Best laptop ever--too bad it's a Dell!
Written: Jun 28 '04 (Updated Jul 31 '05)
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Pros: Great battery life, fast CPU&GPU, many options, big beautiful widescreen--and doesn't weigh a TON!!
Cons: Atrocious post-sale support, quality control and reliabilty somewhat lacking
The Bottom Line: If you can buy an 8600 secondhand in good condition, opt for that instead of buying from Dell.
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| puter's Full Review: Dell Inspiron 8600 (8600SAP) PC Notebook |
Quite possibly, this will be the most in-depth laptop review you will ever read.
Updated Aug 1, 2005--corrected info on the port replicator's DVI/VGA outputs.
Also, I was recently browsing Dell's website and was disappointed to learn that none of the current Inspiron models have a docking port for using a port replicator (other than the crappy USB alternatives). If you want to use a port replicator, you must now buy something from the Dell's Latitude product line. The Latitude D810 appears to have the exact same external design and casing as the Inspiron 8600, although Dell's website makes it sound like the D810's case is made from metal instead of plastic (a slight improvement, although with an increase on the price tag).
Updated Mar 10, 2005--clarified info about DVI/VGA on port replicator, updated comments about speakers. (Both changes toward the end, in the Feb 17 update section.)
Updated Feb 17, 2005--See the end for details. :)
It has taken me many years to finally succumb and buy a laptop, but now that I have one, I don't see myself ever being without one--at least, not until I get my wrist computer with a holographic display and direct neural link.
The Intro: Why I Needed a Laptop
In the past whenever I have looked at laptops, I have always decided they were too inadequate to meet my needs, especially for the price I was willing to pay. But my quest for the cheapest modern laptop possible started last summer, shortly before I went on vacation. You see, I needed more memory for my 5 MP camera, but it would have cost me hundreds of dollars to buy just 1 GB worth of Sony Memory Sticks. I looked into renting a laptop but Rent-A-Center wanted something like $50/day. For not a lot more, I could buy a laptop with a 20 GB hard drive! I actually failed to buy a laptop before going on vacation, but I did buy 384 MB worth of Memory Sticks and borrowed by brother's old Toshiba Pentium 166 laptop with 1 GB hard drive. I was able to back up his stuff and free up almost 400 MB of space that I could use to store some of my pictures. The scheme worked out okay, but I knew his laptop was on its last legs and I would hate to have to ask him to borrow it whenever I went out taking lots of pictures.
Once I returned from vacation I started watching various sites and researching different brands of laptops. Eventually, in late December I ordered the cheapest laptop I could find: a preconfigured Inspiron 1100 from Dell, out of some advertisement. After I started using the laptop a little, I found out that I liked using a laptop and decided I might like to use it at work. I did start using it at work and decided that having a laptop really was as great as people made it sound.
Soon afterward, my brother's old Toshiba Satellite finally croaked. He just wanted a laptop better than his old one, and didn't want to pay an arm and a leg. He actually doesn't carry his laptop around a lot; he mostly just leaves it at home and uses it around the house. Since I had started using the Inspiron 1100 at work, I realized that it was adequate but not ideal for the sorts of things I do.
I rubbed my chin and thought, "Hmmm, my bro needs a new laptop...I have a new laptop but want an even newer one..." and then a lightbulb flickered on. My brother bought my Inspiron 1100 and I started shopping for a higher-end laptop that could deal better with the rigors of programming and testing, would be a little easier to carry around, would run longer on its battery, and might be able to handle an occasional 3D game.
Well, after about a month, here's what I ended up with:
Inspiron 8600
Pentium M 1.4 GHz
Mobility Radeon 9600 PRO Turbo w/128 MB
WSXGA 15.4" widescreen LCD (1680x1050 native resolution)
60 GB 7200 RPM hard drive
1 GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
Dell 802.11g wireless card
Windows XP Pro
The search for the perfect laptop: Dell has some good deals...and some not-so-good deals
The hardest part about buying a laptop is finding the one that has all the features you want but which still fits into your budget. Dell makes this much easier by offering full customizability. While some manufacturers only let you choose different CPU speeds, RAM sizes, hard drive sizes, and networking options, Dell goes all the way and lets you also choose your display resolution and graphics card, among other things.
