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Re: Re: Canada Also Condemns Ecoquest Living Air Classic (Reply to this comment)
by bilisguru
It looks like jerkaris finally fell off the planet...whoa! Prolly a government ban or samthin'..;o)
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Sep 18 '09
7:22 am PDT
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Re: Canada Also Condemns Ecoquest Living Air Classic (Reply to this comment)
by gr8pop
I have been using Ozone generators for 30 years. I have seen them used in "clean rooms" in the aerospace industry for many years. They work ... the Ozone kills pathogens, mould/bacteris. I've seen them used by the hotel/motel industry to "clean" the cigarette smoke smell out of drapery, carpets and upholstery. Again, the Ozone will remove the smoke smell. I've seen Ozone generators used to disinfect surgery rooms (not occupied)... they work!. I've used Ozone generators to disinfect intire workspaces. I've used them to remove the musty smell from old books, old rooms, basements. They work!! I've seen them used to take the dead body smell out of a car. That smell is enough to cause people to choose to junk a car, rather than clean it up. The Ozone generator works to remove THAT smell! You can use an Ozone generator to get the musty smell out of old carpets, leather bags, riding saddles, upholstery, wood drawers, vintage clothing, etc.
You (or your pets) should not spend any extended amounts of time in a room when an Ozone generator is running, because the Ozone is super oxidizing. That is NOT good for your lungs, eyes or mucus membranes. Ozone can also deteriorate rubber, certain foam products and other materials. For what Ozone generators are intended to do ... they work great (if they've got sufficient output). The Alpine Living Air is a good Ozone generator. I've had several of the XL15s ... I don't think they're "commercial" grade, but they work very well. I don't sell Ozone generators, but I use them. They're great!!! Try any Ozone generator for the purposes for which they're intended. Don't buy the scare tactics from the guy who's attempting to bad-rap a totally useful product. Think about this: Folks use Chlorine bleach to disinfect, but if you were to inhale the fumes for a while, that would not be healthy, and might even kill you. Chlorine is used in swimming pools and hot tubs and is safe if used as directed. Salt, vinegar ... many things can be harmful to your health. Use tools and products safely. If I had to rely on any government telling me what was best for me, I'd be in a heap of something that even Ozone couldn't clean up.
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Sep 17 '09
9:58 pm PDT
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SELL ME YOUR OZONE MACHINES CHEAP (Reply to this comment)
by tuber1
GOOD!!! Any one of you that agrees with CIKARIS or is scared now, you can call me and sell me those machines cheap! I'll take those poisonous ozone generators off your hands for ten bucks a piece or just donate them to my company. you will be helping family's and children by donating them to me. I use them to restore homes that were in fires,floods,when some one dies in a home or when a family gets sick from black mold. IM serious!! Call me with your donation. 724-733-0677.
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Jul 06 '09
9:12 pm PDT
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ABOUT... CIKARIS CRAZY? SELF MISGUIDED! (Reply to this comment)
by tuber1
lADYS AND GENTLEMEN STEP RIGHT UP AND ENJOY THE SHOW!! Talk about a wacked out way too long winded totally unorganized and misconstrued (which makes it totally false) scientific data speech!!! Hey lady!! Get a grip! If you drink too much water at one time it can kill you! Do you think we need it?? The sun can kill you if you stand under a magnifying glass,but every living thing needs it!! There are certain vitamins and minerals that can kill you if you have too much,but you need them and without them you can also die. Anything can hurt you in large quantity's and the same can hurt you if you have too little of it!! Commonsence! Ozone is a great thing if you use it right. It has in fact been and still is used in the clean up of bacteria from dead people molting into the floor boards,fires,floods,garbage,animal crap,urine,skunk odors. And EPA approved for at least 30 years!!!! Thats what we use in the restoration industry. There is different ways to use Ozone!!! Strong!! Medium!! and very Mild !! That would be your little lady fart gas odor eliminators such as those alpine ecoquest gadgets!! If its too strong for a small area turn it down!! For real people! Without all the scientific jargon, They work. Just follow the directions!! Don't turn them up to TEN in a closed bathroom sized Health food store!! Thanks. Tuber
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Jul 06 '09
8:59 pm PDT
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Ozone Generators (Reply to this comment)
by techie404
Maybe we should outlaw lightning storms? Seriously, this IS nature's way of cleaning the air.
(Disclaimer: I have no interest in profiting from the manufacture and sale of these devices)
Ozone levels set by all major environmental agencies is usually DOUBLE the amount of ozone produced by an ozone generator sold for consumer uses.
I have experimented with these devices for over 12 years. The hard data indicates there is little more ozone produced by these devices that occurs naturally outdoors.
The most IMPORTANT factor here is that MANY devices produce MORE ozone than any of the household models.
Halogen lights and copiers, to name a few, are generous producers of ozone and if the 'standards' were correct in terms of safe exposure, everyone who works around halogen lights and copiers would have already become deceased.
I sent photos of petrie dish samples to the CDC and to the WHO several years ago along with my research data. (I was working with a corona discharge unit in a totally unrelated field when I accidentally made these discoveries)
Speaking with a Doctor pal last month he stated, "The reason you got no response is because there isnt any money in it!"
