginning, and will continue, to suffer the consequences of his success -- only more so.
Thank you for your interesting comment.
Regards.
[Macresarf1]
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Dec 20 '02
10:19 am PST
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Re: Re: Biased (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Thank you for the support of my view, Vormancian. I did not give JOURNEYS WITH GEORGE my highest recommendation; it neglects most of the crucial questions we shall now have to suffer the answers of; but I would not call "bias" one of its failings, in a pejorative sense, certainly not from a Republican point of view.
[The term "bias" is an interesting one, for all statements or presentations contain bias. Whether we object to the bias or not tends to depend on if we agree with the opinion. The charge itself may become a way of manipulating perception, such as the perennial judgment in politics about a view being "centrist," "too far to the left" or "too far to the right," instead of considering each matter on its merits. In this case, the charge is that JOURNEYS WITH GEORGE has an "anti-Republican" bias, which is clearly not the case.]
Fortunately, Epinions is a place where we can freely examine these questions.
Regards.
[Macresarf1]
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Nov 20 '02
8:28 am PST
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Re: Biased (Reply to this comment)
by Vormancian
I have to admit that I haven't seen all of this, just one twenty minute or so clip, but it hardly seemed like the sort of thing that was 'bashing'.
I find it somewhat humorous that anyone would call it bashing really. As macresarf said, it's really just pointing a camera at people while they do whatever they do. If showing what they do is 'bashing', it's a use of term I find confusing.
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Nov 19 '02
1:22 pm PST
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Re: Biased (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Dear foobies: Your tone suggests that you have seen JOURNEYS WITH GEORGE. Have you? If so, I can't understand how you say that it is a "politically motivated smear campaign."
What surprised me, given the source -- the daughter of the now new Democrat Minority Leader of the House of Representatives -- is how fair, favorable, even affectionate the documentary was to George W. Bush.
You may want to put "documentary" in quotation marks, but all Alexandra Pelosi does is place George W. Bush, some of his advisors and the press corps on candid camera, and lets them do their thing.
My great problem with the film was why it was held up so long before being shown to the general people.
Hope you will take a chance on it.
Regards.
[Macresarf1]
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Nov 19 '02
9:44 am PST
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Re: Excuse me..... (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Dear Nick: As I must say to Steve, I'm afraid we are all stuck on this planet for the near future.
You and I have an added responsibility that Steve, as a Canadian, does not have. I hope that you and I, with other reasonable citizens, will stand up for America as a Democratic Nation, a true Republic and a Good Neighbor in the World.
If we target the people of 60 nations who, if "they are not for us, they are agin us" (as the President said last Spring at West Point), we shall spawn many, many more terrorists than we would have by taking a less revengeful attitude.
Let us use our energies in preventing the Nation from setting out on the road of Conquest that so many both famous and forgotten empires have staggered down before us.
Regards.
[Macresarf1]
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Nov 07 '02
4:19 pm PST
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Re: Re: Excuse me..... (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Dear Steve: I fear you, Nick and I do not have access to the Space Program. Nor does most of the Human Race. We have to live for a time yet on this on this planet.
In my view, when Mr. Bush did nothing about the economic situation in the first months of his Administration but push through a huge tax cut for the richest families in America, his die for the Nation was cast. To find it necessary to deal with 9-1-1 by primarily military solutions, substantially raising that sector of the budget, compounded his growing dilemma. The result must be renewed inflation and deflation (hard to know in what order), similar to results Ronald Reagan began to see. Fortunately for the U.S.A., then, the other nations of the World were willing to give us a blank cheque. It is doubtful that they will do it again.
As a man who said his job would be easier if he were dictator, the 2002 Midterm Elections give him close to those powers. And from the lessons of dictatorship in the past two centuries, we can see the overpowering, paranoid belief that the Nation is surround by enemies who must be attacked on all sides.
JOURNEYS WITH GEORGE will probably be shown on HBO again, if the cable channel follows past practice. If it did not, that would be an interesting departure in itself.
Hope you get to see it.
Regards.
[Macresarf1]
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Nov 07 '02
4:06 pm PST
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Re: I really related (Reply to this comment)
by macresarf1
Dear patti: We shall have to see, but I have not, in my lifetime, as I said right after 9-1-1, been so apprehensive about where the Nation is going. As you say, having complete control may have two edges for the President, but I'm afraid all we built up in trust in the eyes of the World will be in shambles by then. Other countries, quite rightly, do not understand why we have been hectoring people for 50 years about the need for Democracy, The Rule of Law, Evil Empires, Imperialism in general, Human Rights, keeping agreements, attacking other states without provocation, etc, when once we have weakened all the other great powers, we cynically begin to violate all our supposed principles.
One can certainly conclude too much from the 2002 Midterm Elections. The Republican reactionaries may have, but we are on a very dangerous course now. In the eyes of the World, patti, it's as if we said to everyone, "The Hell with you all (including most poorer Americans), we're going to do as we please. Bring on the consequences."
I'm afraid, we're going to get 'em. And if I'm right, it will not be just George Bush who will pay the price. We all shall.
Thank you for your empathetic comment. I appreciate it.
[Macresarf1]
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Nov 07 '02
3:42 pm PST
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I really related (Reply to this comment)
by AliventiAsylum,  in Movies
to the bit about how the press reports him. Just today I was saying to someone that for years we've heard the press accused of a Liberal bias - but lately it seems to be exactly the opposite. I've heard Shrub say stuff over the last six months that would have been front page headlines had anyone else said it.
Two weeks before the most recent elections he's publicly stating that Florida gets treated better because his brother's the governor - and the press isn't howling about that? He threatens New York that if they "want their phone calls answered by the White House" they better re-elect their (Republican) governor - and it's buried somewhere.
I just honestly don't get it. I think having complete control is really going to backfire because there is no one else left to blame. When this country is in sad shape in 2 years, I wonder what the excuses will be then?
Patti
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Nov 07 '02
2:54 pm PST
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Re: Excuse me..... (Reply to this comment)
by firstcontact21
That does sound more and more like a good option (living on another planet). Less humanity doesn't screw that up as much as they've screwed this up.
As a Canadian observer, I sincerely hope and suspect that Bush may turn out to be a one term president; and that hopefully over the next two years attention will shift back to the "homeland," and Americans will seriously understand that Bush's policies aren't helping the economy and aren't contributing much to anything else.
It's kinda scary though, that the propaganda of this administration can so easily be bought. War with Iraq shouldn't be a top priority, fixing up the American economy should be, doing things to improve services should be, doing things to improve the environment should be, and of course, you could go on.
Usually the movie station we have here in Canada brings us HBO presentations, so hopefully they will bring us this one and I can catch it sometime. Seems somewhat interesting.
Cheers,
- Steve
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Nov 07 '02
10:55 am PST
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Excuse me..... (Reply to this comment)
by NFP
...I have to duck into an alley and puke my guts out. I would have found this movie amusing prior to yesterday's election results. I am unable to come up with any other reaction.
Sigh.
Oh....very nice job on the post.
Sigh. I must live on a different planet...actually, I'm getting to the point where that's beginning to sound like a desirable option.
nick
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Nov 06 '02
8:21 pm PST
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