If you frequent bargain-hunting sites like http://www.techbargains.com or http://www.slickdeals.net, you will find some great discount codes and other promotions that you can take advantage of when buying a laptop. TechBargains frequently posts the best deals on Dell laptops and maintains an up-to-date list of discount codes for many online retailers. When I bought my Inspiron 8600, I used a $200-off discount code along with the current promotions to buy a $2000 laptop for $1600.
But don't get sucked in by the thought that Dell offers the best deals, hands-down. I ordered my laptop with the smallest amount of RAM Dell offered: single 256 MB SO-DIMM. I turned around and bought two 512 MB SO-DIMMs (Small-Outline Dual Inline Memory Modules) from http://www.newegg.com for about $215. The same RAM upgrade would have cost me over $400 from Dell, and I wouldn't have had a 256 MB SO-DIMM leftover to give to my brother.
The only accessory I bought from Dell was the CyberLink remote control (Dell calls it the "Remote Control for Dell Media Experience&tm;"). Most other accessories from Dell are overpriced in comparison to similar items you can find listed on TechBargains or http://www.pricegrabber.com.
The first thing I did when I got my laptop was...NOT boot it up!
I already owned several licenses for Windows XP Pro (only one of which I was actually using), so I opted to get WinXP Home preinstalled on this laptop because it was about $100 cheaper. The first thing I did when I received the laptop was image the hard drive so I would be able to revert it to its factory state if I ever needed to. (For those who don't already know, imaging the hard drive is basically making an exact copy of the entire hard drive and saving it into one big file that you can restore at any time in the future.) Then, before ever booting it into WinXP Home, I booted off the WinXP Pro CD and upgraded to WinXP Pro. After that, I booted up, installed most of my frequently-used software, and imaged the hard drive again.
Get on with it...so does it suck or does it rock?
I am pleased to say that the Inspiron 8600 is the single laptop that will give you the best of all worlds: performance, battery life, weight, features, options, and price. I looked at many laptops before settling on a Dell, and all of the big brands failed to deliver in at least two of these areas. IBM and Toshiba failed to deliver on options and price. Comparable HP/Compaq laptops in features had fewer options but decent prices--unfortunately, they were also much heavier. And Apple laptops, of course, are very nicely designed but again offer fewer options at much higher prices. Then there are the likes of Alienware and Sager, companies dedicated to building the highest-performance machines: their prices were so high for comparable machines that you might expect them to just do your work for you. So in the end, it just comes down to this: Dell offers the best value and options across the board.
Performance: My Inspiron 8600 handily crushes my similarly-spec'ed home desktop computer (Athlon XP 1700 --which runs at about 1.47 GHz, 512 MB PC2700 DDR RAM, GeForce4 4200Ti w/128 MB RAM) in games and performs on par with the 2.4 GHz Xeons that we have at the office for serious work.
Battery life: As many others have noted, the battery lasts about 4 hours through typical use--office work, e-mail, web browsing, occasional compiling of a few thousand lines of source code. Best of all, it only takes a little more than an hour to fully charge a drained main battery.
Weight: At 7 lbs, this laptop is a full pound lighter than the Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop I bought in December 2003, yet its specs are superior in every way--faster-performing CPU, a real graphics card, faster and 3x bigger hard drive, louder and better-sounding speakers, and 72% more screen real estate (made possible by a wider screen and smaller pixels). The screen on my 8600 also looks a lot better than many other laptop screens. It is higher in resolution and has better contrast and wider viewing angles than those of most other laptops in the same price range.
Features: The laptop has many nice little features. For instance, the built-in microphone picks up sound very well, and the volume and mute buttons above the keyboard are more convenient to use than the Fn PgUp/PgDn/End combos that would otherwise be required. With a quick Fn-key combo you can also suspend the machine, enable/disable the wireless card, display the battery monitor, adjust screen brightness, or even eject the DVD/CD tray. I don't really use the play/pause, stop, previous track, and next track buttons to the right of the keyboard; but I suppose if you're into that sort of thing, they might come in handy.
This laptop also has all the ports you could need. Along the left side: mini Firewire (IEEE 1394) port, PCMCIA port, mic in and headphones out. On the back: power jack, serial port, VGA out, parallel port, 56k modem, 10/100 LAN, 2x full-size USB 2.0 ports, S-video out (also composite video out and digital audio out via an included adapter).