Bingo! Big medicine cringes at the thought of reducing communicable diseases by 30% overnight.
In the worst case scenario, you operate these devices, much, much larger ones than are available today, at night in retail establishments. You also operate them at night in schools, nurseries and universities. And the placement of these devices in public restrooms would create such little exposure to users of the facility, it would be totally insignificant relative to the OSHA 10 ppm over an eight hour period.
The business of medicines and those who treat disease is no different from any other. Price is dictated by supply and demand. If you drop the communicable disease rates by 30%, you have huge drug manufacturers going broke and doctors standing on street corners with sandwich boards which would read, "Medical Services for Food".
This is huge when related to our national health costs and the threat of depleting the acquired resources to fund those agencies.
WE THE PEOPLE deserve more than unproven, untested 'subjective opinions' from the experts.
Never have I found any tests on humans, not to mention lab rats to PROVE any of the rhetoric dispensed by the so-called experts who pretend to be experts in the field of everything!
Its just not there.
The only explanation is politics and big medicine. They just dont want to cure anything or else they are out of business.
Make your own decisions about these products, but know that your copier produces more than the limits of ozone intake as formulated by these bureaucracies.
And that folks, is the absolute truth!
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Apr 28 '09
8:31 pm PDT
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positive, mostly (Reply to this comment)
by revstone
I used the XL15 air purifier in my home for more than 15 years. The only problem I had was the unit broke down once in a while,e.g. fan motor, needing ozone plate, etc. The things you would expect. How well did it work. My wife would put the two dogs into our new 1991 Honda back seat and take them to the park here in Winter Park FL. The dogs would play the water get filthy and then she would put them in the car and bring them home... daily. The car smelled awful, I refused to drive it. After buying the purifier I decided to give it the acid test. I put it in the car and turned on the engine to run the AC and after an hour turn the engine off and left the purifier running in the car over night. In the morning the car had no odor at all. I stopped her from using it in that manner and the odor never returned.
Yes, occasionally people would come over and in a group of maybe a dozen or so people one or two would complain about their sinuses itching and swollen slightly. As a health practitioner I could not help but notice these people also had consistent complaints about allergies and refused to take any measures to improve their condition.
After about an hour they would stop complaining and their sinuses would clear up some.
The heavy (O3 as opposed to O2) oxygen molecule: Anyone who doesn't believe this works should try putting an picture printed on a Hewlett Packard (vivera ink meant to last 80 years) on the fridge with the purifier on top of it. I 6 weeks you'll see a marked difference in the tonal quality of the pic and after 6 months it may even be near white like the day before you printed the image.
The heavy oxygen molecule detaches the extra component and that fixes to the ink particulate and they fall on the floor where you clean it up... just like it's supposed to.
Ozone in small enough quantities is beneficial. it's all a matter of intelligent use of the device. Just like driving a car.
When our XL15 finally bit the dust permanently we bought a Lightening Air. It works even better and cost $300.00 less.
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Oct 08 '08
2:00 pm PDT
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Thanks so much (Reply to this comment)
by nashvillekid
To Cikaris,
Thanks for taking the time to post your lengthy review of the "Living Air" products. About 5 years ago, a coworker (who had 2 units in his home and was a rep) was telling me about them. I borrowed one unit over a weekend to try it out as I've had a long history of seasonal allergies. I didn't like the smell of the ozone and because the price was high to purchase one, I didn't. A few days ago, (June '08) I saw a unit (model xl) at a yard sale and it caught my eye. It was very clean and I plugged it in finding it worked fine. The sellers said they had upgraded to a larger unit and didn't need it. They wanted 3 dollars for it. Well, that's an offer I couldn't turn down. They also said they were the third owners. Hmmm ... that caused a bit of curiosity/concern. I read your review and decided not to use my bargain "ozone machine."
Just felt strongly to let you know and to offer my thoughts to others. BTW, a few years after I tested my coworker's unit, his health began going downhill. I don't know the reasons exactly, however it does make me wonder.
Brian
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Jun 09 '08
7:13 am PDT
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Canada Also Condemns Ecoquest Living Air Classic (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
In addition to California, the Canadian government has condemned the Ecoquest/Living Air Classic.
The Canadian Standards Association (CSA) no longer approves of the use of ozone generators in homes.
Source: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/1999/1999_62_e.html
FAQs regarding Canada's condemnation of ozone generating devices like those of Ecoquest can be read at
Source: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/house-domes/electron/cleaners-air-purificateurs_e.html
Canada's updated list (June 2006) of condemned ozone generators which includes the Ecoquest device can be read at
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/1999/1999_62bk_e.html
Existing owners would do well to heed the advice of Health Canada: "If you have an ozone generator in your home, stop using it."
Source: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/pubs/cons/ozone_e.html
Also, California's Air Resources Board is empowered by law (Assembly Bill 2276) to ban fraudulent ozone generating devices such as the Ecoquest/Living Air Classic, on or before December 2008.
No wonder so many Ecoquest salesmen, like the ones below, are getting so upset. Thanks to this website more and more people are finding out that Ecoquest's ozone generating 'air purifiers' are worthless and potentially dangerous. And now the government of the largest state in the Union is moving against them.
Since time is running out on the fraudulent Ecoquest Living Air Classic, existing owners would be well advised to get rid of them before the ban takes effect.
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Feb 20 '07
9:51 am PST
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Re: Re: Re: Beware of EcoQuest Salesmen (Reply to this comment)
by bilisguru
OK guys, on further thought, let us attempt to put some common sense plausibility into this thread jerkaris started here.
His opinion, Ozone kills.
It's bad for you and if you continue to place yourself in it's harmful path, you'll die.
Non the fact that millions of these out dated EcoQuest XL-15 air purifiers are in existence and used daily in millions of US homes with no problems attributed to them save a few instances where manufacturers directions were not followed to the letter.
They simply do what they are advertised to do.
I have one, for my wife's asthma, to clean up the air of asthma triggers in our home. It works and we wouldn't be without it. That is a fact, plain and simple.
It works for us, that is our opinion. We use this device as instructed in the factory users manual and have had absolutely "0" problems since we bought it in 1997.
That is 10 years of trouble free use. Period.
That is a simple fact, not an opinion.
If you look for similar instances of this same fact, you will find literally millions of them.
That is a fact, not an opinion.
If we, as users of computers who are computer literate attested by the fact that we are reading this thread, search in say the MOST popular search engine on this planet (Google) for "Ozone Deaths"; we will find:
http://www.empoweredhospital.com/story_336.html
OZONE DEATH STUDY
Have you ever wondered exactly what the significance of ozone alert days are?
Yale University researchers have uncovered a startling fact i.e. that more people will die on ozone alert days because of "pollutants" (emphasis quote marks mine).
You will also find in this same "Yale University" study that:
The fact is there’s actually good ozone and bad ozone. Ozone alerts naturally aim to warn against detrimental ozone. The good ozone is the ozone that’s way up in the atmosphere that protects us against the harmful rays of the sun. The bad ozone is down here, near the ground.
Hummmmm, good ozone and bad ozone.
Now then, I wonder just which ozone this dreaded XL-15 machine produces?
Would it be the one that is the good ozone that smells like a thunderstorm, as advertised, or the one that smells like quote:"predominantly the result of vehicle emissions. The ozone comes from hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides in the emissions. The more vehicles there are on the road and the more miles traveled directly correlates to the levels of ozone in the environment".
I think we can all attribute an opinion to this statement in the fact that good ozone doesn't smell like a motor vehicles exhaust pipe.
So, we have a "Yale University" study that doesn't name one instance of a direct good "Ozone" caused death in the USA anywhere at anytime.
I find this plausible, don't you?
Good ozone, the one produced by electricity as an electrical thunderstorm produces, protects us:
Quote:
"The good ozone is the ozone that’s way up in the atmosphere that protects us against the harmful rays of the sun. The bad ozone is down here, near the ground. And the latest study shows ground level ozone is associated with an increased short term death rate."
Let's see, The bad ozone is down here, near the ground. Produced by vehicle emissions.
So says the "Yale University" study.
That's strange, not one mention of the dreaded EcoQuest XL-15 producing this "bad" ozone.
How could it? Since it in fact smells like natures own thunderstorm and is produced by high voltage electricity! Not vehicle emissions!
So, therefore, I believe we have it all explained by "Yale University" so that the average laymen/women can understand this very complicated issue.
Along this same avenue, we find upon further study on "Ozone Deaths" searched that not one instance is there a death directly attributed to good ozone in the history of Google or mankind for that matter.
How could there be?
It is God given and has been on this planet since time itself began.
With that, I will end my "opinion" of this thread.
May God Bless You!
BilisGuru, God Given in it's entirety.
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Feb 18 '07
8:42 am PST
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Re: Re: Beware of EcoQuest Salesmen (Reply to this comment)
by bilisguru
Ditto Bro, this jerkaris' material is sooooo dated, bias & irrelevant for the most part since it deals with instances of "Not Reading and following" manufacturers instructions. This guy is so far out there, planet Pluto is closer.
Opinions for EcoTech seem to be catching up to him while exposing his juvenile attitude in the process. It seems no one else can have a positive opinion about EcoTech as long as jerkasris remains in this thread.
He deserves our pity pot, right?
Poor baby.....
BilisGuru
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Feb 18 '07
6:55 am PST
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Re: Beware of EcoQuest Salesmen (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
We shall see what the homeland security reports say next year. Why does the pentagon use our technology, and NASA...you are truly far smarter then them, right slickaris?
The KSU testing showed on surfaces however the University of Cincinatti just proved it kills the crap in the air as well. Cikaris, you are the typical filter salesman who uses dated material out of context. That CA report that would "ban" our products, never actually did and since the U of C study shows we maintain a lower level of ozone than the EPA says is safe it is all good. As for the buddy, if you weren't the retard that you are you would have read a little further and found that the lithium bateries were blowing up in the quickcharger, but that is what happens when you try to recharge non rechargable bateries...it was paople, not product that caused the problem.