Some newer laptops forego the legacy serial and parallel ports, but I like that the 8600 still includes them. (UPDATE 2/17/05: Only the earlier 8600 revision sold in late 2003-early 2004 includes the legacy ports. Newer revisions are missing the parallel port and serial port, as well as the eraser-tip style pointing stick located between the g,b, and h keys on my keyboard.) I haven't yet used the legacy ports, but it's nice to know they're there in case I want to hook up my Lego MindStorms or digital multimeter. On the other hand, I would much rather have PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports instead of the parallel port. Microsoft doesn't make any full-size USB Natural keyboards for some reason any more--the closest thing is the retail-boxed PS2/USB Natural Keyboard Elite, which uses a goofy diamond layout for its arrow keys. I'm a huge fan of the MS Natural ergonomic keyboards, but at work I have to use a USB KVM to use my PS/2-only Natural Elite keyboard, and for home I had to cave in and buy a USB Logitech Elite straight (non-ergonomic) keyboard.
My only gripe about port arrangement is that there is no USB port on the side or front of the machine. It would be a lot more convenient to have at least one USB port on the side or front in order to plug in my digital camera more easily while the laptop is already opened up and sitting on my lap or on a desk.
Dell also put a nicer latch on the lid. Rather than having a hook-style latch that slides left and right over a catch, the 8600 sports a broad clip on the lid (display) that slides over a wide button built into the main body. To release the screen you simply push the button in. This clip style of latch is more rugged than the hook style, and is also a little easier to pop open one-handed when you're in a rush.
Options: You have three different displays to choose from (WUXGA, WSXGA , and WXGA) and at least two or three options for almost every internal component in this laptop. You can even buy a snap-on cover for the back of the display (for an outrageous $39 shipping) if you get bored with the normal gray color.
The display options alone set Dell apart from most manufacturers, because most only offer a single resolution for any given physical size of display. Dell, on the other hand, offers the following resolutions:
WUXGA - 1920x1200
WSXGA - 1680x1050
WXGA - 1280x800
The WSXGA display only costs $50 more than the WXGA display and gives you quite a bit more screen space for the size. The WUXGA costs $150 more than the WXGA and offers a lot more screen space than either of the other two options, but things might look too small to many people at such a high resolution.
The 15.4" widescreen displays on these laptops are physically as wide as a 17" monitor; perhaps even a little bit wider. The WXGA's native resolution is comparable to running at 1280x1024 on a 17" monitor, the WSXGA 's resolution is comparable to running at 1600x1200 on a 17" monitor, and the WUXGA's resolution is comparable to running at 1920x1440 on a 17" monitor. So if you have a fairly new computer with a better-than-average 17" monitor and halfway-decent video card, you can test out these resolutions and see which one suits you best.
The display is exactly the same height as a 14" display. I found this out when I discovered my 8600 fit perfectly into the same laptop bag that I had used briefly for my 1100 (which has a 14" display). The only reason my laptop fits perfectly in the same bag is that the bag had a small area on the side reserved for holding something like the power adapter. Since the extra width of my 8600 consumes this space in my bag, I just toss the power adapter into the main front pocket of the bag.
Sounds too good to be true--what's wrong with it?
In particular, the 8600's greatest strength and weakness both come from its Mobility Radeon 9600 PRO Turbo. The video card is fast enough to play new games, such as Halo, with all the options turned on, but it runs so hot in some other games (e.g., Rise of Nations) that the graphics subsystem itself crashes. No, the computer does not crash, the graphics crash. I can press the power button to hibernate my laptop, wait 10 minutes for it to cool down, then boot it back up and my Rise of Nations game will still be running (and will again cause the laptop to overheat if I don't close it right away).
But no matter how much I turn down the in-game graphics options and turn down the graphics card's driver options, it always crashes when I try to play Rise of Nations. Sometimes I can get through a fast game, but usually the games last at least a couple of hours. The screen basically freezes, then gradually gets dotted with lots of pretty colors, eventually becoming a mostly-white picture with many random thin vertical stripes.
I have not been able to reproduce the effect in any other application (including benchmarks which are supposed to stress the various subsystems), and even cooling the laptop externally (e.g., lifting it off the table and putting fans blowing up up against the bottom or across the whole machine) does not help.