This title should say Beware of the filter salesman and the lazy ex Ecoquest dealer who was so pathetic he couldn't sell his units and then blamed the company. I would say it was the dealer above thems fault because this business isn't for lazy people!
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Feb 17 '07
3:04 pm PST
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Living Air Classic Condemned by California (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
Following the 1997 warning from the California Department of Health Services
(http://www.applications.dhs.ca.gov/pressreleases/store/pressreleases/27-97.html)
and the 2005 statement from the California Air Resources Board which warned of the danger from popular "air purifying" machines such as those of Ecoquest International
(http://www.airshare.info/index.cfm/news.1164.html),
the CARB has specifically singled out the Alpine/Ecoquest 'Living Air Classic' for condemnation.
Their latest withering attack against Ecoquest's ozone generating 'air purifiers' (and those of other unscrupulous manufacturers) is
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/ozone_gen_fact_sheet-a.pdf
Their "List of Hazardous Ozone Generators Sold as Air Purifiers" includes:
the Ecoquest 'Fresh Air', 'Living Air Classic', 'Breeze', 'Flair', and 'Fresh Air to Go'
Following the approval and signing of California Assembly Bill 2276, which will limit the sale of ozone emitting devices in the state of California, the CARB will have the power to ban the sale of Ecoquest's ozone generating 'air purifiers' such as the 'Living Air Classic.'
Source: http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/aircleaners/aircleaners.htm
See also http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070125-pejc-purifiers.1ab9cf77.html
At long last, time is finally running out on Ecoquest's 'Living Air Classic' and their other fraudulent, worthless, and potentially dangerous 'air purifiers.'
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Jan 28 '07
3:44 pm PST
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Beware of EcoQuest Salesmen (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
Putting aside the usual childish language from another Ecoquest salesman in response to reasonable criticism of the Living Air Classic – e.g., ‘idiots’, ‘dips#t’ – the facts speak for themselves.
This review is for the Living Air Classic and all the criticism leveled against that device is well-documented and well supported as indicated by the numerous links which are provided in the review.
Firstly, the salesman in question admits more than he realizes.
He admits that the Living Air Classic can make you sick which is consistent with the many complaints made by many of its users.
For a device which supposedly 'cleans' the air to make you sick is quite an admission.
Secondly, the Living Air Classic device does not use radiant catalytic ionization so relying on RCI in reference to the Living Air Classic is beside the point.
Putting aside the usual numerous grammatical and spelling mistakes, the pro-ozone babble has been repeated before and repeatedly refuted by numerous independent and reputable scientific sources.
Moreover, Ecoquest has never been able to prove that breathing ozone is good for you and the salesman has already admitted that it can actually make you sick.
Once those two irrefutable facts are grasped by prospective buyers then the entire Ecoquest ozone generating Living Air Classic scam begins to unravel.
Regarding the obvious press release from Ecoquest, which is reprinted by the salesman in question, he would have been better off reading it before cutting and pasting it here.
Again, without belaboring the point, the Living Air Classic device does not utilize RCI.
The press release says that “Marsden’s KSU team worked with EcoQuest International, a Greeneville, Tenn.-based company, to determine the potential use of its ionization generator for food safety in processing plants.”
Is it really necessary to point out that people don’t live in food processing plants?
“The researchers used stainless steel SURFACES to test the system’s effectiveness in removing contaminating bacteria.” No claim is made with regard to reducing airborne bacteria.
“Ozone already has a good track record as a disinfectant. The FDA in 2001 approved its use as a sanitizer for food contact surfaces and for direct application to food products. It is also used extensively for purification of bottled and municipal water.”
Those facts have already been indicated in the review but are beside the point because they do not address the use of ozone in residential settings for the purpose of ‘purifying’ indoor air.
It is nice to know that the meat and poultry industry is trying to make safe food products but that is also beside the point of a review for the Living Air Classic.
But the following is also admitted: “Marsden noted that the five years since government approval of the process is not a long time to determine how well applications are going to work, particularly in the meat and poultry industry.”
In other words, more time is needed to determine how well the process will work in the meat and poultry industry.
“The ionization system may be suited for related uses PENDING FURTHER RESEARCH” [Emphasis added].
This sentence speaks for itself.
“The recent research results showed that ionization was effective in reducing levels of Staphylococcus auerus, leading researchers to consider the implications for hospitals and nursing homes.”
Good to hear that consideration is being given to the implications but ‘consider[ing] the implications” is not proof of anything and also beside the point.
“The ionization effect…MIGHT have some application as well in hospitals, nursing homes and the food industry.”
Yes, it might, and we can all hope that it does, but so what?
Finally, just to set the record straight, after the court injunction was issued against them by Judge Inman on January 12, 2000, Ecoquest did indeed have an opportunity to “to prove everything was true before it could be said” but they did NOT which is why:
a) on April 11, 2000 the FTC and U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion asking a federal court to hold Alpine and EcoQuest in civil contempt
b) on April 5, 2001 Alpine Industries was fined 1.49 million dollars by Judge Inman for "continuing failure to obey" the 1995 order against making unsubstantiated claims.
c) a per curiam opinion was issued by the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit on September 26th 2003 affirming the district court’s decision for final judgment AGAINST the defendants
Ecoquest is still forbidden from making unsubstantiated claims for their 'air purifiers' which is why they are careful not to.