Oh, and the really STUPID part? After I manually hibernate the computer and shut it off, then turn it back on, the BIOS displays a warning that the machine had automatically shut down in order to save itself and the entire city from a disastrous nuclear meltdown. Sure, I suppose it's automatic now that I immediately groan in annoyance and press the power button when I see the screen freeze up and start to turn white with thin rainbow stripes.
Award-winning support? Yeah, right!!!
Dell support has been utterly useless in trying to fix the GPU overheating problem. I always have to sit on the phone for 30 minutes until I finally get to someone, then I get transferred to someone else and have to wait another 30 minutes because somehow I wound up with the wrong department.
Once I finally get to talk to someone, "Mike" (who still has an obvious Indian accent despite the rigorous training that was supposed to make him sound more like an American, and who--coincidentally--seems to have the same name as all the rest of Dell's support personnel in Bangalore) blabbers something about how I must be on crack or my environment must be too hot because he has never heard of such a problem. Then he tells me that if the Dell diagnostic programs pass, nothing is wrong with the machine. So in short: if you think there is even a remote possibility that you will ever require technical support, buy a laptop from someone else.
What if you never need Dell's support? Then is it okay?
For the most part, yes. But there are still some quirks to be concerned about.
This first issue is probably a case of RTFM ("Read The Freaking Manual") syndrome, but I have still not figured out how to use the CRT/LCD button to switch to "clone" mode for dual displays. This is useful, for example, when you are giving a presentation. You want the same thing to show up on the external projector and on the laptop screen. Sometimes it automatically works like this, but usually it only lets me use one or the other.
The other issue is one of quality control. My LCD had about 12 bad pixels when I booted it up for the first time. This may sound awful, but it's not nearly as bad as it sounds, once you consider the size of the pixels and the fact that there are nearly 1.8 million pixels in a WSXGA display.
What is a bad pixel?
There are two kinds of bad pixels: "hot" and "dead." A hot pixel is one that always on as long as the display is on and always stays the same color (not black). These are easy to test for because you just have to make the entire display black (so the display shows a totally black image--NOT off!). You will most likely see some red, green, or blue pixels, but it's possible you may also see white or some other color. A dead pixel, on the other hand, is one that is always off and stays black. You can easily test for this by making the entire display white and searching for black pixels. Note that you might also notice some hot pixels when you are testing for dead pixels.
Uh-oh. But if you buy a $2000 laptop, the screen should be perfect, shouldn't it?
While most people do have this attitude when it comes to buying an LCD display, digital camera, PDA, or laptop, it is unrealistic. Those who expect to get a perfect LCD fail to recognize that the manufacturing processes for LCDs are far from perfect.
If only perfect LCDs made it to market, the cost of buying anything with a decent-size LCD would be astronomical. Increasing the number of pixels in a display drastically increases the chances of having bad pixels in the display, so all manufacturers have come up with certain acceptable tolerances to allow more displays to make it to market. Typically a manufacturer won't replace a display under warranty due to bad pixels unless there are more than a certain number of bad pixels--many require as many as six bad pixels before they will consider the display defective. According to HowStuffWorks.com's http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lcd10.htm, LCD manufacturers reject 40% of the large LCD panels (like those used in computer or TV LCD displays) that are made. If this many displays are known to have more than 6 bad pixels from the start, it seems that the chances of getting a perfect LCD must be impossibly small.
All this talk about LCD quality control is depressing, but there is a bright side. As pixels get smaller, it gets harder and harder to see each individual bad pixel unless you are specifically looking for it. So while Dell's WUXGA display might have 20 bad pixels compared to 5 bad pixels in their WXGA display of the same physical size, you may not notice any bad pixels while working on the WUXGA display even though 2 of the 5 bad pixels on the WXGA display are really annoying.
I don't even notice the bad pixels on my display anyway because they are smaller than dust particles (a pixel on my display is less than 3 microns wide; for comparison, a HEPA air cleaner removes particles down to 3 microns in size).
What's the difference between Pentium M and Centrino?
In short, there is no difference. The Pentium M processor is basically a supercharged Pentium III that can perform on par with faster-clocked P4s while still sucking up less juice. The Centrino name is little more than a catchy advertising gimmick to most consumers, although the platform stability will please large corporate buyers. To have a "Centrino inside" sticker, a laptop must have a Pentium M CPU and an internal Intel wireless networking (WLAN) card. You may check out http://www.intel.com/products/mobiletechnology/index.htm?iid=ipp_note+mobiletech& for more information.