Ecoquest knows perfectly well that if they were to resume making unsubstantiated claims they would be hauled back into court and lose again.
However their salesmen continue to make demonstrably false and unsubstantiated claims.
The bottom line for persons trying to decide whether or not to purchase the Living Air Classic is that it is a highly questionable device of dubious value which is potentially harmful.
Since there is no competent and reliable scientific evidence to support the unsubstantiated claims made by salesmen for the Living Air Classic ozone generating device then prospective buyers should pay heed.
Caveat emptor - Let the buyer beware – was good advice 2,000 years ago. And it still is.
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Jan 28 '07
11:07 am PST
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Ecoquest Buddy UNSAFE (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
Admitted Ecoquest salesman 'rizingfire' claims for the Ecoquest 'Buddy' device that:
"The buddy was tested by 12 different organizations and i thought it was stupid but it was proven to work and got a good review even from dateline which never has anything nice to say about anyone. That product has been tested more than most."
Aside from the typical incoherent and false Ecoquest salesman babble, one can hardly fail to point out the irony of the following.
On the very same day (December 16, 2006) that he made the claim that the 'Buddy' device was thoroughly tested the Ecoquest corporation issued the following warning:
"EcoQuest Fresh Air Buddy Unsafe To Use"
"EcoQuest International is asking it’s customers and dealers not to use or sell the Fresh Air Buddy until further notice due to an incident on a Continental Airlines flight this past Friday.
"Approximately 1 hour after the flight left Houston the personal air purifier from EcoQuest caught fire and caused several seat cushions to catch fire as well. The flight attendants were able to extinguish the fire immediately but six people had to be taken to a Colorado Springs hospital including the man wearing the unit.
"Just a few days ago EcoQuest deemed the Fresh Air Buddy safe after there were several other incedents of reported explosion hazards with the air purifier and unrechargable batteries.
"Again, all Fresh Air Buddy sales have been suspended until further notice. If you have one of these units please do not use it!"
Source: http://www.ecoquestblog.com/2006/12/16/ecoquest-fresh-air-buddy-unsafe-to-use/
The fact that the "product [that] has been tested more than most" has a tendency to explode and start fires speaks volumes about the reliability and thoroughness of Ecoquest's alleged 'product tests.'
But then unreliable "testing" by Ecoquest is nothing new since it is a tradition they have beginning with the time when they were called the Alpine corporation.
According to Mr. John Gyorki of Health and Energy Co, a recognized testing and consulting firm, who examined Alpine/Ecoquest's 'air purifying' devices:
"Bill Converse, president of Alpine Industries in Eveleth, Minnesota...said Alpine has not conducted any scientific research to gauge the effectiveness of its [ozone] generators and has no plans to do research in the near future, because consumer use under real-world environmental conditions is the best test for ozone generators."
Converse also stated that "consumer use…is the best test" for his devices thus making his customers, in effect, guinea pigs for his products.
Thus Converse and Alpine established the tradition (that Ecoquest followed) of selling products which have not been properly or fully tested.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
It would be funny, if it were not so infuriating.
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Jan 28 '07
10:54 am PST
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Re: Beware of EcoQuest (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
I have the KSU tests and results...email me if you want them, what you all fail to see is that after the court injunction they had to prove everything was true before it could be said
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Dec 16 '06
5:52 pm PST
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Re: The real questions (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
The point is that all those things cause the Earth to create ozone to try to oxidiose polution. Ozone is great in small doses and when used right it is the best in natural purification. Combined with RCI and there is nothing better. I have a fresh air and I love it. I had natural gas pumped into my house cuz of a heater malfunction and the unit destroyed the gas so fast that I couldn't smell it but it went out when I turned up the heat and it was very effective. My mother in law has braeathiung problems and I let her borrow it and she sanitized her house and will swear up and down she could breath better when the unit was running and since ozone is activated oxygen you are left with pure oxygen when the 3rd oxygen molecule breaks off and clings to something else oxidising it
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Dec 16 '06
5:47 pm PST
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Re: California EPA: Danger from Popular "Air Purifying" Machines (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
KSU, EcoQuest Team to Advance Ionization for Food Safety
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Ionization appears to be a better way than ozone to fight food-borne pathogens, Kansas State University researchers say.
>MANHATTAN, Kan. – Ozone was good, but adding ionization appears to be better when it comes to getting rid of foodborne pathogens.
And what is ionization? Jim Marsden of a Food Safety Consortium research team at Kansas State University likens a new process using ionization to a “miniature sun” of ultraviolet energy interacting with oxygen and drawing particles out of the air, thus producing an antimicrobial effect.
“When Mount St. Helens went off, you had all these particles floating around,” Marsden said. “The reason they’re not still floating around is that ionization from the sun caused them to fall out of the air.”