At the time I ordered my laptop, Intel only offered an 802.11b (11 Mbps) WLAN card. Since I opted for Dell's faster 802.11g (54Mbps) card, my laptop only has a "Pentium M inside" sticker instead of the Centrino sticker. (Note that 802.11g is backward-compatible with 802.11b and will reduce to 11 Mbps if you connect to an 802.11b network, so many manufacturers advertise their 802.11g cards as 802.11b/g cards.) Last I checked, Intel's now-available 802.11g card cost $10 more than Dell's 802.11g card. Only battery-life tests and networking benchmarks will tell whether the Intel card is actually worth $10 more than the Dell card. Unfortunately I have not yet seen any such tests.
For crying out loud--buy it or not?
If you know or think you will require technical support at some point during your ownership of the machine, absolutely do NOT, under any circumstances, buy a Dell.
However, if you know your stuff and do not plan on calling Dell, even if something does go wrong, then by all means get the most bang for your buck and customize an Inspiron 8600 to best suit your needs. Or--even better--buy one on eBay!
One final tidbit of advice: do not sign up for Dell's financial services (not even to get the extra 2% discount) unless you like running around in circles, paying extra money, waiting on hold, and talking to lots of Indian guys named "Mike." Maybe they are required to pay tribute to their king, Michael Dell. Dell's phone system is a web of ambiguous menus and countless different phone numbers that all take you to the same menus, and it will probably take you at least three tries to get to the person you want to talk to. What's more, if your payment is due over the weekend or a holiday, and it somehow gets processed by Dell on the following business day (even though you mailed it a week in advance), you're SCREWED.
Although I highly recommend the Inspiron 8600 as one of the greatest laptops designed, I now despise Dell as a company and hope some of these other companies find a way to bite a chunk out of Dell's pie and start offering options at least as good as Dell's without turning evil themselves.
---Update Feb 17, 2005---
Now that I have had the laptop for a while, I've decided to update this.
In the Beginning...
I love my 8600, but I must admit, it's not nearly as reliable as other computers I've had. After playing Rise of Nations a couple of times, my graphics card started overheating and crashing the display. Eventually, it started overheating in Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow, too. I put up with it for a while and just didn't play those games on the laptop.
Another problem I had was that the machine would just turn completely off if I put it in standby mode then carried it somewhere. At first I thought I had done something wrong, then I discovered that it did the same thing every time I put it in standby tilted it. My best guess is that something was loose and the power was cut when the weight of the battery shifted one way or the other. So that's two serious defects, right out of the box!
So Much For Untethered Internet
When Service Pack 2 came out for Windows XP, I waited a little while before installing it on my 8600. After I had installed it on my desktop and ran fine for a couple of weeks, I made a huge mistake and installed SP2 on my laptop. My wireless card completely stopped working. It had no problem seeing networks and connecting to them, but it just would NOT talk! It never acquired an IP address when it was set to DHCP, and when I set a static IP it just acted as though nothing else was on the network (it couldn't ping anything, and nothing else could ping it). Dell released a driver update a few months later but it didn't help.
Ouch!!!
Seven months after I bought my 8600, it started getting slow, particularly when booting. Sometimes it would just freeze when booting out of hibernation mode, and the only way to get it to respond after half an hour was to press the power button to either turn it off or put it back in hibernation. Then the next time it would boot up just fine. Occasionally programs would crash for odd reasons. I figured Windows had just gotten hosed somehow, although I've never had the slow wake-up from hibernation on a desktop machine running WinXP. Eventually I did my periodic full backup and chkdsk, only to find out that the hard drive was failing. :(
It took me another couple of weeks to get all my data backed up sufficiently before taking it to the local university repair shop, which does warranty repairs for Dell and a couple other computer hardware manufacturers. By the time they gave it back to me, my 8600 had a new motherboard, video card, and hard drive. Basically, all the real guts had been replaced. I wish I could say I'm happy with Dell's tech support, but it wasn't Dell that fixed all my laptop problems. I used to work at the repair shop that fixed my laptop, and I still know all the full-time employees and one of the student employees who work there. They had no trouble at all reproducing my problems and they did not hassle me at all. They didn't treat me like an imbecile or a liar or a criminal, unlike all those guys supposedly named "Mike." They fixed all my problems at once and I was only without my laptop for a couple of days.