Marsden’s KSU team worked with EcoQuest International, a Greeneville, Tenn.-based company, to determine the potential use of its ionization generator for food safety in processing plants. The researchers wanted to find out its effectiveness in reducing several pathogens including E. coli, Listeria monocytogenes and Staphylococcus auerus.
With EcoQuest phasing out its straight ozone generation system and shifting to ionization, it settled on a more advanced system that was originally developed by NASA to decontaminating spacecrafts during long missions, Marsden explained. The new technology for food safety goes beyond being merely ozone based. Its components consist of an antimicrobial part that uses oxidated gases such as peroxide and ozone and the ionized part.
“Here we’re talking about oxidated gases that basically fill the room with a somewhat aggressive antimicrobial system – extremely safe and breathable,” Marsden said. “The levels of ozone are very low in terms of OSHA and FDA standards.”
The researchers used stainless steel surfaces to test the system’s effectiveness in removing contaminating bacteria. The ionization system removed more microbial populations than ozone at shorter exposure times.
Ozone already has a good track record as a disinfectant. The FDA in 2001 approved its use as a sanitizer for food contact surfaces and for direct application to food products. It is also used extensively for purification of bottled and municipal water.
“In the meat and poultry industry there are some applications for ozone where products are being treated with aqueous ozone prior to being sliced,” Marsden said. “They’re looking at ozone for decontamination of poultry chillers and for direct decontamination of birds as they go down the processing line.”
Marsden noted that the five years since government approval of the process is not a long time to determine how well applications are going to work, particularly in the meat and poultry industry.
The ionization system may be suited for related uses pending further research. KSU and EcoQuest personnel will examine its effectiveness in inactivating avian influenza environmentally. They may also investigate how the system could control Listeria in ready-to-eat meat processing environments.
The recent research results showed that ionization was effective in reducing levels of Staphylococcus auerus, leading researchers to consider the implications for hospitals and nursing homes.
“The ionization effect is that it eliminated odors,” Marsden explained. “For odors to be present they have to be aeromatic, so if you take it out in particle form and inactivate further with peroxide and ozone, it might have some application as well in hospitals, nursing homes and the food industry.”
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Dec 16 '06
5:42 pm PST
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Re: I suspected as much... (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
Too bad a HEPA filter doesnt scrub much, read the box. 3 microns or larger, submicron particles make you sick and mycotoxins are a gas and RCI effectively destroys it. The RCI process teamed up with the ionizers cause the particles to clump together and gravity pulls them out of the air
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Dec 16 '06
5:39 pm PST
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Re: Re: Ecoquest would say......... (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
The buddy was tested by 12 different organizations and i thought it was stupid but it was proven to work and got a good review even from dateline which never has anything nice to say about anyone. That product has been tested more than most. The proof is when you fluff baby powder over it and it creates an orb...then say it doesn't work./ I love it when idiots talk about technology that they know nothing about!
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Dec 16 '06
5:34 pm PST
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READ THIS (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
What this dips#it failed to mention is when the suit was brought against alpine air (was bough by ecoquest) They had to prove that everything the advertise now is true before they could say it again so in the face of a judge and jury they had thousands of sworn affidavits proving what the living air could do. So though some of what this chump said was true at the time, he used the info out of context and everything Ecoquest says about their machines has been proven true six way to sunday, that is why there is no court restriction anymore and they are ratyed the most effective, purifyer and the number one home based business opportunity in the world/ I hate people who Lie about good people!
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Dec 16 '06
5:30 pm PST
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Re: Ecoquest would say......... (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
I would just like to say that the poster that said there is no proof that Ecoquest works is full of crap! Both the University of Cincinnatti and Kansas state University have tested the Units and with amazing results. It dropped the particles out of the air so fast they had to create another test to measure it. I bet he sells another brand. There has never been another product with a higher satisfaction rate in the entire world. I have all the documentation on the testing if any of you are interested. The technology was developed by NASA to grow plants on the space station and Photo catalytic Oxidation which Ecoquest jacked up to make Radiant Catalytic Ionization has been proven to kill 99.7% of all bacteri, viruses, and fungus in a 3000 sq ft area. Since everyone knows it all I will tell you how it works. It does have ozone but if you drink Aquafina you would like to know the purify that with ozone too, I know, I used to work for CPF(Pepsi's bottling company) The unit has a UVX bulb that is UVA,UVB,and UVC light wrapped in a honeycomb matrix that has silver, copper, titanium dioxide, and rhodium. When the light hits the matrix it creates hydoxy radicals, super oxides, oxidisers, peroxides, hydroperoxides...essentially a purifying plasma. It replicates how nature purifies itself. There is no unit in the world that is even as remotely effective. It has been proven effective and was good enough to be certified by the space foundation. It killed stachybotrys, e.coli, strep, salmonella and a host of other things in 24 hrs on surfaces. It eliminated over 199,000 avain flu cells in 12 hours in a test by Kansas state University. Before you listen to these idiots call Kansas State University and speak with the doctor in charge of testing. The Chinese CDC proved the technology is so effective it can destroy biological weapons and is in every govt building in China, the pentagon used it to clean up after 9-11...and like the educated poster above said, professionals who know the technology works use it to clean up crime scenes every day. There is no other effective and safe technology that can compete, and yes I am an Ecoquest Rep
Misinformation is spread by idiots who think they know stuff and write articles...we were featured in Healthir you magazine for a superior and safe, effective way to create fresh air the way nature does Oct 06. Email me at NHMoldInspector@aol.com if you want solid info
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Dec 16 '06
5:22 pm PST
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Misuse (Reply to this comment)
by rizingfire
Actually, the living air doesn't produce enough ozone to make you sick unless it is on sanitize and even then in high levels it can only cause irritation and nausua. The new ecoquest units rely on radiant catalytic ionization which has been proven to be the only effective purification technology other than straight ozone, but is 40% faster. If you could smell the ozone and it didn't smell fresh it was because you had the unit up to high. Out of 5 million plus units sold it has a 98% satisfaction rate which is far higher than any other product on the market. Ozone is the earths natural purifyewr and the only reason why it is an irriatant is because the earth produces it to oxidise polution. Ozone in the right useage is far more effective than any filter because it kills bacteria, viruses and fungus and destroys gas. Water can kill you if you drink too much. Now the system that Ecoquest uses can be found on the space station, is the only technology certified by the space foundation and is the most effective purifyer in the world and even if you had locked yourself in the closet with it on sanitize it couldn't do any more than cause irritation. So I doubt the unit was making you sick, it was probably your building and since the ozone sanitized it the problem was gone. It is also a proven fact that when a unit like th eliving air cleans the air too fast it causes you to detyox and go into withdrawls from the toxins in the air , your body was craving polution. Chances are the dealer had it turned up higher than it should have been, you want to start way lower than the sq footage or else that can happen. As for the clean air delivery rate, it doesn't deliver clean air, it delivers things that clean the air, so that wouldn't even apply. There is no better unit than the new fresh air and since it killed over 199,000 avian flu cells in 12 hrs the govt is testing it now, it is even in the next gen house of the future. I am sorry you had a bad experience but your information is innaccurate and alpine/now Ecoquest is the best air purification company in the world. They were recently featured in healthier you magazine for being the best units out there.
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Dec 16 '06
5:07 pm PST
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Extremely helpful opinion/rating (Reply to this comment)
by mezzobuff
I was doing some research on this unit because my roommate had brought it in to "clean up" the air in my basement (a hand-me-down from her aunt). I was alarmed because it was noisy and thought that it might use a lot of energy to run... this rating was the last of a LOT of writings on these machines, all negative (unless you count anecdotal evidence or promotional literature--- I don't). Thanks for the very thorough research and I am going to try to get her aunt to take this thing back!!!
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Dec 11 '06
8:45 am PST
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Re: Wrong place for comment (Reply to this comment)
by dolphinwks
It was my understanding the only difference between the two was that the classic was for a bigger house.
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May 27 '06
5:48 pm PDT
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Wrong place for comment (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
This review is for the Living Air Classic NOT the Flair. There is a separate section for comment on the Flair at http://www.epinions.com/pr-Ecoquest_Flair_Air_Purifier.
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May 12 '06
8:23 pm PDT
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More confused than ever! (Reply to this comment)
by dolphinwks
Right off the bat I'll say I have a Living Air Flair, have had it for almost four years. I'm a stay at home mom who doesn't have time to sell anything let alone Living Air products. I'm always checking reviews & info on products I already own just to keep informed.
Well, looking at various internet sites, I can say I am now so informed that I don't know what to think!
Here's my situation. I have had allergies, sinus problems & asthma all my life. (44 years). My sister-in-law is so allergic to cats that just coming to my house & others with indoor cats for even a very short time has sent her to the hospital with a severe asthma attack. Since having the Flair, I no longer have sinus problems, am off all my meds, only have allergy problems or use my inhalers when I'm at other peoples houses, (I suspect mold), and my sister-in-law can actually stay in my house for 2-3 hours whereas before it was 30 minutes tops. I also noticed immediately after getting the Flair that my vacuum filled up with dust very quickly & had to be dumped after each cleaning. Sweeping my kitchen & bathrooms also showed more dust than before. Before having the Flair I would go several cleanings without dumping the waste. (And I thought my house was soooooo clean!) I read the comments about stuff clinging to the walls as well as falling to the ground, but I don't see that as a negative. I would rather have it on my walls where I can clean it, on my floor where I can vacuum it, than floating around my air space. My mother-in-law also got a Living Air because of my father-in-laws breathing problems, which have cleared up. But she doesn't like that her floors look dirtier now, says she'd rather have it floating around than see it on her nice hardwood floors! Hey, the things aren't magic, the dirt has to go somewhere, & the units do what they say they do.
I do use the unit correctly, as instructed: I have it on a low setting normally, turn it up when gone all day; it is set upstairs. (The first day I got it I thought more was better, had the unit cranked at max, put it in my bedroom with the door closed and yes, did get a sore throat & headache, but then read the directions, duh, and never had a problem again).
I had used hepa units previously, & have always had a hoity-toity filter in my ac/furnace. It wasn't until I got the Flair that things changed. I guess it could be coincidental, anecdotal or even a placebo effect as suggested. That sounds like a lot of planets aligning at just the right time.