On the bright side, all the problems I used to have are fixed, with the exception of a periodic high-pitched series of faint, rapid beeps that I hear coming from the CPU area whenever the machine is on.
On the other hand, the fact that my laptop was defective straight out of the box, coupled with the need to replace all the guts after less than a year, doesn't instill much confidence that this feature-packed mid-range laptop will last me two or even one more year before keeling over. Even though I was only physically without my laptop for a couple of days, in reality I was stuck not using it for two or three weeks while I backed it up, got it repaired, and restored my data.
I Love My Port Replicator/Docking Station!
If you have one or two places where you frequently use the laptop at a desk, I highly recommend buying the Advanced Port Replicator (with an additional 90W PA-10 power adapter to power it). This makes it so you can set your laptop down and click it in place, automatically hooking you up to a wired network, scanner, printer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, and any other peripherals you'd normally hook up to a desktop machine. Not only does it save you a lot of hassle, it prevents most of the wiggling, twisting, and other abuse that you would otherwise subject your ports and connectors to.
The port replicator has the following ports: VGA, DVI, parallel, serial, modem, LAN, S-Video, 3x USB (2 on back, one on side), mic, and line-out. I think it also has S-Video-out, Composite Video-out, and Firewire, but I'll need to double-check those.
You can either drive two external monitors using the replicator's VGA and DVI ports, or you can use one external monitor in conjunction with the laptop's built-in display for a little piece of dual-monitor heaven.
Dell charges an insane amount for the port replicator. Originally they charged $200, and in the past year they have dropped the price a couple of times. Now it might be as low as $160, but that's still a lot of money. Instead I recommend buying from a decent seller on eBay. I bought a new port replicator with PA-10 power adapter for $108 on eBay last summer (2004).
I have found that I cannot simply dock, undock, then redock the 8600 on the port replicator without having the laptop crash (blue-screen) or freeze. I need to shutdown or hibernate the laptop, or click the Start Menu and select "Undock Computer" before redocking it. You'd think that after so many years of having docking stations, it would just plain work without requiring the user to perform extra steps. Oh, well...it's not like Apple or the Linux gurus have done any better.
The Verdict...and Then Some
I use my laptop daily for programming, web browsing, office apps, and e-mail. The high-res 15.4" WSXGA+ screen really shines when it comes to these applications, especially if you do any serious programming in Visual Studio, Eclipse, or any other Integrated Development Environment (IDE). Spreadsheets and databases with many columns are no match for the wide screen.
I also use the microphone frequently for voice chatting with friends using Yahoo and TeamSpeak, and for voice conferencing with people at work using Skype. The mic has excellent pick-up ability and good quality, but I'm told that the person on the other end can always hear it when the CPU fan kicks in at full blast. At the office the other day I was conferencing with someone using Skype, and he was able to speak clearly with another person in the room with me who was sitting about 15 feet away--the other person in the room didn't even have to raise his voice louder than normal!
While the speakers aren't fantastic, I have found that they are much louder and much better sounding than most other laptop speakers. The bass sucks, but that's to be expected with no subwoofer or woofer. The highs and mids sound acceptable, even when you crank them almost as loud as they go--which is a good thing, because most laptop speakers can't go very loud without causing serious distortion and sounding awful. I really wish that there was a hardware switch to physically disable the speakers. The mute button only disables the sound in software and doesn't work if you're not logged in yet. Occasionally it's disruptive when I bring my laptop out of hibernation at work in the morning and the music I was playing at home the night before starts playing for everyone in the office.
Despite the hardware problems I have had and the other minor issues I mentioned, I would still recommend the Inspiron 8600 because it is a fast, feature-packed, reasonably-priced laptop with good battery life, good wireless LAN range, and a beautiful wide screen.
Recommended:
Yes
Amount Paid (US$): 1600
Operating System: Windows
Processor: Intel Pentium III
Processor speed: over 1000
Screen Size: Greater than 15 inches
RAM: 256
Internal Storage: CD-RW and DVD
Hard Drive (GB): Over 50
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