So, I don't know what to say or think. It seems to be working for me.
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May 10 '06
9:49 am PDT
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Typical lies (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
The fraud, quackery, and sheer dishonesty of Ecoquest and its salesmen never ceases to amaze.
Typical are such lies as “If you want a powerful machine that will kill germs in the air then you want an ozone generating maching like ecoquest living air” and “If mold and germs are the concern then the only thing that will work is an ozone generating machine.”
In point of fact every single nonpartisan scientific and federal and state agency that has examined these claims has systematically and repeatedly refuted them.
The bottom line is that any “air cleaner” or “air purifier” that deliberately produces ozone is potentially dangerous and a complete fraud.
This is why state and federal health agencies have repeatedly condemned the sale and use of these devices for residential air cleaning.
Specifically, regarding the outright lies of member ‘tparty2’ none other than the EPA has pointed out that a low concentrations ozone is not capable of killing mold or germs. Only at concentrations that are dangerously high and toxic to human life it is it capable of doing so.
Therefore, if the Ecoquest machines produce low levels of ozone that are below the safe regulatory limits then they are completely useless and worthless in killing mold and germs which is why they are forbidden by court order to make these false claims.
Evidently, their salesmen though continue to make these legal forbidden false claims. However it they continue to do so then they will only invite further legal action on top of the current class action law suit against Ecoquest.
The only thing that really matters is that if people who want to purchase an air cleaning device should only buy a proven, tested, and certified device made by a reputable manufacturer such as those listed by the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers (AHAM).
Their webpages make essential reading:
www.aham.org
www.aham.org/consumer
http://cadr.org/consumer/faq.html
www.cadr.org/consumer/air_cleaners.html
P.S. It is also no accident that none of the technologies accepted by the AHAM for cleaning the air includes ozone. Nor will you find Ecoquest among their list of approved manufacturers of certified air cleaning machines.
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Mar 18 '06
9:22 am PST
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Re: Thank you for your effort. (Reply to this comment)
by tparty2
Hello I saw your post and I wanted to comment. If mold and germs are the concern then the only thing that will work is an ozone generating machine. That is why the professionals use ozone generating machines to clean up a crime scene. These ozone machines are getting a bad rap because people don't use them as they were intended to be used. Most of them are intended for a house 2,500 - 3,000 sq/ft.
Placement is also important. It should be put up high on top of a bookcase. It also should not run 24/7. Hepa filter machines are for dust and ozone generating machines are for mold and germs.
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Feb 03 '06
10:34 am PST
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Ozone is what is used in crime scene clean up. (Reply to this comment)
by tparty2
This guy may sound like he knows what he is talking about, but he doesn't. Ozone generators are used by professionals in crime scene clean up. They are used because they work. If you want a powerful machine that will kill germs in the air then you want an ozone generating maching like ecoquest living air. If you just want something to filter the air then get something with a hepa filter. All products put warnings on them to let people know if not used properly it can be dangerous. The fault is in the person not in the product. The only reason a person would be feeling sick is because they are not using the product properly. The proper usage will depend on the size of your house. I have been using this product for 4 years and I feel great.
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Feb 03 '06
10:06 am PST
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Re: Ecoquest would say......... (Reply to this comment)
by cikaris
Putting aside the fact that this literature provided by member 'carabby' has nothing to do with the device in question (the Living Air Classic), one can't help but notice what the salesman readily admits: "our studies...do not yet constitute reliable scientific substantiation."
In other words, all the studies that are referred to by him, he admits, don't constitute reliable scientific substantiation.
All the talk of “studies” all sounds plausible until you hit the stuff about the Fresh Air Buddy:
“Selling and recruiting with the Buddy is the easiest, most effective way to find new prospects. Everywhere you go people will ask you ‘what is that?’ Simply letting them know your little Buddy is a personal air purifier that is an electronic shield will get you plenty of appointments!”
“Selling and recruiting”? Hello! Wake up! The guy is letting you know what he is really all about - “Getting plenty of appointments” to convince suckers, er, “prospects,” into buying the worthless Fresh Air Buddy with its ‘electronic shield’ and the rest of Ecoquest's overpriced and dubious products.
And by the way, what is an "electronic shield”? Answer: Nothing and everything. Nothing because it doesn't exist. Everything because it sounds impressive.
What else can one say in response except "Beam me up, Scotty!"
Who thinks up this nonsense? A salesman. Only a salesman could come up with this highly scented garbage.
More to the point, this is obviously an in-house sales piece meant only to be read by salesman and not the general public.
This damning piece of Ecoquest sales literature proves that they rely on the fact that a sucker is born every minute.
What an indictment.
Once again the mask of Ecoquest is ripped away only to reveal the ugly truth underneath.
So thank you for providing this piece of in-house sales literature to us to read for ourselves.
The more people know the truth about Ecoquest and its products and practices, the better.
Lastly, if you are really looking to buy an air cleaner why not buy one that is reliable and proven to work manufactured by a reputable company instead?
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Jan 06 '06
9:12 pm PST
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